Quietude & Asylum...

[Poet]

And so, is the purpose to prevent such attacks by eliminating the external factors that lead to distress or to interpret the experience in a light that leads to growth promotion?

I also asked myself this, reeay. But consider this: If you just remove the external factors, you will experience the same again and again. Experience will inform you quite fast if you just changed your external reality or if you integrated aspects of the self. I believe that every liberating step needs a certain amount of inner change and acceptance.

Of course, one should not create others as enemies. Nevertheless, unconditional love doesn't mean to me that one must interact with everybody. Selflessness is not love.

[Fang]

As for conspiracy theories, they ate my life up at one point and I wasn't the kind of dude to find out about such things from the internet while highly suggestible on happy herbs. Given my past, I developed extreme paranoia and the Ra material when found was personally framed in a way to reinforce this with ideas of orions and negative beings scouting me and others who shared my views as we were of course of a transcendent spiritual understanding that just had to be kept quiet LOL.

It's ridiculous. As the old saying goes "get over yourself". A big reason sensible people don't take notions of spirituality seriously is because of the sheer amount of self righteous people who get into it who think aliens/illuminaughty are after them, that they are jesus, that they have special abilities and/or that others are in inferior as people as they do not share such transcendent views.

There is stuff that goes on that is kept quiet, I won't deny that. But to jump to that as justification for wild claims without evidence or reasoning should not be tolerated it's almost as bad as "well there's infinite possibilities" lol

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To add, as I have learned from experience fear is the least favourable way to frame motivation and information. Hope mongering is just as bad btw

[reeay]

And so, is the purpose to prevent such attacks by eliminating the external factors that lead to distress or to interpret the experience in a light that leads to growth promotion?

I also asked myself this, reeay. But consider this: If you just remove the external factors, you will experience the same again and again. Experience will inform you quite fast if you just changed your external reality or if you integrated aspects of the self. I believe that every liberating step needs a certain amount of inner change and acceptance.

Of course, one should not create others as enemies. Nevertheless, unconditional love doesn't mean to me that one must interact with everybody. Selflessness is not love.

Interpretation of catalyst yeah. You can accept catalyst and interpret catalyst positively by understanding and accepting self.. that leads to balancing (integration)... or you can ignore/deny it or you can control catalyst etc.,. Blaming or shaming or scapegoating or just generally attributing responsibility onto others merely perpetuates conflict and so it doesn't really do anything to increase vibration. Problems that get formulated in a distal manner (e.g., external) rarely resolve bc the core problem is not recognized as one's responsibility. External attribution of problems also affect the person's sense of 'agency' (power to change something) so there is tendency towards helplessness and victimization and other problem-amplifying situations. e.g., the problem is external and I can't do anything about it so I'm going to be suspicious of everything since I'm the one being perpetrated on. Really takes someone further from the opportunity to balance self.

[Turtle]

This is not a discussion of whether this is fact or fiction: The question is if fear is a valid method of spreading wisdom. The original post is spreading fear in many individuals in this community and others. I do not believe this is an acceptable distortion given the sensitivity of spiritual seeking.

Pretty much that. Godspeed to all on this board who wish to evolve themselves and their lives in positive ways. Knowledge of what I bolded from Adonai One will serve you tremendously well, so that you can "just say no" to fear based thoughts and beliefs. Period....well....the choice is yours no matter how you look at it

[Ashim]

This is not a discussion of whether this is fact or fiction: The question is if fear is a valid method of spreading wisdom. The original post is spreading fear in many individuals in this community and others. I do not believe this is an acceptable distortion given the sensitivity of spiritual seeking.

Pretty much that. Godspeed to all on this board who wish to evolve themselves and their lives in positive ways. Knowledge of what I bolded from Adonai One will serve you tremendously well, so that you can "just say no" to fear based thoughts and beliefs. Period....well....the choice is yours no matter how you look at it

Why not invite the negative polarity?
Are you scared?
What can be gained by integration of the shadow self?
As Jung said, it's not popular, because it causes unease.

If we strive for unity then the dark must become one with the light.

Put the moon in the sun.

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There is much wisdom to be aquired when one allows the negative polarity into experience.

This is the path of the adept.

Sure, you might get s*** scared.

What is there to lose if you are an eternal being of light?

[BrownEye]

In my eyes, he has provided a catalyst which has clearly shown the discomfort most have with the idea that there are aspects of nature and reality which are predatory or antagonistic.

I have found the first step to integration being that of awareness. Denial of the possibility allows for the continuing of experience that may not be in the best interests of forward motion. You would not believe how many people will put up fights in defense of their own 'demons', I assume because of how well they integrate with the ego.

This false dichotomy of STO/STS hurts people greatly and promotes all sorts of black and white, us vs them thought patterns which aren't all that helpful or beneficial

Interesting how we chose to incarnate into an experience of duality and separation. Was it really only to remember what we were? Or could there be understanding to gain within the concept of separation? I suppose a wanderer would need to remember who they are and what they came here to do, but what about the rest?

Sometimes we can be very quick to dismiss realities that may involve any sort of negative projection, and instead overcompensate with positive projection.

Interesting how experience of greater reality is so often mocked or criticized by those stuck in the lesser reality.

It's just strange to dismiss things from being discussed because they can't be proven.

It isn't strange in the least. It is simply conditioning. It is very interesting to see the reactions of those that rely on belief that is reinforced by a lack of experience. (reading a lot does not constitute experience) I have done my own experiments with this, stopping frames of public videos to show the satanic themes in plain view (I do not believe in satan) and I see their reaction go from ignoring/not seeing (negative trance) to saying it is something else (positive trance) to total confusion at realization and asking why would anyone put that there? They are put there because of the power of symbols over the unconscious, and the conscious is conditioned to not be aware.

While many have opened up to the universe and proven other realities to themselves, it is quite another thing to think it can be proven to others. Those not open must rely on belief.

If indeed these warnings are true, they should be explored.

Who can spot what they can't see? Awareness is key, and lacking anything beyond the gross senses there is no exploration.

the question is how to interact with people perceived as negative on a personal daily-life level.

This is a function of the Law of Attraction. Not really the same as threatening the status quo of interdimensional species. GWV is putting together a book if I understand this correctly, and this book will have certain info that can be considered a threat to current balance. This would be the reason he experiences intrusions. If he was simply doing all of his work for his own gain, keeping everything to himself, well he then is working in alignment with so-called Orions and why would he be interfered with.

There is a fair amount in the Ra Material dedicated to the discussion of the apparent 5th density entity which was offering the group various forms of negativity or enslavement in order to either stop the group or destabilize them.

Pretty much all I have met that deal in multiple dimensions describe the importance of protection. Even Dolores who only uses hypnosis has learned of the importance of protection.

The LOO transcripts describe energizing dizziness as a way to possibly get someone to fall in front of a bus. I have found that many of the people I work on that have dark energies around the head, cords or other forms of attachment about the head, will tell me after the work is done that they used to experience pain or dizziness of the head. The descriptions in the transcripts are real and tangible.

In the L/L experience, they were targeted due to the nature of their work, which was to receive a message that may potentially change how we understand self and the process of our vibrational uplifting. In this context, I would not be surprised that they were targeted. However, due to such experiences they were able to become more aware of their own imbalances and necessity for work. And so, is the purpose to prevent such attacks by eliminating the external factors that lead to distress or to interpret the experience in a light that leads to growth promotion?

And how did this experience come about? They only became aware of these issues as a result of getting the info firsthand in English. Would they have ever become aware of this without Mr Obvious (Ra) telling them directly?

Interpretation of catalyst yeah. You can accept catalyst and interpret catalyst positively by understanding and accepting self.. that leads to balancing (integration)... or you can ignore/deny it or you can control catalyst etc.,.

Now this is very good. This thread has some strong denial in it. I find that refusing intrusion is not the same as refusing catalyst. Accepting firstly that catalyst is real, then making a conscious decision as to how best to deal with that catalyst. In my case I finally got around to using shielding, and it has actually been a huge learning experience. It is like the difference between driving with or without a windshield. You might be able to comfortably move forward at a very slow pace without the windscreen, but once you try to pick up the pace it becomes too uncomfortable and possibly even dangerous.

By becoming aware of these things that would attempt to offer service not conducive to health, I have integrated the knowledge and ability to decide consciously whether to accept that offer. I have become aware enough to sense when an offer is made. Nowadays it can almost be described as a bomb going off when a negative introduces itself. Almost like an audible boom.

Somewhere in the transcripts it will describe how the awakened individual will be able to create their own catalyst, more than likely no longer existing within the chaos of unneeded catalyst. I will say, it is quite an improvement over being half asleep.



The other thing I have learned. When a person has come to a certain point, there can be what I call an investment. This means that the person will have a quite powerful automatic protection in place because of high frequency vested interests. This allows for a much more peaceful coexistence. I am sure someone will project their personal concept of self importance onto this comment.

Also, I find the STS/STO descriptions useless. Everyone labels what is natural STS. Those actively engaged in survival are not STS, they are simply trying to survive in the state they exist within.

[Turtle]

This is not a discussion of whether this is fact or fiction: The question is if fear is a valid method of spreading wisdom. The original post is spreading fear in many individuals in this community and others. I do not believe this is an acceptable distortion given the sensitivity of spiritual seeking.

Pretty much that. Godspeed to all on this board who wish to evolve themselves and their lives in positive ways. Knowledge of what I bolded from Adonai One will serve you tremendously well, so that you can "just say no" to fear based thoughts and beliefs. Period....well....the choice is yours no matter how you look at it

Why not invite the negative polarity?
Are you scared?
What can be gained by integration of the shadow self?
As Jung said, it's not popular, because it causes unease.

If we strive for unity then the dark must become one with the light.

Put the moon in the sun.

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There is much wisdom to be aquired when one allows the negative polarity into experience.

This is the path of the adept.

Sure, you might get s*** scared.

What is there to lose if you are an eternal being of light?

Hehe, no no no my friend, you miss my point entirely. AFTER a being has already accepted that all things dark and all things light are a part of themselves and nothing more than different expressions of Infinity itself, THEN you gradually begin to realize that to humor the path that you do not walk, is to change yourself in a way that you already understand you have no desire to change.

Learning about all these things for the first time is a necessary step along the path of evolution of self....but once you've removed much distortion from your mind and spirit, to indulge in fear based thoughts to such a degree that it influences your actions is to sabotage yourself unnecessarily.

Here's another way to illustrate what I'm saying...

You can go your whole life believing that you are not fulfilling your life's mission unless you are somehow actively working towards eliminating the dark forces in control on this planet through whatever way calls to you. This is very 4th density type of thinking, in Ra's terms. However...if you are of the understanding that to do battle with other selves in any way shape or form is not necessary to live a life of joy and passion where you are offering aid to other selves who can benefit from whatever way you feel called to serve them, then to regress and invite battle into your life once more would be to add more weight, more distortion, more turmoil where there need be none.

It is all choice ultimately. Choose what you will!

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The other thing I have learned. When a person has come to a certain point, there can be what I call an investment. This means that the person will have a quite powerful automatic protection in place because of high frequency vested interests. This allows for a much more peaceful coexistence. I am sure someone will project their personal concept of self importance onto this comment.

There comes a point in one's development when it is understood that protection is not necessary either...instead, one simply understands that since they are responsible for the experiences they attract, that it is up to them to uncover unconscious belief systems having to do with protection/threat and accept that they exist, love them for keeping you straight on your path for as long as they were needed, and then politely throw them away where they belong...outside of the playspace that is your mind

[Fang]

This false dichotomy of STO/STS hurts people greatly and promotes all sorts of black and white, us vs them thought patterns which aren't all that helpful or beneficial

Interesting how we chose to incarnate into an experience of duality and separation. Was it really only to remember what we were? Or could there be understanding to gain within the concept of separation? I suppose a wanderer would need to remember who they are and what they came here to do, but what about the rest?

What I meant is that while the paths available due to separation are of course the paths of learning, they are often framed in an unhealthy manner that stifles growth.

Also, I find the STS/STO descriptions useless. Everyone labels what is natural STS. Those actively engaged in survival are not STS, they are simply trying to survive in the state they exist within.

good point

[Parsons]

[AnthroHeart]

Boy, I don't get that sophisticated of downloads from higher densities. Unless I do unconsciously.

[MichaelD]

Come now children. We are more mature than this.

It entertains me that in arguing against The OP on this specific point you further prove his point. In attacking him for his message you have sent negative vibrations into his auric field, thus providing concrete example of his point. If I tell a friend I've just had some visions of insight about my growth, they might say ,"cool" while actually thinking ,"yea right, he's full of himself". Are you naive to think this mere thought won't have some effect, however minute, on my consciousness? Now expand that to me posting on forums, "hey guys I've just had a vision and I'm channeling Ra!" Now perhaps 50 people consciously thought, "wow he's full of s*** and just inflating his ego". Now the effects are adding up. Now imagine someone reading that and it really aggravates them even to think someone is more advanced than them (regardless of its truth), so the thought follows them into meditation and they are thinking solely upon how full of s*** I am. Maybe this person even makes a habit of it. Maybe he's paid to do it, with money or some other form of growth I can't even comprehend. If you see how our culture literally kills innumerable people every year with fluoride, gmos, pesticides, etc. this isn't really a big leap of faith...

You can live in your fantasy world of love and light if you wish, riding your unicorn to drink from the fountain of life. Ignore the genocides taking place in literally every part of the world. Have your unicorn step over the bodies of cancer ridden adults and starved children. We live in a world so full of darkness. This isn't fear mongering, this is truth, regardless of your ability to see it. Love does not hide from fear. Love invites fear to sit by its fire, shares water with it, learns from it, integrates it. After all, fear IS love, all is. If we were meant to sit in the light we wouldn't bloody be here. Walk forth through the darkness, a warrior of love, open to fear, and when you are ready, realize you can simply turn on the light, your own light.

This is a forum for the Law of One. It's based off a channeling, inherently unprovable. That's the point. Our free will is paramount. OP could've held your hand and walked you through all the sources of information he may have to verify he's claims. Just as Carla could sit and talk for days claiming how true LOO is. None of it is true though, not for you at least. OP just shared his insight, ironically risking his own auric bombardment according to his own words. If you don't resonate, ask a constructive question or move on. Stop these personal attacks. This thread alone has reduced the love coming from these forums.

I love you guys, but it's time to start acting like who we want to be, letting our actions be a statement to the universe of who we are.

[isis]

Stop these personal attacks. This thread alone has reduced the love coming from these forums.

I love you guys, but it's time to start acting like who we want to be, letting our actions be a statement to the universe of who we are.

his last b4th visit was on the 15th...& i doubt he returns anytime soon.

i think this is likely the post that made him leave:

I'm thinking this is reeking of incipient paranoia and the unhealthy framing can only lead to yet more difficulties (to blame on others...). You kinda have a history of buying into imaginative, fantasy notions (i.e. not being around after 2012 cause that was supposed to be harvest time) and it would be sad to see you actually being carried away past the point of no return.

[zenmaster]

Drugs and spirituality...

[BrownEye]

Drugs and spirituality...

I agree that is usually trouble.

There comes a point in one's development when it is understood that protection is not necessary either...instead, one simply understands that since they are responsible for the experiences they attract, that it is up to them to uncover unconscious belief systems having to do with protection/threat and accept that they exist, love them for keeping you straight on your path for as long as they were needed, and then politely throw them away where they belong...outside of the playspace that is your mind

Ok, so are you saying to me that you can run around outside in 30 below weather, without any clothing, and not worry about frostbite or hypothermia? Because of belief? I mean it is the same thing after all, a choice made that attracts elements that you believe in. The only difference is that one is physical, one is metaphysical. Remember they are analogous to each other. And technically belief has boundaries.


Or would you just accept that the cold is there to keep you straight on your path? And stay indoors so that you can safely say you do not need protection from the cold?



Seems more like the choice of action links you to the reaction. (balancing?/choice?) A person can have all sorts of crazy beliefs and never attract anything at all. Why would that be?

This function is the same with a great many elements, both physical and metaphysical.

[Melissa]

Drugs and spirituality...

I agree that is usually trouble.

:p

[Turtle]

Ok, so are you saying to me that you can run around outside in 30 below weather, without any clothing, and not worry about frostbite or hypothermia? Because of belief?

I thought it was obvious enough that I was talking about protection/threat beliefs having to do with the issue of an other self having negative or hostile intentions towards one's self...

Not to mention, now that you brought up this funny idea about running around naked in frigid cold temperatures...We humans are exceptionally good at lying to ourselves about what we actually believe to be possible for ourselves in our reality. The kind of work involved to change one's beliefs in the manner I am speaking of, is no....easy....feat. You are not just thinking a thought over and over in your head and hoping it's come true. You have to take action to change your beliefs, and the entire process can rock your world emotionally and feel very upsetting to your spirit and psyche as you face fears you've been holding onto, sometime's since you were a child.

I welcome further challenges to clarification...please let's continue if you feel a need to! I am not sure if this a satisfying response for you... *shrug*

[zenmaster]

This thread alone has reduced the love coming from these forums.

Projection, little one.

And as far as "advanced spiritual info", that'd be a welcome addition to forum posts here.

[ScottK]

Come now children. We are more mature than this.
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I love you guys, but it's time to start acting like who we want to be, letting our actions be a statement to the universe of who we are.

Speaking for myself, many of these posts are excellent catalyst for me. 15-20 years ago when in my late 20's early 30's, I was kind of a pompous know-it-all type, and I probably still am though I continue to work at it. Often, the best teaching tool is the example of that which you don't want to be, and I have received some very clear reminders of that here - a very clear reflection of that which I used to be and perhaps still am to a lesser extent, and that which I wish to change in myself..

[isis]

Drugs and spirituality...

peas & carrots...



"There is a war on our consciousness...It is curious why a natural brain hormone like DMT is a Schedule I drug yet the ancient Egyptians pegged it as the ‘Tree of Life’. Shouldn’t we have sovereignty over our own consciousness? Natural mind-expanding plants are categorized as dangerous yet pharmaceuticals and alcohol kill millions each year."

[AnthroHeart]

When I took DMT, I saw sacred geometry and clowns. I also found myself aboard a spaceship looking down upon a planet. I saw the instrument panel. I even saw Bolt, my favorite cartoon character at the time, though he was warped looking.

[Patrick]

You can live in your fantasy world of love and light if you wish

Thank you! I will continue to do so then.

1.7

• This distortion is not in any case necessary
  
• It is chosen by each of you as an alternative to understanding the complete unity of thought which binds all things
  
• In truth there is no right or wrong
  
• There is no polarity
  
• for all will be, as you would say, reconciled at some point in your dance through the mind/body/spirit complex
  
• which you amuse yourself by distorting in various ways at this time
  

The fantasy world is

We live in a world so full of darkness

The reality is

You can live in your fantasy world of love and light if you wish

So simple really!

[Parsons]

You can't experience both 'worlds'? You can't directly experience one reality while casually observing the other?

Are you not all things‽‽‽‽

[zenmaster]

You can't experience both 'worlds'? You can't directly experience one reality while casually observing the other?

Are you not all things‽‽‽‽

Earth calling Parsons..that's all things in potential, where we don't even have identity. Meanwhile, there is the formation of the viewpoint or polarity, balancing opposites, etc. Also why would you want to regress to the viewpoint of a confused child?

[Parsons]

I guess I am thinking of this:

To begin to master the concept of mental discipline it is necessary to examine the self. The polarity of your dimension must be internalized. Where you find patience within your mind you must consciously find the corresponding impatience and vice versa. Each thought that a being has, has in its turn an antithesis. The disciplines of the mind involve, first of all, identifying both those things of which you approve and those things of which you disapprove within yourself, and then balancing each and every positive and negative charge with its equal. The mind contains all things. Therefore, you must discover this completeness within yourself.

[xise]

Zm, you do realize your language can push people away, right?

There are many ways to say something without causing personal catalyst due to language choice. Just an observation from my personal experience: I used to use similar language to yours below when I wanted to get under the skin of a witness on cross-examination.

I'm thinking this is reeking of incipient paranoia and the unhealthy framing can only lead to yet more difficulties (to blame on others...). You kinda have a history of buying into imaginative, fantasy notions (i.e. not being around after 2012 cause that was supposed to be harvest time) and[u] it would be sad to see you actually being carried away past the point of no return.

You can't experience both 'worlds'? You can't directly experience one reality while casually observing the other?

Are you not all things‽‽‽‽

Earth calling Parsons..that's all things in potential, where we don't even have identity. Meanwhile, there is the formation of the viewpoint or polarity, balancing opposites, etc. Also why would you want to regress to the viewpoint of a confused child?

[zenmaster]

Zm, you do realize your language can push people away, right?

There are many ways to say something without causing personal catalyst due to language choice. Just an observation from my personal experience: I used to use similar language to yours below when I wanted to get under the skin of a witness on cross-examination.

I'm thinking this is reeking of incipient paranoia and the unhealthy framing can only lead to yet more difficulties (to blame on others...). You kinda have a history of buying into imaginative, fantasy notions (i.e. not being around after 2012 cause that was supposed to be harvest time) and[u] it would be sad to see you actually being carried away past the point of no return.

You can't experience both 'worlds'? You can't directly experience one reality while casually observing the other?

Are you not all things‽‽‽‽

Earth calling Parsons..that's all things in potential, where we don't even have identity. Meanwhile, there is the formation of the viewpoint or polarity, balancing opposites, etc. Also why would you want to regress to the viewpoint of a confused child?

Because it's a completely valid and useful point Xise. If you present an ambiguous option which appeals to infinity, a non-ambiguous option which does not appeal to infinity will find its place.

Infinity can only unfold in the relative balance provided and if you say or imply something is actually some way, then you've just doomed yourself. You would, of course, not want to regress to the viewpoint of a confused child and you may want to consider why not rather than getting all caught up in identification with silly notions.

[BrownEye]

it is our lot, if we are honest, to live in duality and paradox. The dialogue of those paradoxical elements is the stuff of life. Surprisingly it is also the surest path towards unity. ~Robert Johnson's Inner Work

[Melissa]

Zen, the point that Xise is offering you is just as valid and useful. Perhaps something to consider, if you'd like people to actually 'hear' you. Chillax dawg.

[zenmaster]

Zen, the point that Xise is offering you is just as valid and useful.

Every single post is valid and useful...

[Unbound]

This thread alone has reduced the love coming from these forums.

Projection, little one.

And as far as "advanced spiritual info", that'd be a welcome addition to forum posts here.

I have a request, if you would fulfill it. Could you please make a thread or a post here on what you believe or would show or teach others that is "advanced spiritual info"? It is something I have seen debated in various regards here and in other places for some time and I admit I am somewhat baffled between "advanced" and "not-advanced" in that I have a hard time placing what is "beginning" info through to "advanced" info. Do you have any thoughts which may shed some light on this for me?

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Nevermind, I'll do it.