Ra on suicide

[Learner]

69.6
Ra:
"...
However, the death, if natural, would undoubtedly be the more harmonious; the death by murder being confused and the entity needing some time/space in which to get its bearings, so to speak; the death by suicide causing the necessity for much healing work and, shall we say, the making of a dedication to the third density for the renewed opportunity of learning the lessons set by the higher self."

I wonder if "the making of a dedication to the third density for the renewed opportunity ..." means that anyone who committed suicide has to repeat third density. I think this would not apply to Don for he is a wanderer. This passage is also the reason I kinda wish the conspiratory belief by some that Robin Williams was murdered is true, for I wish he doesn't have to repeat the 3rd density.

[AnthroHeart]

We are our higher self, so it's about lessons we set for ourselves. If he repeats 3D it's because he wants to. We go where we are most comfortable at.

[Adonai One]

I like how people interpret these statements as absolute. Could it be that if you die with bitterness for human life and Earth, you may want to return to heal that bitterness, not HAVE TO?

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Bitterness is painful when prolonged. It is nice to heal. But there is no compelling force other than the self, there is no HAVE TO.

[Learner]

We are our higher self, so it's about lessons we set for ourselves. If he repeats 3D it's because he wants to. We go where we are most comfortable at.

We are our higher self in the sense that we and our higher self are of one as a child and the father are of one blood relation. But the child is not yet an adult like the father. I was reference to the child in this case -- just the 3D incarnated part of the soul.
I wouldn't say if he repeats 3D because he wants to, it's more likely that he needs to, and I wish he didn't need to do that.

[βαθμιαίος]

I suspect that wanderers, too, may need or want to return to third density to heal a suicide.

[Learner]

I like how people interpret these statements as absolute. Could it be that if you die with bitterness for human life and Earth, you may want to return to heal that bitterness, not HAVE TO?

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Bitterness is painful when prolonged. It is nice to heal. But there is no compelling force other than the self, there is no HAVE TO.

I guess "need to" would be a better word to use than "have to". But as Ra taught us, it's not true that we can just go to any density we want willy-nilly, we can only choose to go back to densities we already graduated from.

At a higher level, we, as one, have decided on the rules of the game, in that sense one can say anything we do and anything that happens to us as the consequence of what we do is our own choice. But at the 3D level, we can be misled.
69.17
"Ra: ... Firstly, we may note the situation wherein an entity gets a road map which is poorly marked and in fact is quite incorrect. The entity sets out to its destination. It wishes only to reach the point of destination but, becoming confused by the faulty authority and not knowing the territory through which it drives, it becomes hopelessly lost.

Free will does not mean that there will be no circumstances when calculations will be awry. This is so in all aspects of the life experience. Although there are no mistakes, there are surprises."

If Robin Williams was "hopelessly lost" and committed suicide, then it is not incorrect to say that he "has to" repeat 3D -- if my interpretation of Ra's statement (69.6) is correct. But you can also say it's his choice to repeat 3D, for like all of us, we entered this game (Logos) by agreeing to obey the rules/ways we set for ourselves. The wording reflects two different perspectives.

[kycahi]

Without regard to the personalities, I think that doing suicide would interrupt the full opportunity to accumulate space-time experiences. Therefore, during time-space the entity would, in consultation, determine whether to grab another 3D life to fill in a void, including one created by that very act.

Suicide is itself an experience and might count for enough with some entities. Regarding the two people mentioned, I am satisfied that each will do what is best for self and relevant other selves, so I won't dwell on them.

[AnthroHeart]

To Creator it doesn't matter the method of death. All experience is valued.

[Jeremy]

To Creator it doesn't matter the method of death. All experience is valued.

Sure the Creator values all experience but I'm willing to bet it doesn't enjoy seeing his creation mutilated, violated, or the prematurely end of a life simply because an entity couldn't hack it in this oh so horrible first world

[AnthroHeart]

To Creator it doesn't matter the method of death. All experience is valued.

Sure the Creator values all experience but I'm willing to bet it doesn't enjoy seeing his creation mutilated, violated, or the prematurely end of a life simply because an entity couldn't hack it in this oh so horrible first world

You're right. I just couldn't see it from my current vantage point. I don't want to encourage suicide. My wolfdog has a white patch on his chest that looks like an angel. I always call him my angel, like he's protecting me from myself.

[kycahi]

To Creator it doesn't matter the method of death. All experience is valued.

Sure the Creator values all experience but I'm willing to bet it doesn't enjoy seeing his creation mutilated, violated, or the prematurely end of a life simply because an entity couldn't hack it in this oh so horrible first world

We differ about this. As I interpret the LOO, nothing is created or destroyed when All Creation is made of love and light by the All Creator. We third density humans have emotions of all types, and nothing is wrong with that, but we diminish the Creator in our minds when we attribute it with similar ones.

WE don't enjoy seeing 3D mutilation and violation (unless we are psychopathic perhaps), but the Creator gains our experiences of them, as do we, and enriches thereby.

This stuff is not easy to write in English, and maybe not in any earth language. I wish to convey something of the differences between our third density limitations and the grandly unlimited One, about whom is difficult to write these sentences without using a male or female pronoun. The neutral "it" doesn't to It justice either, IMHO.

[Bring4th_Austin]

To Creator it doesn't matter the method of death. All experience is valued.

Sure the Creator values all experience but I'm willing to bet it doesn't enjoy seeing his creation mutilated, violated, or the prematurely end of a life simply because an entity couldn't hack it in this oh so horrible first world

We differ about this. As I interpret the LOO, nothing is created or destroyed when All Creation is made of love and light by the All Creator. We third density humans have emotions of all types, and nothing is wrong with that, but we diminish the Creator in our minds when we attribute it with similar ones.

WE don't enjoy seeing 3D mutilation and violation (unless we are psychopathic perhaps), but the Creator gains our experiences of them, as do we, and enriches thereby.

This stuff is not easy to write in English, and maybe not in any earth language. I wish to convey something of the differences between our third density limitations and the grandly unlimited One, about whom is difficult to write these sentences without using a male or female pronoun. The neutral "it" doesn't to It justice either, IMHO.

I have a hard time grasping this sort of paradox with the idea that all experience is valuable to the Creator, and yet the Logoi attempt to set up creations which increase efficiency in travel back to the Creator.

If the Creator's desire is just to experience itself, then why attempt to increase efficiency of movement between octaves? Where do the Logoi get this notion that it is better for an entity to polarize and evolve than not?

Can it be inferred that experience which promotes evolution and growth is of greater value to the Creator than experience which doesn't?

[Adonai One]

No. The Law of One says otherwise. Everything is valued as a unified being in the eyes of a star with no assigned importance. The stars do what they want without purpose. They are just being who they are and expressing themselves without expectation.

There is no great task at all. It's just a game.

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The distortons of the stars are just accumulated experience from other creations. There is no genius master plan. It's just colliding rocks forming into intricate positions that WE assigned meaning to. Polarity, "evolution", all this new age jargon is a bunch of labels thrown on what is a being just being so we can navigate our lives as we desire and put more and less distortion into the mix.

Friends, we're just throwing paint on canvas. There is no purpose. There is no importance. There is just is.

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TLDR: There is no "better". Just play. A puppy doesn't contemplate his bites and growls. He just does it and gets into a pattern of play without expectation.

[AnthroHeart]

Are stars more conscious or more aware than we as individuals are?

[Adonai One]

They are completely self-aware so they do not have to contemplate what they are and what they are not. They just are. They do not think about what they are doing in a moment, they just do what they do in a moment. It just all automatically gets done for them without effort. Wu-wei.

They are so much more aware than us than the concept of individuality does not apply. They are everything doing everything's wishes inherently.

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There is no shaping, creating directly. They are just allowing the expression of what was desired to be created in previous creations.

[Bring4th_Austin]

No. The Law of One says otherwise. Everything is valued as a unified being in the eyes of a star with no assigned importance. The stars do what they want without purpose. They are just being who they are and expressing themselves without expectation.

There is no great task at all. It's just a game.

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The distortons of the stars are just accumulated experience from other creations. There is no genius master plan. It's just colliding rocks forming into intricate positions that WE assigned meaning to. Polarity, "evolution", all this new age jargon is a bunch of labels thrown on what is a being just being so we can navigate our lives as we desire and put more and less distortion into the mix.

Friends, we're just throwing paint on canvas. There is no purpose. There is no importance. There is just is.

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TLDR: There is no "better". Just play. A puppy doesn't contemplate his bites and growls. He just does it and gets into a pattern of play without expectation.

Where exactly does the Law of One say otherwise? Ra says that through the Council of Saturn, the Law of One prevails with ease, yet the Council of Saturn acts to create a balanced environment for Earth, they aid the Confederation in helping planets polarize. If the Law of One does not assign importance, there would be no need for the council to make decisions based on the Law of One, as no decision would be better than another. The Council makes decisions for the Confederation, decisions for the Confederation to aid planets in polarizing. The beings which Ra literally says allow the Law of One to prevail with ease wish for spiritual evolution, so I don't think you can that the Law of One does not prefer spiritual evolution.

Ra also suggests to imagine, rather than carry out on the physical plane, desires "not consonant with the Law of One," implying that at least Ra holds the opinion that some desires, acted out, would be less consonant with the Law of One than imagining them.

I'm not disagreeing with the premise that all experience is valued by the Creator, but I don't see any compelling evidence (within the Ra material anyways) that says that experience of spiritual evolution isn't more valuable, or at least there are some experiences which as less valuable or less consonant with the Law of One.

[Adonai One]

The Council of Saturns acts on its distortions. The Law of One is all distortions. The Confederation/The Council are just entities like you and me with their respective distortions. They don't define the meaning of life to me. To me, they too are doing their own thing. The Law of One will be The Law of One with or without them. They aren't a ruling authority to me.

The Law of One prefers all things. People will prefer whatever they want. Whatever The Council does is their personal business and has as much relevance as what I want for dinner in the long-run.

Sure, Ra has opinions. What does that mean in terms of the macrocosm? Whatever. It can all change in an instant and become dust in the wind.

I see no evidence that the Logos is attached to an outcome. Whatever happens, happens and the next creations react accordingly. In the end, the octaves continue as however they continue.

The Council, Ra, you and me are just people that will dissolve into the macrocosm again, actors in a play. All this harvest stuff is just an interpretation of the macrocosm that can vary every which way depending on the entity. None of it holds true sway over all-encompassing free will that is ever-changing. In the next octave, this is all forgotten and new problems with new foundations show up with or without our action and consonance. There is no reprisal, no consequence that is more significant over another in eternity. It's all the same in the end: Love and light endlessly distorting themselves as they will, with no expectation.

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7.15: The Law of One blinks neither at the light or the darkness, but is available for service to others and service to self.

The Law of One doesn't blink at whatever happens. It has no rule other than preserving what exists.

And, no, The Council, The Confederation do not have to do anything. They just do what they want as I eat what I want for breakfast. Why are they so important? Why should I care about either of them?

[AnthroHeart]

I don't like that the Logos was experimenting with us when it set up the veil. I believe the Ra material said that some of the Logos' experimentations made the beings unviable. As in it killed some people with its experimenting.

I don't like being part of an experiment. All the archetypes are experiments. Why must it be so complex?

[Adonai One]

Because you were the Logos, Gemini, then you radiated yourself to other pieces of rock that became sub-Logoi, then you radiated yourself to animals and then an animal warped your light into what you are now. You did this all to yourself, Gemini, and you wanted it as you wanted it indirectly in the creations before you being the Logos. It's all you, literally, physically, in every way.

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You just want this just because. Now it's time to see if you really want this or if you want something else. You make tweaks to this every day in every way. You're forming a better universe directly. It can be all that you want and more at any time. You are not only The Creator. You are a universal creator, a universal artist.

[AnthroHeart]

Wise words.