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    #121
    03-03-2015, 04:01 PM
    (03-03-2015, 12:57 PM)Gemini Wolf Wrote: Are you saying my tetanus shot I got about a year ago will shorten my life? I'm fine with that if it will protect me against tetanus.

    No, wolfie.  Every person is different and every vaccine is different.  Many kids develop autism - some don't.  Many factors come in to play.  What we know is that most vaccines contain poisons and God-knows-what.  Big Pharma does not give a flying f*** about you or anyone else.  They pack their medicines with almost anything they think will work - and if you're like me, you are convinced they intentionally use things which kill us slowly as part of a larger agenda to cull the population and/or make us more malleable.  Already there are laws which protect Big Pharma from lawsuits due to injury and death.  The government decides if Pharma is guilty or not - if found guilty, the taxpayers pay for the damages.  Sweet deal, eh?

    The tetanus jab seems to be one of the more effective ones and perhaps less harmful also.  I don't know, I haven't seen that research.  

    This whole issue of vaccines is a thorny one and not so simple to navigate.  But it's a good lesson for everyone - doing some simple research to reach your own conclusion; to stop believing everything your doctor tells you because he is allegedly an expert authority, and using your God-given intelligence to decide for yourself if a certain medication is warranted.  One more thing: the push for mandating vaccination for schools and health workers is part of the greater agenda of breaking up the nuclear family and have the State raise children, with elimination of parental rights.  This is pure collectivist communism, folks.  The controllers want a communist-style dictatorship which worked so well with Stalin and Mao. 

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    #122
    03-03-2015, 11:33 PM
    (02-28-2015, 02:08 PM)Nicholas Wrote: Science (the study of 3rd density reality) is negotiable. Viruses are constantly mutating. So can we.

    http://www.collective-evolution.com/2015...heir-kids/

    Good article.  Goes a long way in justifying the refusal of vaccinations.  So many are refusing nowadays that Big Pharma is pressuring the US gov't to mandate vacs for all school children.  Forced medication is becoming a reality...I see more and more articles about CPS taking children from parents who refuse vaccinations, chemotherapy, surgery, or even wish to get a second opinion.  

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    03-03-2015, 11:59 PM
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    All Texans To Be Tracked Like Dogs Under Ominous Big Brother Vaccine Database Legislation


    NaturalNews) The National Vaccine Information Center has issued an alert for Texans to help stop forced vaccination and government coercion in their home state. A total of nine bills are currently pending in the Texas state legislature that threaten medical choice and fundamental human rights.


    These laws are the extension of the current wave of vaccine hysteria sweeping America thanks to an aggressive new push toward medical fascism by the mainstream media.

    These bills blatantly violate the American Medical Association's published Code of Ethics which require informed consent for all medical interventions. But medical extremism in America today is not bound by anything resembling medical ethics, and if these Texas lawmakers get their way, every person living in Texas will be tracked like dogs with a government-run vaccine status database that will almost certainly be used to conduct house-to-house SWAT raids and arrests of those who refuse to be vaccinated.

    From the National Vaccine Information Center:

    HELP STOP FORCED AND COERCED VACCINATION IN TEXAS
    2 NVIC and PROVE Events at the State Capitol this Week -- PLEASE Attend!
    Hearing on Tuesday and Legislative Visitor Day on Wednesday

    1) Registered OPPOSITION needed at House Public Health Committee Hearing on HB 465: A bill to remove the current opt-in consent requirement for inclusion in the government vaccine tracking system and instead makes inclusion automatic for adults and children alike. The bill provides for an intrusive and ineffective opt-out. The state should continue to ask permission before they are allowed to take, track and share someone's vaccination status. This information is used for vaccination enforcement and research.

    Tuesday, March 3, 2015, 8:00 a.m. Capitol Extension Hearing Room E2.012, Austin, TX

    We need people to arrive by 7:45 a.m. and submit a witness affirmation card against the bill on behalf of themselves and any organizations they represent before the hearing starts. Please feel free to stay and watch the hearing or submit written or oral testimony against the bill. More information on this bill will be coming tomorrow and please plan to be there if you can!

    http://www.legis.state.tx.us/BillLookup/Hist... -- history and text for HB 465

    http://www.legis.state.tx.us/tlodocs/84R/sch... -- hearing notice

    2) Legislative Visitor Day to Stop Forced and Coerced Vaccination in Texas
    Wednesday, March 4, 2015 9:50 a.m. -- 2:30 p.m., Committee Hearing Room E1-026 in the Capitol Extension to start, then the rest of the Texas Capitol, Austin TX

    Legislators and staff need to be educated to stop a multitude of bills filed that enable forced or coerced vaccination in Texas. Please come to the Capitol and help! We will supply the training and legislative educational materials.

    Schedule:

    9:50 a.m.: Meet outside of Committee Hearing Room E1-026 in the Capitol Extension

    10 -- 11 a.m.: Bill Briefing, Visitor Training, and Legislative Visitor Packet distribution from PROVE and NVIC in Committee Hearing Room E1-026

    11 a.m. -- 1 p.m.: Visit Assigned Legislative offices and drop off packets

    1 -- 2:30 p.m.: Lunch (please bring money), Sharing, and Debriefing in the Capitol Extension Cafeteria

    Parking: Capitol Visitors Parking Garage located at 1201 San Jacinto, between Trinity and San Jacinto Streets, at 12th and 13th Streets.

    http://www.tspb.state.tx.us/spb/plan/Parking...

    Attire: Your appearance is important. Please wear business clothing. (Women: dress slacks, suits or skirts. Men: dress slacks and ties, suit coats optional). The truth is you will be judged on your appearance as you represent the side of informed consent to vaccination so please dress professionally. Comfortable but nice walking shoes are helpful. If you are choosing to bring children, they should be dressed conservatively and neatly, and you should bring another adult with you to hold your children or occupy them while you present information to an office.

    We are requesting that all attendees pre-register for this event so we can divide visitor teams and legislative educational materials ahead of time. We will be checking your name against our sign up list at the 10 a.m. educational session. Please sign up here:

    http://nvicadvocacy.org/members/Hidden/Forms...

    You will be visiting the offices of your own State Senator and State Representative in addition to a handful of other legislative offices that do not have someone from their district attending. Expect to share your story with the offices you visit about why it is important to your family that bills that force and coerce a one-sized vaccination schedule in Texas need to be opposed.

    If you have a family member who has been injured or killed by a vaccine, please be ready to share that story. We will also have presentation materials to help you explain why the bills below should be opposed. We all are aiming for a human connection with legislators and staff. Sincere, respectful, and educational communications are our top priority and the most effective.

    We are looking forward to seeing you on Tuesday and Wednesday! 

    Sincerely,

    Dawn Richardson and Rebecca Rex
    Parents Requesting Open Vaccine Education (PROVE) and Texas NVIC Advocacy Co-directors

    h/t to http://healthimpactnews.com/2015/texas-rushe...


    Nine bills in Texas that threaten total medical tyranny against your body
    Here is the list of the current proposed NINE bills that should be OPPOSED:

    HB 2006
    OPPOSE
    Introduced on 2/26/2015
    Eliminates Conscientious Exemptions to Vaccination

    HB 1674
    OPPOSE
    Introduced on 2/19/2015
    Requires physician counseling for conscientious and religious belief exemption

    HB 1593
    OPPOSE
    Filed on 2/18/2015
    Requires all public schools provide parents the number of students enrolled not fully vaccinated

    SB 547
    OPPOSE
    Referred to Senate Health and Human Services on 2/18/15
    Requires posting of exemption numbers on the Internet by schools and the Dept. of Health

    HB 212
    OPPOSE
    Referred to Juvenile Justice & Family Issues Committee
    Allows minors 14 and older in the Texas Juvenile Justice System to consent to vaccination

    SB 29/ HB 465
    OPPOSE
    HB 465 scheduled for a hearing in Public Health Committee for 3/3/2015
    Makes inclusion into vaccine tracking system automatic & REMOVES current opt-in consent requirement

    SB 538
    OPPOSE
    Introduced on Feb. 10, 2015
    Expands police powers to detain individuals suspected of exposure to communicable diseases

    SB 298
    OPPOSE
    Referred to Senate Education Committee
    Adds new meningitis vaccine mandate for public school students


    Learn more: http://www.naturalnews.com/048821_vaccine_database_Texas_legislation.html##ixzz3TN0Cxuql

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    03-04-2015, 12:07 AM (This post was last modified: 03-04-2015, 12:09 AM by indolering.)
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    http://rinf.com/alt-news/editorials/big-...d-consent/


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QgpfNScEd3M

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    #125
    03-04-2015, 10:57 AM
    Wouldn't this require the elite to get vaccinated too? Or are they immune from having to get vaccinations?

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    #126
    03-04-2015, 01:13 PM
    the elite has the immunities money gives them.

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    03-04-2015, 01:18 PM (This post was last modified: 03-04-2015, 01:31 PM by AnthroHeart.)
    They're going to regret what they did in the afterlife and feel guilty for it for requiring vaccinations and pushing legislation for such. They may even be incurring karma for those actions. Unless they're trying for 4D- in which case they'll probably be glad they killed off some of the population.

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    03-04-2015, 01:33 PM (This post was last modified: 03-04-2015, 01:33 PM by Bluebell.)
    everyone regrets by mid-6D

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    03-04-2015, 01:56 PM
    Wow, interesting topic and I don't pretend to be able to take a stand on either side.  I was very glad to have polio vaccines as a young person.  I had measles and chicken pox as a child - we just thought it was normal.  Where I am right now is that I'm not going to make any general decisions - I'll decide about each vaccine individually according to my inner comfort level and the research I am able to do on it.  

    I am slow to adopt any government suggested health regimes, as I have lived through many of these and have observed them come and go, reverse and reverse again.   I do not reject the concept of vaccines in general, however.

    My study of the Cayce materials has not revealed one rule that applies to everyone at all times.  Cayce said, "For someone who has a quinine mind, quinine is the only treatment that will work" (for malaria.)  In other words, our attitude about a treatment is very, very important, and there is seldom any one, correct approach to treatment.

    Saw an interesting show on TV the other night (60 minutes?) about a new cancer treatment that involves injecting the person with measles virus that contains a cancer killing component.  I wonder if this would work for someone who had been vaccinated against measles?
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    03-08-2015, 11:35 PM
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    This article doesn't specifically mention vaccines but certainly they are part & parcel of Big Pharma's arsenal against human health.  I post this to give more insight into the corrupt world of modern medicine which, in large part, is run by the pharmaceutical industry with their multi-billion dollar budgets....  They manufacture them, pay for bogus, 'scientific' studies, hide the facts when they find any dangerous side-effects, pay for massive amounts of propaganda on tv, bribe doctors to prescribe them, and bribe politicians and bureaucrats who allow them to get away with murder.  


    https://www.organicconsumers.org/news/bi...-new-mafia

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    #131
    03-09-2015, 12:26 AM
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    [Image: checkpoint-R-1-587x469_zps5zsstbtb.jpg]

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    Here's a recent article which expands upon the theme expressed on the previous page, namely, Shemaya's question of what can we do to change things, how can we unite to effect a peaceful revolution? This is probably the most asked question by those who have awakened from their slumber, and it deserves a rational response. The article is not a complete answer but it's a well-reasoned and pertinent reply to an important question.

    http://www.wakingtimes.com/2015/03/07/th...evolution/

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    03-09-2015, 07:43 AM
    Good info indolering. Thanks for posting, I don't have much time to comment but I did watch the video. Working in the health industry as a PT, I see the problem with pharmaceuticals every day.

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    03-09-2015, 08:04 AM
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    http://www.wakingtimes.com/2015/03/06/wh...-vaccines/



    attn: Shemaya
    http://www.wakingtimes.com/2015/03/07/th...evolution/

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    03-09-2015, 08:14 AM (This post was last modified: 03-09-2015, 06:23 PM by indolering.)
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    03-09-2015, 10:52 AM
    indolering I just wanted to share my point of view that the picture you have shared seems like emotionally manipulative propaganda and might dilute the strength and purity of your good intentions.

    Martin Luther King Jnr had this to say on the strength and purity of our intentions. (I believe I am quoting correctly)

    "You cannot fight darkness with darkness only light can do that, you cannot fight hate with hate only love can do that."

    Heart
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    03-09-2015, 06:52 PM (This post was last modified: 03-09-2015, 06:55 PM by indolering.)
    (03-09-2015, 10:52 AM)Nicholas Wrote: indolering I just wanted to share my point of view that the picture you have shared seems like emotionally manipulative propaganda and might dilute the strength and purity of your good intentions.

    Martin Luther King Jnr had this to say on the strength and purity of our intentions. (I believe I am quoting correctly)

    "You cannot fight darkness with darkness only light can do that, you cannot fight hate with hate only love can do that."

    Heart

    Thank you for your thoughts on this important subject.  Propaganda is what I expose, not advocate.  My sole purpose is truth and the welfare of All.  If I have strong opinions it's because I have seen the treachery and genocide of parasitic maniacs who want to enslave us.  I offer as much evidence here as I feel is appropriate.  If you feel I'm propagandizing for something which isn't true, I'd like to hear your opinion of what is the truth.  I fear you haven't quite plumbed the depths of the depravity of the controllers, the secret society satanists hell-bent on their world dictatorship.  This concerns everyone.  It will require a massive awakening and some concerted action to prevent this nightmare from unfolding.  The illuminoids have been working a long, long, time to achieve this objective, ignoring Ashim's assertion that if they wanted to eliminate anyone they would just do it and get it over with rather than institute complex programs which attempt to hide the agenda.  They initiate wars to cull the population, reap millions in loans and arms sales, and reconfigure the political world to their advantage.  It's all about control and eliciting a mostly unconscious assent of the public to allow them to take over.  I serve the light by shining the light of truth on the dark, diabolical schemes of satanists who have usurped control of this planet. 

    If my 'rants' sound like I hate the enemy, well, I'm in good company since most people I know hate the kind of behavior practiced by these Luciferians.  I know the rap, love your enemy.  Right.  Whatever.  I am motivated by Love, the love of the Creator Whom I serve.  I also find strength in righteous indignation, in the outrage I feel when I witness what these monsters are capable of.  We're losing our world.  And I feel like the newsman in the movie Network, when he says, "You've got to get mad!"  

    I daresay you too will feel emotional when Child Protective Services comes to your house and removes your children because you drank a beer, had a smoke, or refused a vaccination.  Where's the propaganda you speak of?  Am I trying to bullshit you about anything?  Is Big Pharma your friend?

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    03-11-2015, 05:00 PM
    (03-09-2015, 06:52 PM)indolering Wrote:   If you feel I'm propagandizing for something which isn't true, I'd like to hear your opinion of what is the truth.   

      
      Where's the propaganda you speak of?  Am I trying to bullshit you about anything?  Is Big Pharma your friend?

    I would submit that the truth is contact with Intelligent Infinity, a sensation beyond the parameters of vocal expression. To love our enemies is to recognise the source of that sensation within them before anything else. If the creator within our enemies is standing down then why are we not following the creators lead? Why do we feel the need to defend the essential  truth? To forgive our enemies is to let go and let god and I do not believe you are trying to bulls*** me about anything, I merely suspect that you are diluting the information you have shared with emotionally charged imagery. Imagery that would perhaps be more easily accepted as truth on the face book page of a popular conspiracy "theorist".  The pharmaceutical industry is comprised of millions and millions of humans (I am guessing it is in the millions), most of which I would imagine to be concerned with their existential needs, family relationships, pension security, the next vacation, what to cook for dinner, how best to protect their children... No the industry is not my friend, neither can I trust the Government because they tend to put profit and policy before individual safety. I profoundly trust who they are within though!

    Here is the first post I made on this thread...

    http://www.bring4th.org/forums/showthrea...#pid163793
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    03-12-2015, 01:05 AM
    Quote: Cayce said, "For someone who has a quinine mind, quinine is the only treatment that will work"
    Science calls this placebo effect.

    Those who believe science are prone to mock the power of belief, created by the power of thought. They are more willing to not think, and allow others to do the thinking for them. This is a display of the widespread refusal of free will, handing off what minimal free will they had to begin with.

    People are trained to not think, threatened when they think different, and now drugged if they are different. Sad to see everyone breeze by all opportunities to take up awareness of free will.
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    03-12-2015, 07:18 AM (This post was last modified: 03-12-2015, 07:54 AM by Shemaya. Edit Reason: Autocorrect ! )
    (03-12-2015, 01:05 AM)BrownEye Wrote: People are trained to not think, threatened when they think different, and now drugged if they are different. Sad to see everyone breeze by all opportunities to take up awareness of free will.

    it's a collective solar chakra blockage, we go along to get along.  And fear.  The powerful AMA has ruined careers and people's lives in order to suppress alternative views. So who wants their life ruined, if that is the risk?

    We people have to rise up and wise up

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    03-12-2015, 07:38 AM
    There are people from different countries and cultures on Bring4th.... and to speak to something as being true for the majority of people on Earth is a big generalisation.

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    03-12-2015, 07:50 AM (This post was last modified: 03-12-2015, 07:52 AM by Shemaya.)
    (03-12-2015, 07:38 AM)Sheldor Wrote: There are people from different countries and cultures on Bring4th.... and to speak to something as being true for the majority of people on Earth is a big generalisation.

    Yep

    The status quo is the status quo no matter what part of the world you live in.

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    03-12-2015, 08:03 AM
    No.

    I live in a country where the 'status quo', is constantly shifting, being challenged, in flux. There are many countries like this.
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    03-12-2015, 08:04 AM
    Quote:11.17 Questioner: At what stage does a planet achieve social memory?

    Ra: I am Ra. A mind/body/spirit social complex becomes a social memory complex when its entire group of entities are of one orientation or seeking. The group memory lost to the individuals in the roots of the tree of mind then become[s] known to the social complex, thus creating a socialmemory complex. The advantages of this complex are the relative lack of distortion in understanding the social beingness and the relative lack of distortion in pursuing the direction of seeking, for all understanding/distortions are available to the entities of the society.

    The social memory complex of our new world is a point where all beings are oriented toward loving common-unity.  In order to get there, the status quo needs transformation first in our thoughts and understanding, and then physically manifested. 

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    03-12-2015, 08:07 AM
    (03-11-2015, 05:00 PM)Nicholas Wrote: I would submit that the truth is contact with Intelligent Infinity, a sensation beyond the parameters of vocal expression. To love our enemies is to recognise the source of that sensation within them before anything else. If the creator within our enemies is standing down then why are we not following the creators lead? Why do we feel the need to defend the essential  truth? To forgive our enemies is to let go and let god and I do not believe you are trying to bulls*** me about anything, I merely suspect that you are diluting the information you have shared with emotionally charged imagery. Imagery that would perhaps be more easily accepted as truth on the face book page of a popular conspiracy "theorist".  The pharmaceutical industry is comprised of millions and millions of humans (I am guessing it is in the millions), most of which I would imagine to be concerned with their existential needs, family relationships, pension security, the next vacation, what to cook for dinner, how best to protect their children... No the industry is not my friend, neither can I trust the Government because they tend to put profit and policy before individual safety. I profoundly trust who they are within though!

    Are you suggesting that we should partake in the works of the negative elite (meaning accept vaccinations with this thread, but one could generalize the statement) because we profoundly love and forgive all those in the negative elite and those who unknowingly have been deceived and work for the negative elite?
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    03-12-2015, 06:19 PM
    (03-12-2015, 08:07 AM)ScottK Wrote: Are you suggesting that we should partake in the works of the negative elite (meaning accept vaccinations with this thread, but one could generalize the statement) because we profoundly love and forgive all those in the negative elite and those who unknowingly have been deceived and work for the negative elite?

    I am advocating a foundation from which to base our discernment upon.

    "Science has also made itself vulnerable to “fanatic skepticism,” he believes. Science rests on trust, on the belief that earlier scientists have laid a foundation for new work, but “there have been a lot of real events that breed mistrust in the reports of scientists.”
    Mad-cow disease, where the British government played down risks until people became sick. Stem cells studies with faked data. Advertisers with an influence over research journals. Drug companies hiding results of trials that go badly. And even governments muzzling their scientists.
    “None of this is made up. These are all actual things, and these give people reason to ask themselves: Can I believe in what I am being told by scientists?” says Weijer.
    “To me, that illustrates the foundational nature of trust to the practice of science. And mistrust is a door through which conspiracy theories step.”
    Once that trust is lost and has been replaced by a conspiratorial story, it’s difficult to persuade a person otherwise, he says."

    The full article is here...

    Why don't people trust science?
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    03-13-2015, 01:05 AM (This post was last modified: 03-13-2015, 01:37 AM by ScottK.)
    So what you are saying, from reading that article, is that there are certain superior classes of people, who have so much more knowledge than other people, whose word shall be taken as fact.   And if one doesn't accept that superior class of people's work as fact, that individual shall be branded as a conspiracy theorist?  (Even if that superior class of people has been quite wrong before..)

    Addition on edit: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_authority

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    03-13-2015, 02:23 AM
    http://ottawacitizen.com/news/national/w...st-science

    Excellent article.. it describes my view.

    I've met STS/negative 'entities' in both 'new age' medicine and modern science.
    I use (and avoid) both 'new age' and 'modern' medicine.
    I decide on a case by case basis.

    What I'm wary of is anyone who tells me they have the 'whole picture'.

    The USA accounts for only 4.5 % of the world's population - so what you feel is happening in the world might (perhaps) be true for your country; but unless you're a widely travelled sociologist/ethnologist/multi-cultural expert in economics, politics and history, (with a degree in medicine), it's questionable to claim to know what's going on for the other 95% of existence on this planet.
    http://www.worldometers.info/world-popul...y-country/

    To quote from the article link from Nicholas:

    "Part of the issue is that science and the language it uses are becoming more complicated all the time. To read a piece of modern research requires several years of specialized university education. Even with a PhD and years of experience, a biologist and a physicist generally can’t read each other’s work."

    As well as this, it's not accurate (or even possible) to make generalisations for billions of INDIVIDUALS - or to think any one reality applies.

    Perhaps the US government and doctors are trying to kill it's citizens under covert orders from Illuminati?....
    (though my logic tells me that there's far more money to be made from sick people - than from people who won't get diseases because they're vaccinated.)

    Perhaps there is a 'global elite' controlling populations planet-wide.... (but I've actually seen the results of pandemic spread of disease... horrific... Sad )

    Which even makes me wonder - if there is an Illuminati perhaps it's actually behind the anti-vaxx agenda... ?

    - because if we experience the pandemics that would occur from these diseases returning - there'll definitely be massive death tolls and massive reduction in the global population.




    Fear is not useful.
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    03-13-2015, 01:50 PM (This post was last modified: 03-13-2015, 01:58 PM by indolering.)
    (03-12-2015, 07:18 AM)Shemaya Wrote:
    (03-12-2015, 01:05 AM)BrownEye Wrote: People are trained to not think, threatened when they think different, and now drugged if they are different. Sad to see everyone breeze by all opportunities to take up awareness of free will.

    it's a collective solar chakra blockage, we go along to get along.  And fear.  The powerful AMA has ruined careers and people's lives in order to suppress alternative views. So who wants their life ruined, if that is the risk?

    We people have to rise up and wise up

       
    Yes.  That's the means by which the industry coerces their employees to cooperate...or else.


    (03-12-2015, 07:38 AM)Sheldor Wrote: There are people from different countries and cultures on Bring4th.... and to speak to something as being true for the majority of people on Earth is a big generalisation.


    The takeover of Earth by Luciferian entities is a global affair...everyone on the planet is affected - perhaps not exactly in the same manner, but freedom will be taken from everyone.

     
    (03-12-2015, 06:19 PM)Nicholas Wrote:
    (03-12-2015, 08:07 AM)ScottK Wrote: Are you suggesting that we should partake in the works of the negative elite (meaning accept vaccinations with this thread, but one could generalize the statement) because we profoundly love and forgive all those in the negative elite and those who unknowingly have been deceived and work for the negative elite?

    I am advocating a foundation from which to base our discernment upon.

    "Science has also made itself vulnerable to “fanatic skepticism,” he believes. Science rests on trust, on the belief that earlier scientists have laid a foundation for new work, but “there have been a lot of real events that breed mistrust in the reports of scientists.”
    Mad-cow disease, where the British government played down risks until people became sick. Stem cells studies with faked data. Advertisers with an influence over research journals. Drug companies hiding results of trials that go badly. And even governments muzzling their scientists.
    “None of this is made up. These are all actual things, and these give people reason to ask themselves: Can I believe in what I am being told by scientists?” says Weijer.
    “To me, that illustrates the foundational nature of trust to the practice of science. And mistrust is a door through which conspiracy theories step.”
    Once that trust is lost and has been replaced by a conspiratorial story, it’s difficult to persuade a person otherwise, he says."

    The full article is here...

    Why don't people trust science?


    I think we both understand the underlying unity of all life, and that it is indeed the Creator which inspires and animates each of us.  But we do not cooperate with evil regardless of its origin or whether or not the perpetrator is conscious of the effects of his actions.  We love and forgive our enemies while we defeat them in the game of life.  I'm reminded of Arjuna going into battle with Krishna by his side....

    Your quote above implies that 'conspiracy theory' only comes into play when deception is detected.  No.  Conspiracy fact is uncovered when we learn that we have been lied to, and we struggle to learn the truth.  And the truth of this world, sadly, is that we have allowed Luciferians to usurp control of our lives.   A coterie of negative ETs and reptilian/human hybrids have plotted for centuries to take full possession of Earth and enslave its inhabitants.  No longer a mere theory but provable fact.
    Read Bill Cooper, Icke, Barbara Marciniak, Jim Marrs, Alex Collier, there are many who have uncovered the truth.  Even the irascible Alex Jones understands the consequences if not the exact causes.

    The AMA and the medical industry is just one arm of the Octopus.  All vital industries have been infiltrated and used against us.  This will become obvious to everyone before long.  Soon to be widely exposed is the Federal Reserve and all central banks - did you know that the IRS is a private entity, owned by the Federal Reserve and used to forcibly (and illegally) collect taxes which go to, not the government but to the Federal Reserve, a private company!?  


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    http://www.wakingtimes.com/2014/05/13/ag...tatorship/

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    03-14-2015, 04:22 PM
    Quote:Perhaps there is a 'global elite' controlling populations planet-wide.... (but I've actually seen the results of pandemic spread of disease... horrific... [Image: sad.gif] )


    Which even makes me wonder - if there is an Illuminati perhaps it's actually behind the anti-vaxx agenda... ?

    - because if we experience the pandemics that would occur from these diseases returning - there'll definitely be massive death tolls and massive reduction in the global population

    If there is an illuminati, they are interested in maintaining their wealth , power, and privilege probably by any means they deem necessary. And that means maintaining the huge cash flow ( energy flow) that they have going now, with the global state of affairs as it is.

    Let's look at some numbers.  There are 7-8 billion people on the planet.  For the sake of simplicity I will make up numbers.  Let's say there is a $1 profit for each vaccine purchased.  Let's say it is desired that every single person obtain 20 vaccines, which would amount to $20 person. What does that work out to, 1.5 trillion dollars?  I am not sure of my math.  And my numbers are inaccurate, but that is a lot of money.  And significant motivation.

    The fact is that communicable diseases are controlled via good hygiene, universal precautions and hand washing.  Good health and overall nutrition is important also to maintain a healthy immune system, which will maintain health and homeostasis provided that a body's needs are met.

    I question the philanthropy of Bill Gates for example.  How much of his huge fortune is invested in big Pharma? Quite a bit, I am sure.  So he can buy vaccines, but also get a kickback of profit on his investment.  Great idea if you are concerned about maintaining wealth, power and privilege. And why isn't there a push from these wealthy corporate philanthropists to get clean water for the developing world?  That is what is required for preventing disease, clean and sanitized water.  

    Given all the controversy, I think more investigation is needed to determine the safety of vaccines. Transparency regarding motivations of those set to profit  from them.  Honestly, a health care system based on making profit is corrupt at it's core.

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