When does the spirit enter the body?

[Parsons]

This is -very- different from suicide indeed. I keep bumping into walk-in stories and Lincoln has made a cameo appearance in a dream recently This could very well be a new doorway I wasn't aware of until now.

I see very little difference in suicide vs bidding for a walk in. The only difference is someone gets to take over your rented physical vehicle. You are still choosing to end the incarnation either way. As you may be able to tell, I have considered this heavily in the past.

Misery loves company. So I will say that despite all I have learned and integrated over the years, I still become quite frustrated and weary of day to day existence at times. You are not alone, sister.

[Melissa]

I'm weary of the fact that I have no point of reference anymore and no one to relate to. After what I've experienced it has become clear to me that I'll never be able to have a somewhat normal existence here, which I don't mind as much because I don't care about individuality. Never did but it took me awhile to figure that out.

[Quan]

I'm weary of the fact that I have no point of reference anymore and no one to relate to. After what I've experienced it has become clear to me that I'll never be able to have a somewhat normal existence here, which I don't mind as much because I don't care about individuality. Never did but it took me awhile to figure that out.

With the quote " I'll never be able to have a somewhat normal existence here"
What can perceived as a normal existence for a materialistic life is not normal for a spiritual life and vice versa.. but then what is normal

[Melissa]

It has nothing to do with a materialistic or spiritual life.

[Quan]

It has nothing to do with a materialistic or spiritual life.

The comment was not relating to the Subject of the thread, I found humour in the comments about not having a normal existence and wanted to share that humour back

[Parsons]

I'm weary of the fact that I have no point of reference anymore and no one to relate to. After what I've experienced it has become clear to me that I'll never be able to have a somewhat normal existence here, which I don't mind as much because I don't care about individuality. Never did but it took me awhile to figure that out.

Can you not relate to any of us here on the forums? I realize that isn't the same thing as having a peer 'in real life', but I have come to appreciate it.

[Melissa]

Well, I have no real life anymore. And I did appreciate that I could relate to people when I first arrived here. That was before people began telling me what I was wearing, what was happening in my house and literally repeated conversations I'd just had. This happens everywhere I go online, and it was somewhat manageable until I began noticing the same stuff in daily life. Very subtle at first, until everything came crashing down, so to speak.

[xise]

....That was before people began telling me what I was wearing, what was happening in my house and literally repeated conversations I'd just had. This happens everywhere I go online, and it was somewhat manageable until I began noticing the same stuff in daily life. Very subtle at first, until everything came crashing down, so to speak.

I've had moments like this and I particularly enjoy them!

It's as if you, as the infinite Creator, is trying to tell yourself, as the incarnative self, something important.

What have you been trying to tell yourself?

[Parsons]

Its sounds as though you have identified a repeating catalyst, or major life lesson. Identifying such a catalyst is a step in the direction of learning the underlying lesson. If the lesson is truly learned, the repeated, intensifying catalyst will no longer be necessary.

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I have identified two major life lessons, but as of yet, have been unable to fully understand them. The associated catalysis have (somewhat surprisingly) lessened in severity, although are still present.

[Melissa]

[redacted, on second thought]

[zvonimir]

this what i found in Edgar Cayce material

“We hear the question, ‘What good will it do me to know that I lived as John Smith during the Revolution, or was a first settler, or that I was among those in the French Revolution, or a wine seller in such and such a period?’ Well, our soul, our entity is what it is today from how it has reacted to various experiences in the earth’s sphere.”
“How does the spirit find the body?” another asked.
“I do not believe that a soul enters until the breath of life is drawn. The soul doesn’t enter at conception.”

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/esp_cayce05_07.htm

[third-density-being]

Hello Dear Guardian,


I will answer your question based on Knowledge I’ve drawn from Words of Seth. However, I will not use any quotes, since this is a Strictly Law of One Material sub-Forum. I hope such compromise is/will be acceptable.

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First of all there are not only two steps of the “marriage” of Body and Consciousness. It is a gradual process of investing Self by Consciousness into the corporal form (Body). Some Consciousness investing Self very early (weeks after impregnation) and others are more “cautious” – some even invest Self after the Birth, to avoid a tremendous shock of Birth (which by the way is far greater than a physical death of the corporeal form).
But again, it later case it is not that Consciousness is “somewhere else” – It is with the Body, but It’s degree of investment is limited.

The gradual process of investing Self by the Consciousness into the Body continue with the growth of the child. At firs the subjective part is dominant and new/young Being is learning to operate within this reality (among others, the Ego is created / emerges to deal with material reality). Successively the investment of the Consciousness into the Body grows and objective reality starts to dominate over the subjective one. This is a process that takes years.

Consciousnesses of grown ups / mature People are fully invested and within Our mind-set (western culture) the subjective is considered as “secondary” in comparison to the objective perception / source of information/experience.

At the end of existence of corporal form (old age) the Consciousness is preparing Self to withdraw from the Body – and It does so gradually as well. As in case of “entering”, “exiting” also greatly vary – some Consciousnesses prefer to experience vividly old age and are invested to the end/death (even thought They do prepare Self for departure). Other Consciousnesses are partially leaving the corporal form before the end / death. In such cases old People – from the standpoint of fully invested into material reality – starts to operate less and less efficiently within this reality (i.e. senility).
In any case, Consciousness once again is turning to the subjective experience. In consequence Consciousness is less and less bound by “laws of the reality” and turning Self toward It’s Source (of non-material nature).

While the “journey” of the young-Ones from the subjective to the objective is widely accepted and perceived as “good”, the reverse process in case of older People is widely perceived as a negative, unwanted and a feared process. But in fact both (entering & exiting) are a transitory processes, each equally important and needed for Consciousness.

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I think it may be presented as:

      Subjectivity

         Birth

\                        /

 \                      /

  \                    /

   \                  /

    \                /

     \              /

      \            /

       \          /

        \        /

         \      /

      Objectivity

   mature-hood

         /     \

        /       \

       /         \

      /           \

     /             \

    /               \

   /                 \

  /                   \

 /                     \

/                       \

        Death

     Subjectivity

At this point I would like to underline, that Subjectivity is Infinite (unspecified), while Objectivity is finite/limited/narrow (specified).



All I have Best in me for You

[caycegal]

Hello Dear Guardian,


I will answer your question based on Knowledge I’ve drawn from Words of Seth. However, I will not use any quotes, since this is a Strictly Law of One Material sub-Forum. I hope such compromise is/will be acceptable.

---

First of all there are not only two steps of the “marriage” of Body and Consciousness. It is a gradual process of investing Self by Consciousness into the corporal form (Body). Some Consciousness investing Self very early (weeks after impregnation) and others are more “cautious” – some even invest Self after the Birth, to avoid a tremendous shock of Birth (which by the way is far greater than a physical death of the corporeal form).
But again, it later case it is not that Consciousness is “somewhere else” – It is with the Body, but It’s degree of investment is limited.

The gradual process of investing Self by the Consciousness into the Body continue with the growth of the child. At firs the subjective part is dominant and new/young Being is learning to operate within this reality (among others, the Ego is created / emerges to deal with material reality). Successively the investment of the Consciousness into the Body grows and objective reality starts to dominate over the subjective one. This is a process that takes years.

Consciousnesses of grown ups / mature People are fully invested and within Our mind-set (western culture) the subjective is considered as “secondary” in comparison to the objective perception / source of information/experience.

At the end of existence of corporal form (old age) the Consciousness is preparing Self to withdraw from the Body – and It does so gradually as well. As in case of “entering”, “exiting” also greatly vary – some Consciousnesses prefer to experience vividly old age and are invested to the end/death (even thought They do prepare Self for departure). Other Consciousnesses are partially leaving the corporal form before the end / death. In such cases old People – from the standpoint of fully invested into material reality – starts to operate less and less efficiently within this reality (i.e. senility).
In any case, Consciousness once again is turning to the subjective experience. In consequence Consciousness is less and less bound by “laws of the reality” and turning Self toward It’s Source (of non-material nature).

While the “journey” of the young-Ones from the subjective to the objective is widely accepted and perceived as “good”, the reverse process in case of older People is widely perceived as a negative, unwanted and a feared process. But in fact both (entering & exiting) are a transitory processes, each equally important and needed for Consciousness.

---

I think it may be presented as:

      Subjectivity

         Birth

\                        /

 \                      /

  \                    /

   \                  /

    \                /

     \              /

      \            /

       \          /

        \        /

         \      /

      Objectivity

   mature-hood

         /     \

        /       \

       /         \

      /           \

     /             \

    /               \

   /                 \

  /                   \

 /                     \

/                       \

        Death

     Subjectivity

At this point I would like to underline, that Subjectivity is Infinite (unspecified), while Objectivity is finite/limited/narrow (specified).



All I have Best in me for You

Thank you for this beutiful explanation of your thought process about spirit inhabiting body.  My thoughts are similar and I love the way you have presented it.  I have shared (copied) your paragraphs with someone close to me because it is so well formulated.

[syd3]

According to the Michael Newton books, a person would typically settle in from second trimester to just after birth and even later. A person who goes in right at/after conception might just check things over then go back out for awhile. Some go in and out a few times, for various reasons.

Greetings, New Site. Here's a quote from Edgar Cayce (Reading 457-101/F34): "It (the child's soul) may (enter) at the first moment of breath; it may some hours before birth; it may many hours after birth. This depends upon that condition, that environ surrounding the circumstance."

[AnthroHeart]

Since birth is more traumatic than death, many spirits wait till after birth to enter the body. Otherwise they're in and out of the body quite frequently. There's not much to do for a spirit inside the womb. So they visit other spirits.