To Vaccinate or Not

[AnthroHeart]

I'll stop there for brevity..  "Sound Science", Ehh?

EDIT: And dogma ten mechanistic medicine is the only medicine that really works. - Rupert Sheldrake (5 mins)

I like what he says about mind extending beyond the brain.

[Bluebell]

oh! Shawnna! my apologies *drips sarcasm thick as molasses* i wasn't aware that wanting to keep my child Mercury free was not a valid medical reason to avoid vaccination! especially since i have over 50% chance my child will be autistic & severely sensitive to toxins. but oh no, u get to decide wut is valid.

wow. ur awesome. can we be best friends forever so u can make all my decisions?

i guess those w a Shawnna approved reason to be unvaccinated just conveniently don't somehow cause a pandemic ladidah

[Nicholas]

Please post scientific articles based on sound science.  

Shawnna it wasn't that long ago that "sound science" was termed "solid science". Next up it might be "safe and sound science"? Can you not see or at least consider that the physical world is the creature of the metaphysical world? Don't get me wrong here, the outside in approach has some "sound" merit and I can fully appreciate why many people see vaccinations as the only alternative. (I may even choose it for myself one day) However when one wakes up one becomes aware that CHOICE is an absolute. To make peace with death (realisation of it being a subjective impression) is to then view the world around us with all its fruits and threats as CHOICES. If the mob rule of consensus opinion (a pretty crude expression I will admit) proclaims a right to disempower me because of my philosophical position, my calm and fearless (and hopefully respectful) refusal to adopt their illusory (termed "sound science" I believe) foundations will most likely be met with befuddlement and a fruitless circular debate. In fact this thread has turned into a circular debate with a bit of unfortunate finger pointing mixed in.

Out of the box thinking (independent of societies distorted frontier) is in part, recognising the sovereign and inalienable right to non interference or coercion, and access to information that reveals both the thesis and the antithesis. The root cause here is not fear based when refusing pro vaccine arguments, no the roots lie in reasonable "doubt" and insufficient levels of "trust" due to selective information being publicised and adversary or countering information being dismissed or supressed. The suppression or biased selecting of information allowed for public viewing is nothing new, after all this is a planet of mixed polarity (I have confirmed this for myself and trust Ra's guidance on this all the more).

The fear is rooted in the pro vaccine corner (fear of death and understandably so) and the fight is rooted in the anti vaccine corner (over my dead carcass and understandably so). The roots of dis-ease lie in man kinds separation from itself, self interest and the fear and mistrust that develops therefrom. Had this not been the case I feel very confident that dis-ease world be an old folks tale used to spook kids around a joyously created campfire. Also I think it is misguided to hint that pro vaccine advocates are inherently STO, which I feel you have done in earlier posts. This was why I originally replied to one of your statements.

Finally, two religions are going by unnoticed in the pro vaccine camp as I see it. And that is money and authority.

[Nicholas]

The exact quote and context please, if you would be so kind.
Where did Bill Gates say this?

I misquoted him. He actually said "...they killed children" 1.44mins into this interview. He later on goes on to identify disease as "evil" and also uses the words "inequality" and "equal". Personally speaking my BS meter went into the red early on in this interview.

[Ashim]

OK Nicholas, thanks for that. I'll give the vid a look.

[Nicholas]

I cant see anything illogical (unsound) in this statement.

"As long as vaccine manufacturers avoid doing causation studies, as long as this data doesn’t exist, health officials and published vaccine-promoting, peer-reviewed literature can state there is no proof vaccines cause SIDS or other vaccine injuries."

http://vactruth.com/2015/02/26/infant-di...-vaccines/

[Shemaya]

Did anyone catch Bill Gates saying vaccinations are useful for population control?

Yikes.

I thought of a story I read about women in Kenya who were vaccinated and found they had been sterilized without their consent. Ulterior motives in plain sight? People don't question or look deeper, just gloss over when a billionaire talks about reducing population growth. At around 0:45.

[Bluebell]

they can state wut they want. they always do. go "science" lol.

[Nicholas]

Science (the study of 3rd density reality) is negotiable. Viruses are constantly mutating. So can we.

http://www.collective-evolution.com/2015...heir-kids/

[Bluebell]

scientists r constantly relearning yet people continue to put blind faith in it.

[outerheaven]

I'd like to see the pro-vaccine crowd take up another issue: health professionals prescribing antibiotics for anything and everything, which has the effect of quietly creating antibiotic-resistance bacterias. That is a lot more serious of an issue, IMO.

(Oh and also people not taking their antibiotics the way they're supposed to deserve some share of the blame, but let's be honest, you probably shouldn't be taking antibiotics for a common cold or undetermined illness in the first place.)

I mean if we're really concerned about infectious diseases and public safety then all y'all better start grinding that axe with a health industry that treats antibiotics like they're some kind of OTC candy and are thus creating a serious risk to our health.

But such an effort would only underscore another one of the industry's unsafe practices and also threaten pharma's bottom line so oh no don't count on that mon ami. They need their profit, and more importantly their credibility, intact for the con to work.

[AnthroHeart]

What happens when antibiotics no longer work? Do you die?

[Shemaya]

What happens when antibiotics no longer work? Do you die?

  If our immune systems are strong, we don't need antibiotics.  There are lots of herbs, vitamins and natural medicines that help us to stay healthy, but the knowledge has been actively suppressed because it is not profitable.
Prevention , health and wellness is key. The best thing to prevent infection is washing of hands.  When people finally understood this, disease and infection rates went down.
It is true though, some people with weak immune systems have died when the antibiotics didn't work.  But those people are very ill and weakened.

[AnthroHeart]

We have a book somewhere of natural remedies for things. It's a pretty big book. I don't know where it is though.

[Nicholas]

Free online Documentary that talk about area 51 and UFO's in the first 5 minutes

PS. Its not off topic. (vaccines, big pharma and food)

http://www.boughtmovie.net/free-viewing/

[indolering]

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I haven't the time nor the inclination to debate Ashim whose motives I question and whose questions may be answered by posting a few pertinent articles demonstrating the truth of my statements that modern allopathic medicine is part and parcel of the arsenal of elitist globalists to ultimately control the world's population.  Ashim's comments don't surprise me - I've heard it all before by people who refuse to believe they've been lied to their whole lives and are desperate to cling to any vestige of the haunted past.   You fail to realize that the people who run our world are parasitic satanists - secret society initiates whose common goal is luxury and control.  Their collaboration with other negative entities to enslave humanity after a massive cull, can only succeed if enough good men do nothing.  As Orwell reminds us, "In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act."

Here's a small part of The Rockefeller File, a sort of primer of conspiracy research.  It's written by Gary Allen who gave us the influential book, None Dare Call It Conspiracy, and presented by Ken Adachi who runs educate-yourself.org, an excellent site devoted to exposing numerous assaults upon humanity and how we might extricate ourselves from our common oppression.  I'll post one or two more sources which won't be too off-topic for this thread.  The Rockefellers, of course, are just one dynasty comprising the octopus of control - most researchers agree that the Rothschilds, worth over 500 trillion dollars are the dominant bloodline.  It doesn't matter all that much - the collaboration of the various controlling dynasties is required for them to be successful.




[font=Times New Roman, Times, serif]Dear Reader:[/font]
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The super rich in America enjoy power and prerogatives un-imaginable to most of us. Who can conceive of owning a private empire that includes 100 homes, 2,500 servants, untold thousands of luxuries, and untold millions of dollars? America has a royal family of finance that has known such riches for generations. It is, of course, the Rockefellers. But if the Rockefellers were content with their wealth, if their riches had satisfied their desires, this book would not have been written. And I would not be urging you to read it. Money alone is not enough to quench the thirst and lusts of the super-rich. Instead, many of them use their vast wealth, and the influence such riches give them, to achieve even more power. Power of a magnitude never dreamed of by the tyrants and despots of earlier ages. Power on a world wide scale. Power over people, not just products. [/font]

[font=Times New Roman, Times, serif]The Rockefeller File is not fiction. It is a compact, powerful and frightening presentation of what may be the most important story of our lifetime, the drive of the Rockefellers and their allies to create a one world government, combining super-capitalism and Communism under the same tent, all under their control. For more than one hundred years, since the days when John D. Rockefeller Sr. used every devious strategy he could devise to create a gigantic oil monopoly, enough books have been written about the Rockefellers to fill a library. I have read many of them. And to my knowledge, not one has dared reveal the most vital part of the Rockefeller story: that the Rockefellers and their allies have, for at least fifty years, been carefully following a plan to use their economic power to gain political control of first America, and then the rest of the world. [/font]

[font=Times New Roman, Times, serif]Do I mean conspiracy? Yes, I do.

I am convinced there is such a plot, international in scope, generations old in planning, and incredibly   evil in intent. You will find the truth-often surprising, sometimes unpleasant, always vital-in the pages that follow. Gary Allen has done a masterful job of combining the hundreds of scattered facts and hidden clues of the Rockefeller puzzle until one unmistakable pattern emerges. The picture that is revealed when The Rockefeller File is finally opened may shock you. In this book, you will learn why the Rockefellers follow the policies they do, what their goals are, where they intend to take America ... and why it is essential they be stopped. I urge you to read The Rockefeller File and to encourage your friends to do the same.

November 1975
LAWRENCE P. Mc DONALD
Member of Congress [/font]


[McDonald was allegedly killed when Korean Air Lines jet (KAL 007) was allegedly shot down over Soviet airspace in 1983.  I say allegedly because rumors persist that the jet may have been forced down and the passengers enslaved in the Soviet Union.]

"If you wish to control commerce, banking, transportation, and natural resources on a national level, you must control the federal government. If you and your clique wish to establish worldwide monopolies, you must control a World Government. The Rockefellers are not humanitarians; they are power-seeking Machiavellians. They are using. their phony philanthropy as a guise for seizing power on a magnitude that would make old John D. Sr. proud." -Gary Allen 

By Gary Allen
Published 1976 

Chapter 4 
Profit x Philanthropy = Power 

"Philanthropy is the essential element in the making of Rockefeller power. It gives the Rockefellers a priceless reputation as public benefactors which the public values so highly that power over public affairs is placed in the Rockefellers' hands. Philanthropy generates more power than wealth alone can provide."' -Myer Kutz , Rockefeller Power 

The foundation ploy was one of the cleverest moves shrewd old John D. ever made-and he was responsible for some lulus. By the turn of the century the tactics he had used to create the Standard Oil monopoly made his name synonymous with ruthless exploitation. He was known as John D. Reckafellow, with a worse reputation than Scrooge. He may have been the most hated man in America. 

In order to scrub up his image (and possibly assuage his alleged conscience), John D. hired Ivy Lee, the nation's most prestigious ad man of the day. Lee suggested that the aging gentleman offset his skinflint image by starting to give away money. Scrooge was to be turned into an instant Santa Claus. To begin with, Lee (the original Madison Avenue truth-twister) had Mr. Standard Oily carry around a pocketful of dimes which he would strew before deliriously happy and grateful kiddies whenever he made one of his infrequent public appearances. Cynics observed that St. John ripped off money by the millions and doled it back-- a dime at a time. 

Well, not quite. He had an even more Machiavellian scheme in mind. He would "give-money away to foundations under his control and then have those foundations spend the money in ways which brought even more Power and profits to the Rockefeller Empire. The money "given away " would be bread cast upon the waters. But bread that almost always had a hook in it. John D. Jr. was to refer to this as the - principle of scientific giving. 

The original Rockefeller foundation was established in 1901 and was called The Rockefeller Institute for Medical Research. It was set up as part of Lee's PR program to clean up the Rockefeller image. Doubtless the Rockefeller money has done much good in the field of public health and scientific research-although there are some who will give you a heated argument even here.* 

*Those who believe that Rockefeller even in the health field is phony, point out the fact that Rockefeller monies have been used to degrade natural prevention of sickness and disease through vitamins and health foods and promote the use of drugs. Drugs are manufactured mainly from coal tar derivatives and, besides being in the oil business, the family has for decades been heavily invested in the giant drug manufacturing concerns. 

For more information on Rockefeller control of medicine, see G. Edward Griffin's World Without Cancer



http://educate-yourself.org/ga/RF4chap1976.shtml

Chapter 10
 - The People Planners


The Rockefellers learned nearly a century ago that there are two standard ways for one of their companies to absorb another corporation. If the firm to be acquired is much smaller, a "take over" is the simplest procedure: buy em out.
But if the competitor is more your equal, a merger- "must be arranged".
The same principles hold true among nations. No matter how much this country sends abroad as foreign aid, technical assistance, loans that are never repai4. or other largesse, there is simply no way another country -or even a bloc of countries- can be made powerful enough to take us over.
Recognizing this political fact of life, the master planners devised the strategy of a merger - a Great Merger - among nations.

But before such a merger can be consummated, and the United States becomes just another province in a New World Order, there must at least be the semblance of parity among the senior partners in the deal

How does one make the nations of the world more nearly equal?

The Insiders determined that a two­prong approach was needed, use American money and know-how to build up your competitors, while at the same time use every devious strategy you can devise to weaken and impoverish this country. The goal is not to bankrupt the United States, we must emphasize. Rather, it is to reduce our productive might, and therefore our standard of living, to the meager subsistence level of the socialized nations of the world.

Only a fascist-socialist dictatorship would have the power to accomplish such a " redistribution." Notice that the plan is not to bring the standard of living in less developed countries up to our level, but to bring ours down to meet theirs coming up.

You may be assured, however, that the Rockefellers and their allies are not talking about reducing their own quality of life. It is your standard of living which must be sacrificed on the altar of the New World Order.

The Rockefeller game plan is to use population, energy, food, and financial controls as a method of people control which will lead, steadily and deliberately, into the Great Merger. Much of the spade work for setting up this ploy is being done by Henry Kissinger, who was a personal employee of Nelson Rockefeller for a decade before Rocky placed him in the Nixon Administration. On numerous occasions Herr Kissinger has declared that his goal is to create a "New World Order." Syndicated Washington columnist Paul Scott reveals:

"It is Kissinger's belief, according to his aides, that by controlling food, one can control people, and by controlling energy, especially oil, one can control nations and their -financial systems. By placing food and oil under international control along with the world's monetary system, Kissinger is convinced a loosely knit world government operating, under the frame-work of the United Nations can become a reality before 1980."


Common sense tells us that a Rockefeller hireling such as Kissinger would not be setting up an "international control" system which takes assets from the Rockefellers and gives them to someone else. Obviously, the game plan is to take other people's assets and put them under the umbrella of a Rockefeller-controlled World Government.
This new strategy may be termed the " crisis route" to World Order. It runs parallel to and eventually will converge with the Atlantic Union treaty and regional government approach to the Universal State. Washington columnist Paul Scott calls this "the new strategy change from the direct to the indirect approach to bring about world government."
The plan, as publicly stated by the CFR's [Council on Foreign Relations-founded by the Rockefellers] Richard Gardner, part-time State Department functionary and Columbia University Professor of Law and International Organization, amounts to this:
Instead of trying to make the UN a complete world dictatorship immediately, the Establishment will identify different problems in different countries. Then they will propose a "solution," which can only be achieved by some kind of international agency, so that each country concerned will be forced to surrender another segment of its national independence. Gardner considers this piecemeal approach the practical road to the end of nationhood.
We are likely to do better by building our "house of world order - from the bottom up rather than from the top down. It will look like a great - booming, buzzing confusion" to use William James' facetious description of reality; but an end run around national sovereignty, eroding it piece by piece, is likely to get us to world order faster than the old-fashioned frontal assault.


So this is what the Rockefeller gang, working through agents like Kissinger and Gardner, have in mind­an "end run around national sovereignty." Gardner continues, with obvious glee:
"The hopeful aspect of the present situation is that even as nations resist appeals for' world government'­and 'the surrender of sovereignty,' technological, economic and political interests are forcing them to establish more and more far-ranging institutions to manage their mutual interdependence."


One of the most obvious back-door approaches to World Order is through the control of food [and water..Ken] . The ploy is to establish a World Food Bank, with the necessary goodies supplied (naturally) by the United States. The concept was proposed at the International Monetary Fund Conference in Nairobi by long-time Rockefeller front man Robert S  McNamara (CFR). R. Strange McNamara (yes, that really is his middle name) was made president of the World Bank after he had successfully completed his earlier assignment of crippling this country's military might [Johnson Administration during Vietnam War]. McNamara advocated the food-producing nations of the world surrender their surpluses to a " world authority," which would then take charge of redistributing the bounty to the 'have-not" nations. The topic was to be discussed at the UN's World Food Conference in Rome in November 1974. Between the time of the original proposal and the Rome conference, Richard Nixon was shuftIed into an early retirement and was replaced by a compliant Gerald Ford:
One of Ford's first official acts was to go before the UN General Assembly and assure the international flotsam gathered there that the voice of the Rockefeller's Charlie McCarthy, Henry Kissinger, was the very voice of America in all matters pertaining to international relations. Later, Ford announced that the Secretary of State would appear as keynote speaker on behalf of the United States at the upcoming World Food Conference, superseding the more logical choice, Secretary of Agriculture Earl Butz, who was the official head of the US delegation. Of the hundreds of political commentators around the country, only Paul Scott had the courage to assess the implications ofFord's actions:
"Whether he fully realizes it or not, President Ford has put his stamp of approval on Secretary of State Henry Kissinger's grand design foreign policy for the establishment of a loosely knit world government before the end of the 1970s.
By calling for the development of a global strategy and policy for food and oil within the structure of the United Nations, the President clearly signaled his acceptance of the 'new international order' being sought by Kissinger."
Scott went on to point out that instead of using this nation's enormous food production as a weapon of US foreign policy, to promote the expansion of freedom throughout the world, Ford accepted Kissinger's plan of passing policy control over US food surpluses, "and eventually all US food " to a national food bank.


Herr Henry made no bones about the fact that all of this is designed to further the New World Order. He told the delegates at Rome: "We are faced not just with the problem of food but with the accelerating momentum of our interdependence." And our-man in Rome went even further; he declared we should "make global cooperation in food a model, for our response to other challenges of an interdependent world - energy, inflation, population, protection of the environment."


http://educate-yourself.org/ga/RF10chap1976.shtml 

[Shemaya]

So you are saying the Rockefellers have a multigenerational plan of World domination through control of food, energy (oil), and the medical racket? 

So basically they are trying to turn the Earth, our planetary home, into a negative 4D planet?

What can we do to keep on the positive path?  I find still so much resistance for people to hear this information.  People are more focused on other peoples morality , ie. pro/con same- sex marriage, can we overturn Roe v Wade, you are bad if you are not pure vegan etc.  I mean it is smoke and mirrors, and the " philanthropists" of the world like Gates and Rockefeller are put on  a pedestal, emulated, idolized as successful businessmen who are living the American Dream (nightmare) .

[Bluebell]

most of the planet is unpolarized so maybe they're just going for enslavement in general. a completely -planet would be hard to achieve right?

[ScottK]

So you are saying the Rockefellers have a multigenerational plan of World domination through control of food, energy (oil), and the medical racket? 

So basically they are trying to turn the Earth, our planetary home, into a negative 4D planet?

What can we do to keep on the positive path?  I find still so much resistance for people to hear this information.  People are more focused on other peoples morality , ie. pro/con same- sex marriage, can we overturn Roe v Wade, you are bad if you are not pure vegan etc.  I mean it is smoke and mirrors, and the " philanthropists" of the world like Gates and Rockefeller are put on  a pedestal, emulated, idolized as successful businessmen who are living the American Dream (nightmare) .

You can only control yourself.  Operate ethically and honestly, and gravitate towards those who do the same.

Be aware, and choose not to be enslaved.  If the mainstream is pushing it, the rule of thumb would be to be skeptical.   The examples you cite are more like red herrings - you can talk about whether you are vegan or pro-choice, but the only uniform solution is anti-free will in either direction.  The mainstream pushes those seemingly because either answer forces authority to the government from the people, and they create needless controversy.  As a sovereign being, why would you care what others think on these issues other than for discussion - it's your right to choose for yourself, and either experience the fruits or the consequences of those choices.

It's your job to offer information, but it's not your job to force others to accept it.  Those who should get it, will likely get it, while others will choose to be enslaved by turning over their power of choice to others.

[sunnysideup]

[indolering]

That's right, Shemaya, world domination is one of their aims, using a world government, a world army, a global currency, and a microchip in every human being.  Supercomputers will maintain constant surveillance for the dictatorship.  And yes, it's been going on a long time - multi-generational and probably for many millennia.  Enslavement is facilitated by 'common core' type education, TV, poisons in food, water, drugs, air, ocean, soil, gmo's, chemtrails, electromagnetic radiation, microwaves...and I think most people would be appalled if they understood how many of our institutions have been infiltrated and turned against us by the controllers - for example, The Red Cross, Child Protective Services, the WHO, the FDA, the Democrat and Republican leadership are both controlled by the same negative beings, hence it's irrelevant who wins an election, both are owned by them.  Vaccinations are pushed so hard because they are effective in shortening the lifespan when given to infants and children.  

All this information is finally becoming more and more well-known, thanks to the serious researchers who publish in books, on the net or in videos.  The controllers cannot hide much longer and this is their greatest fear: exposure.  But once they reach their endgame, then they will openly boast how they have taken over.  

Our best hope, perhaps our only hope is for millions and millions of aware human beings consciously and collectively, refuse to participate in their diabolical plans.  Non-cooperation can end it all quickly, bloodlessly.  The information is out there..David Icke, Jim Marrs, Gary Allen, Eustace Mullins, Antony Sutton, there's a number of reliable texts to set history aright.  Remember: all wars are banker wars.  Down with the Federal Reserve and the unconstitutional income tax.  The IRS is wholly owned by the Federal Reserve, a private corporation and is its enforcement arm.  

I'll stop - the rabbit hole goes deep (doesn't it, Ashim?)  

Vaccinations have been a fraud from the beginning.  How many lies and deaths from 'side effects' (crib death?) are you willing to accept until you stop trusting liars and satanists whose agenda is control?  The human body is an amazing creation, and when kept healthy is quite capable of protecting itself from almost every normal malady - you may become ill, but generally get over it soon with some discomfort.  Is that so bad?  Vaccination-caused autism has been conceded by Big Pharma - are you willing to take that chance?      

[Nicholas]

  

Vaccinations have been a fraud from the beginning.      

For many it has been a life saver.

[Shemaya]

Our best hope, perhaps our only hope is for millions and millions of aware human beings consciously and collectively, refuse to participate in their diabolical plans

 How do you suggest we do that? I mean get millions of beings to be aware and collectively act against the rulers and the status quo?

[indolering]

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Nicholas: For many it has been a lifesaver.

For many, many more it has been a life-taker.  What are the odds?  Do you even know?  Gamble with your child's life, I don't care.  If it's a choice between Nature and Big Pharma, I'll take Nature every time.   Herd immunity is a myth.  For every life you find that's been saved, I'll find 100 that have been mutilated in some fashion.  

Same thing with cancer.  Are you going to take chemo and radiation?  Or do real cures exist?  




Shemaya: How do you suggest we do that?  I mean get millions of beings to be aware and collectively act against the rulers and the status quo? 


It's done one soul at a time, in your local community.  Are you creative?  Write a blog.  Write a book.  Organize a boycott.  I just heard Soda Stream (a jewish-owned business based in the occupied territories) went out of business, no doubt aided by BDS (Boycott, Divestment, & Sanctions).  I don't know how things will all work out - shooting it out with the military, however, is a losing proposition.  We want as peaceful a solution as possible.  There's a theory - which may or may not be accurate concerning human behavior - but the idea is that when a certain percentage of the hive or group have learned a certain behavior, normally survival-based, then somehow the rest of the group is inclined to behave the same way, learning by intuition, so to speak.  The basic understanding must be: an evil group of self-styled elitist satanists, bound together by secret oaths, have infiltrated and now control all of the world's most important and influential institutions; they use their immense wealth and power to expand their control over the planet and its inhabitants.  They want a fascist world dictatorship.  They collaborate with off-world ETs.  It's up to us to prevent this from occurring.  We each have a role to play in this life.  I'm sure a few leaders will emerge when a certain amount of leadership is called for.  Organized non-cooperation requires coordinated action requiring talented leaders.  I pray we can do this.  I'd hate to leave my children a world run by these maniacs. 

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8KQmps-Sog


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[Shemaya]

It's done one soul at a time, in your local community.  Are you creative?  Write a blog.  Write a book.  Organize a boycott.  I just heard Soda Stream (a jewish-owned business based in the occupied territories) went out of business, no doubt aided by BDS (Boycott, Divestment, & Sanctions).  I don't know how things will all work out - shooting it out with the military, however, is a losing proposition.  We want as peaceful a solution as possible.  There's a theory - which may or may not be accurate concerning human behavior - but the idea is that when a certain percentage of the hive or group have learned a certain behavior, normally survival-based, then somehow the rest of the group is inclined to behave the same way, learning by intuition, so to speak.  The basic understanding must be: an evil group of self-styled elitist satanists, bound together by secret oaths, have infiltrated and now control all of the world's most important and influential institutions; they use their immense wealth and power to expand their control over the planet and its inhabitants.  They want a fascist world dictatorship.  They collaborate with off-world ETs.  It's up to us to prevent this from occurring.  We each have a role to play in this life.  I'm sure a few leaders will emerge when a certain amount of leadership is called for.  Organized non-cooperation requires coordinated action requiring talented leaders.  I pray we can do this.  I'd hate to leave my children a world run by these maniacs


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 I have a blog, I was enjoying a little bit of writing.  Haven't written much lately though. Thinking about, the book, but I have to get discliplined and get started. But who will read it? 

I agree, I hate to leave my children in a world run by psychopaths and sociopaths.  I have a deep hope and desire that the human race will make it, will figure it out, will heal so that we can rise up and wise up.  There are so many distractions, so much opposition and antagonism that their divide, distract, and dominate plan appears to be working.

How will we get organized non- cooperation?  People really rely on their " authorities " to tell them what to do and how to live their lives. I know we are going tangent to the thread, vaccines are part of the larger problem of global control and global fascism, so I don't feel it is off topic.

[Shemaya]

You can only control yourself.  Operate ethically and honestly, and gravitate towards those who do the same.

Be aware, and choose not to be enslaved.  If the mainstream is pushing it, the rule of thumb would be to be skeptical.   The examples you cite are more like red herrings - you can talk about whether you are vegan or pro-choice, but the only uniform solution is anti-free will in either direction.  The mainstream pushes those seemingly because either answer forces authority to the government from the people, and they create needless controversy.  As a sovereign being, why would you care what others think on these issues other than for discussion - it's your right to choose for yourself, and either experience the fruits or the consequences of those choices.

It's your job to offer information, but it's not your job to force others to accept it.  Those who should get it, will likely get it, while others will choose to be enslaved by turning over their power of choice to others.

True Scott, if the mainstream pushes it, I am skeptical.  

I am also really energy sensitive so if the energy feels controlling, dominating , unbalanced , I am skeptical.  

What I care about are those in my environment, family, loved ones and especially children and future grandchildren.  I see the examples, " red herrings" as you called them as issues that divide and conquer, create opposition and distract, so people can fight each other instead of uniting in non-cooperation with the controllers. 

Another example, I look in the sky and see geoengineering, point out to others who insist that it is not clouds or haze covering the sky, but condensation.  really? Why can't people see?  I just don't get it sometimes. Clearly cross hatching in geometric patterns .  Is this not something we should be concerned about?  

[indolering]

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All great points, Shemaya.  No, I don't think it's off-topic.  There are good reasons why people should distrust the authorities who have lied and deceived us many times.  Vaccinations are but one tactic.  They have many.  They play all sides.  They're clever but they lack empathy, hence they're psychopaths and ghouls.  Chemtrails are another obvious manipulation.  I believe it to be another assault on our atmosphere, affecting human health and perhaps some kind of geo-engineering.  I certainly don't have all the answers - but I see the big picture, and without it, one is unable to capture the full significance of what is happening and why.  

It's a new era and we need to take responsibility for our own health and our own spiritual welfare.  Many would do well to join a small community wherein one may practice how to live in peace, at long last.... 


edit: This article was just published and I noticed how it dovetailed with our discussion.

http://www.zengardner.com/inevitable-awakening/

[Shemaya]

Really good article. Thanks indolering! The article expresses what has been on my mind recently.

And those are just surface issues compared to the deliberate socially engineered suppression of man’s innate spiritual nature, whether we call it social liberty or the freedom to create and manifest as we truly are.

 
I have been thinking a lot about the social engineering . From our religions and spirituality that encourage passive acceptance and deference to authority, to our medical system and food system and economic that keeps us sick dependent and broke, our daily lives are engineered to be as they are and people just go along with it thinking that is how it is. Just accept the status quo.

Our true nature is creative and we can change things easily if we work together, but nothing will change if we continue to accept their divide and conquer strategies.  

I feel as spiritual people that it is important for us to  empower one another to move forward, and work together recognizing that there are STS polarized beings that are focused on keeping us divided and disempowered. (And very successful at it)

What can we unite on?

[indolering]

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Shemaya: What can we unite on?


The question is not as naive as it might seem.  The obvious answer might be, reclaiming our planet from the cult which stole it.  But it's not that simple.  A strategy is required, a rallying point, an issue which touches almost everyone.  It could be resistance to the planned WWIII.  Or people coming together, surviving together after an economic collapse.  God knows there are lots of issues which confront us, many of which could easily spiral out of control and grab the imagination of millions of people who are ready to risk it all for the future.  I don't know, dear.  All I know is that we are on the brink of losing this beautiful planet to entities who threaten us all with extinction.  

Meditate, prepare, remain vigilant, use your talents to serve the Light.

[AnthroHeart]

Are you saying my tetanus shot I got about a year ago will shorten my life? I'm fine with that if it will protect me against tetanus.