12/21/2012: David Wilcock, Harvest, Ra, New Age Gurus. What does it all mean?

[Monica]

But what exactly are people?

In this context, I was referring to humans...3D entities currently inhabiting Planet Earth.

What exactly are you speaking of when you say 'they', 'we' and 'I'.

You are talking about identities that do not exist.

They do exist...in the illusion.

When you say 'lots of people' you are essentially speaking about One Entity.

No, I wasn't. I was speaking of distortions of the One...you, me, and other humans. To negate the reality of distortions is to negate the beauty and function of the illusion we reside in. All is One...and that includes the myriad distortions and illusions.

When you say there is no necessary reason for piercing the veil, you are essentially saying that there is no need for The One Consciousness to explore its potential opportunities and abilities.

...Prerequisite? There is none. Evolution is natural process of being.

Respectfully, you are missing the point. I have no quarrel with your spiritual journey. I was referring to the criteria for polarizing and harvest, as given by Ra.

Piercing the veil was never listed as a criterion for harvestability. It may be important to many entities for various reasons, but that it was never mentioned by Ra as any sort of 'key' or prerequisite. I was disputing your statement that it is THE key to spiritual evolution.

When you think in terms of 'your temporary identity' as being The One and Only, you are deliberately and intentionally limiting spiritual growth in the same way that Pickle does.

Pickle makes no bones about stating that he has no interest in becoming anything other than human. he clearly chooses to remain trapped in one experience for the eternity of his existence.

But this is not the case in reality because 'Pickle' will cease to exist upon the demise of that form, and that field of consciousness will move on to other states of being, regardless of the delusions of 'Pickle', the temporary form.

Once again, you are misrepresenting my views, and Pickle's also.

[BrownEye]

You are talking about identities that do not exist.

A Source group is made up of identities. A social memory complex is made up of identities. Ra is a label for a group of identities.

I have a wallet full of I.D.s. The cards are not me, yet the cards represent individual aspects of my experience. Each individual aspect/experience is real and is recorded.

Each negative identity remains a separate identity as a "lost soul". Sort of like an I.D. that gets lost. It remains separate as a still functioning identification until found or returned.

I remain a separate identity until merged with my "real" self. I am a memory bank. Artificial Intelligence. I will squeeze every last bit of enjoyment out of this experience while I continue to "run".

[Shin'Ar]

You are talking about identities that do not exist.

A Source group is made up of identities. A social memory complex is made up of identities. Ra is a label for a group of identities.

These are not identities. They are distortions, as Monica has accurately stated.

You are confusing the categorization process of the human attempt to comprehend self, with the actual identity of an entity which actually exists as the source of the distortions.

That is like calling the sound coming from a violin, the actual violin.

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I have a wallet full of I.D.s. The cards are not me, yet the cards represent individual aspects of my experience. Each individual aspect/experience is real and is recorded.

Precisely, recorded; memory. What you are referring to here is aspects of the experience of intelligent distortion and process. But an experience whether memory or ongoing, is not an entity. One cannot assign identity to a process. One does not give identity to a walk in the park or a car drive to the coast. these are experiences.

you are confusing identity with actual entity.

Each negative identity remains a separate identity as a "lost soul". Sort of like an I.D. that gets lost. It remains separate as a still functioning identification until found or returned.

I remain a separate identity until merged with my "real" self. I am a memory bank. Artificial Intelligence. I will squeeze every last bit of enjoyment out of this experience while I continue to "run".

So you are the process of an entity which has lost its self and is trying to recover its identity.

And considering that there is only One Consciousness, which I think you are in agreement with, then that true entity is The One and you are the process of that One trying to realize its true identity.

So, in what way does 'Pickle', the process, become The One, the true Entity?

Pickle, regardless of how many pictures he carries of his delusional self, regardless of how many people call him by that name, and regardless of how strongly he may believe he is an entity, or God, is really just that floating distortion/vibration wandering throughout the universe, taking many forms over countless ages.

This temporary aspect of 'Pickle', regardless of how much it enjoys its delusion, will come to an end and that vibration process will move on.

And there is absolutely nothing wrong with you 'squeezing out' every last drop of juice from this fruitful experience. That is what it is here for.

Enjoy if you are able whenever and as often as possible, while you are here.

BUT, as you go through these experiences, and you have been through many different ones already, there is an evolution of consciousness taking place whether you want to promote it and nurture it or not. The process which you are is not the only one affecting the state of being of The One Consciousness and the further growth of The All.

If yours was the only one, and even if it was, 'Pickle' could only make evolution slow down for the period of the 'Pickle' experience, and when that ends the next process/experience may have a very different outlook based upon the experience you have created while you were at the helm of that field of consciousness.

But can I be frank with you my friend?

I do not think that you are as simple as you pretend. I think you understand fully these things which I speak. I have no desire to insult you, nor do I gain any benefit from interacting with you in a way that would be unfriendly.

But I also realize that certain types just don't attract to each other. There is something about me that you have a distaste for, and that is perfectly natural. Hell, if I can annoy my wife, I can annoy anyone. She is a friggin Saint.

I think that you are simply tossing me bones that you know I will attempt to bury because you really don't like me, and anything that you can pose for discussion will simply be an attempt to push my buttons.

Now I know, I know, this sounds like I am now playing the butthurt card.

But really Pickle, there are a few people in this community who do not really have an affinity toward certain other members. And I do not have a problem with that.

But, is there any way that we can have a discussion, despite our differences of thought, where we actually consider what each other has to say and then try to sort out the aspects of the discussions which we might benefit from?

I know that every chance you get you will want to declare your enjoyment of the human experience, and despise anyone who challenges your desires.

You know that I relish the opportunities to discuss such things because I learn from the discussions and also hone my own thought processes.

So if you would really like to have discussions with me on these matters, great, let's continue. I enjoy, you enjoy.

But, I seriously consider everything which you offer up, (before I dismiss it, lol), so all I am asking is that you return the same.

Now my point to you is this, 'when you know that 'Pickle' is simply the identity adopted in this incarnation, why do you think of that 'temporarily adopted identity' as some sort of permanent entity which is going to continue to think and experience creation and the universe as 'Pickle'?

When you can answer that honestly, without the effort to simply push the buttons of others, you might also realize that the future experience of the field which 'Pickle' is now at the helm of, would certainly not benefit from remaining stuck in one pothole, when the whole road lies ahead waiting to be explored.

Yup, I just called your life a pothole.

Hey, its a great pothole, as potholes go, but the kid that takes pleasure jumping up and down in the same puddle over and over is usually the kid which requires some sort of treatment for some serious neurological disorder. You know, like that dog that just chases its tail around in a circle all day long, and having the greatest time ever because it just doesn't know any better.

Are the kid in the puddle or the dizzy dog missing out many more wonderful experiences? Of course they are, but do not try to get them to stop and listen to your direction.

Psssst! They have a 'problem'. They're 'spechal'.

Probably better to just let them have this incarnation the way they enjoy it best, and let the natural 'moving on' move them when the time comes. Run my fiend, run. Chase that tail and enjoy it. Splash in that puddle and enjoy it.

'Pickle' may not realize the many other puddles and tails which are waiting, but the 'NEXT' incarnation will, despite 'Pickle's' temporary relapse into complete cessation of evolution.

Many people. For example, lots of people in organized religions choose prayer and love, yet never have any awareness that they live in an illusion. It's common for Wanderers to pierce the veil, but it isn't a prerequisite for spiritual growth.

But what exactly are people?

What exactly are you speaking of when you say 'they', 'we' and 'I'.

You are talking about identities that do not exist.

They do exist...in the illusion.

Ah, then it is your definition of illusion that causes our differences in thinking.

For when you say illusion, what you are actually speaking of is delusion.

An illusion is by definition something which does not actually exist. Illusion is not s specific type of vibration.

A delusion is a deception of the consciousness where the intelligence is tricked by a perception of reality, where there is none.

Nothing actually exists in an illusion, nor in a delusion.

I think also that when you apply the term 'distortion' you do so with an understanding that distortion is some twisted or altered aspect of a vibration. This is how that word is often used in the English language. But that is not how Ra means to apply it.

I originally spent a great deal of time trying to realize this myself when I first came upon the Law of One as depicted by the Ra group.

When Ra applies the word 'distortion', it is simply used as a synonym for vibration. a distortion is a vibration; any vibration. It is in fact being referred to as a distortion of the stillness which was the All prior to Intelligent Energy.

When you say 'lots of people' you are essentially speaking about One Entity.

No, I wasn't. I was speaking of distortions of the One...you, me, and other humans. To negate the reality of distortions is to negate the beauty and function of the illusion we reside in. All is One...and that includes the myriad distortions and illusions.

Yes, we are distortions of The One. And so is each and every material form in the universe, as well as every single fragmented thought process/field of consciousness. All is vibration/distortion/process. But why do you continue to suggest that all of this is an illusion? Do you not believe that there actually is an intelligent Entity behind the process?

When Ra speaks of illusion it refers to the fact that all of this form which we observe and interact with, is not really what it seems according to our human perception of it.

Ra is not suggesting that all of this is an illusion/unreal, it is simply revealing that our human perception of the reality is both delusional, which causes that 'deluded perception' to be an illusion, while the 'true reality' remains exactly what it is all around us, and including us.

There are no illusions except in the mistaken perception of the consciousness.

When you say there is no necessary reason for piercing the veil, you are essentially saying that there is no need for The One Consciousness to explore its potential opportunities and abilities.

...Prerequisite? There is none. Evolution is natural process of being.

Respectfully, you are missing the point. I have no quarrel with your spiritual journey. I was referring to the criteria for polarizing and harvest, as given by Ra.

Thank you dear Monica. But, is not the point of harvest, and polarization, according to Ra's explanations, the evolving process of consciousness?

Are you not doing as Pickle does, and simply tossing aside the whole, just to experience the fragment alone, in defiance of, and/or ignorance of the universal design process? When you think in terms of 'your temporary identity' as being The One and Only, you are deliberately and intentionally limiting spiritual growth in the same way that Pickle does.

Piercing the veil was never listed as a criterion for harvestability. It may be important to many entities for various reasons, but that it was never mentioned by Ra as any sort of 'key' or prerequisite. I was disputing your statement that it is THE key to spiritual evolution.

Well we would have to avoid this discussion because I cannot state with any authority everything that Ra has stated in the Law of One, as I am not that well studied in it yet. But from what I have managed to discern, the harvest was supposed to be a crucial point in time at which some transformation was to occur of the human experience which would result in STS and STO being separated from each other.

I would think that achieving the goal of ending up in the world that you wanted to end up in would be key to one's spiritual evolution.

However, I have not been a keen advocate of such a harvest and always referred to it only for the sake of discussion with those who did believe in such a thing.


Pickle makes no bones about stating that he has no interest in becoming anything other than human. He clearly chooses to remain trapped in one experience for the eternity of his existence. But this will not be the case in reality, because 'Pickle' will cease to exist upon the demise of that form, and that field of consciousness will move on to other states of being, regardless of the delusions of 'Pickle', the temporary form.

Once again, you are misrepresenting my views, and Pickle's also.

I may be misrepresenting yours, but I have no doubt about Pickle's. He has made that very clear to me over the last year or so. He is a caveman, and wants to cherish every second of it while he can. That's great, for him. Not so great for The All.

Exactly how am I misrepresenting yours?

When you refer to 'people', you do so with the thinking that each is an identity/entity. And because of that perception you establish an illusion, for these are not entities, but thought processes, in my opinion. An illusion is not reality, and your acceptance of it and nurturing of it would be delusion.

How does my thinking in this regard misrepresent you?

[BrownEye]

He has made that very clear to me over the last year or so. He is a caveman, and wants to cherish every second of it while he can. That's great, for him. Not so great for The All.

So wait, why did the "All" come into illusion in the first place? It sounds as if this "all" placed itself in the illusion yet you say it is supposed to focus on finding its way out of the illusion?

Or are we simply gatherers of experience? As I said, I am artificial intelligence, and I accept that. As an ego, communicating to you now, I am artificial. I do not need a belief structure to help me feel good about my self, or to believe I am the real self. The real self is at my side, and I continue my "job". I have no delusions of being a god (yet).

[Shin'Ar]

He has made that very clear to me over the last year or so. He is a caveman, and wants to cherish every second of it while he can. That's great, for him. Not so great for The All.

So wait, why did the "All" come into illusion in the first place? It sounds as if this "all" placed itself in the illusion yet you say it is supposed to focus on finding its way out of the illusion?

Or are we simply gatherers of experience? As I said, I am artificial intelligence, and I accept that. As an ego, communicating to you now, I am artificial. I do not need a belief structure to help me feel good about my self, or to believe I am the real self. The real self is at my side, and I continue my "job". I have no delusions of being a god (yet).

Well, first of all I don't acknowledge that we are in some illusion.

And secondly I would have to ask, 'what is it that you suppose your real 'self' to be?

[Monica]

For when you say illusion, what you are actually speaking of is delusion.

No, they're not the same.

An illusion is by definition something which does not actually exist. Illusion is not s specific type of vibration.

Not true. The chemical illusion we reside in does indeed exist.

Nothing actually exists in an illusion, nor in a delusion.

Not true. We exist.

I think also that when you apply the term 'distortion' you do so with an understanding that distortion is some twisted or altered aspect of a vibration.

Nope. I am referring to the term as used by Ra.

When Ra applies the word 'distortion', it is simply used as a synonym for vibration. a distortion is a vibration; any vibration. It is in fact being referred to as a distortion of the stillness which was the All prior to Intelligent Energy.

When you say 'lots of people' you are essentially speaking about One Entity.

Just curious: Have you read and studied all of the Law of One books, Shin'Ar? If so, do they form the foundation of your beliefs, or did you take some elements and fit them into an already-existing structure of belief?

No judgment towards you either way. But, if the Law of One is just a small piece of your greater spirituality, then that might explain why our understanding of it is different. For me, and for many others in this online community, the Law of One is our foundation, so our views may tend to be different from yours for that reason.

[Shin'Ar]

For when you say illusion, what you are actually speaking of is delusion.

Not true. We exist.

But as WHAT? That is the crux of the human dilemma with identity, delusion and cosmic oneness.

What is a 'we'? What is an 'I'?

You and Pickle think it is the temporary form you utilize at this time.

I think it is far more complicated and complex than that. I do not see myself as the form of Shin'Ar. That is the vehicle which the field of consciousness uses to interact with other material forms of similar vibration.

I suppose this would just go in a circle forever. There is an inability to adequately make a point which can result in any sort of mutual understanding, so it makes greater sense to abort the effort.

Just curious: Have you read and studied all of the Law of One books, Shin'Ar? If so, do they form the foundation of your beliefs, or did you take some elements and fit them into an already-existing structure of belief?

No judgment towards you either way. But, if the Law of One is just a small piece of your greater spirituality, then that might explain why our understanding of it is different. For me, and for many others in this online community, the Law of One is our foundation, so our views may tend to be different from yours for that reason.

I think you would find that there are many seekers in this community who are not attaching to the Ra Material as though it is a new religion to be professed and idolized.

There are many here who, like myself, study the Ra material to discern from it what correlates with their overall understandings.

Those who do not, and that may have adopted the Ra material as some sort of gospel which cannot be argued and needs no discernment, do so in ignorance or defiance of Ra's very specific declaration that everything that they offer for information must be discerned according to the comprehensive abilities of each person receiving it.

Be careful with what you establish as the foundation of your 'beliefs', because if that foundation suddenly collapses, nothing else will survive the destruction.

I would say that the foundation of this and any community should always be honesty and love.

And being honest with ourselves first, will result in the further nurturing of our honesty toward others.

But, should we deliberately dwell in delusion, regardless of any chosen foundation or belief as the reason for that delusion, then the only thing that will be further nurtured is the delusion.

When I study the Law of One I do not do so with the passion to memorize each and every verse as though a Christian learning their Bible.

I have no desire to read each and every verse in some belief that the very words are sacred to me because of their origins. I see no runes or enchantments in the Ra Material.

I study the material as information offered that seems to relate to many things that I have similar understanding of. I also find some material there that I believe is severely inaccurate, and tainted with the same vulnerability to misunderstanding that all forms of consciousness would suffer.

So you see Monica, it is not just our views that differ, it is more that if you are placing all your faith in the material without any desire to question it, then anything other than the Ra material, that anyone would have to offer you, would be met with indifference.

[Steppingfeet]

The more interesting, and relevant, question in my mind is to elucidate the tenuous link between David Wilcock's concept of "ascension" and what was actually said in the Ra material. There seems to be a big question mark as to how this link was made, and why it was never openly refuted by L/L Research.

Analyzing and discussing the merits of any conclusion drawn from the pages of the Law of One material is a worthwhile discussion. As the Bring4th Forums testify, a multiplicity of conclusions may be drawn from a single sentence, much less from various pieces of data mined throughout and synthesized from the series.

How well or not well DW drew upon the Law of One to support his suppositions in the article, “Law of One and 2012: The Facts!”, and whether the Law of One books actually support his position, is a great conversation to have. And as Aaron indicated, there is a place for that.

As to L/L Research openly refuting his position, is there precedent for this? Does L/L Research publicly refute or repudiate the positions of others? Especially in light of the fact that there are a plurality of interpretations that may be brought to bear on the material?

To claim objective, authoritative, infallible interpretation regarding what the material says is, in my opinion, a step away from supporting that radical notion that the seeker is his or her own authority. To do so would be to make the same error that "Law of One and 2012: The Facts!" made: to present ones interpretation as being absolute, as being the interpretation. Given its role in producing the Confederation material combined with its experience in this particular field, L/L Research has certainly gained in wisdom and may indeed be a helpful source for guidance regarding the material, but L/L Research is not an arbiter of that which the material says vs that which it doesn't. (Which doesn’t of course preclude L/L from offering its opinion nevertheless if it so chooses.)

Of course some items are black and white. Ra said that third density comes before fourth density in the chronological sequence. But theories regarding how the transition to fourth density will unfold are open to a spectrum of interpretation, especially in light of the incomplete and puzzling information bequeathed to us by those of Ra.

That we all could go "poof" when that "discrete boundary" is crossed still holds water. As does the theory that we will live out our natural lives and meet natural, by the standards of this density, ends. In my opinion, Ra didn't settle this one definitively. Consequently I think it unlikely that any of us will fare better in nailing it down to one scenario or the other.

Which is why I always suggest to the inquiring seeker that, while interesting, questions regarding what precisely will happen on Dec 21, or with respect to the transition, can be distracting. Within the present moment are our opportunities for service, and our experience of who we are. : )

Much love, GLB

[Monica]

So you see Monica, it is not just our views that differ, it is more that if you are placing all your faith in the material without any desire to question it, then anything other than the Ra material, that anyone would have to offer you, would be met with indifference.

Well then it's a good thing that's not what I'm doing!

[Monica]

You and Pickle think it is the temporary form you utilize at this time.

LOL! Nope.

[almostdone]

Going back to D Wilcock's analysis of 2012, I was reading some parts of this essay he wrote:
http://divinecosmos.com/start-here/artic...-the-facts

I realized he continues to make the mistake (so it seems) of connecting 2012 with the Ra material --again, we only have "approximations". If you substitute "2012" in that essay by...2013-14-15, that is "approximated time" then the analysis is, I think, very sound overall (although with the quotes that are relevant to prove the point, which leaves many other parts out, but is there any other way to do these things?...

I have to tell you, I never gave a thought to 2012 (or 2011) before reading the Ra material. That is because it seems the only quote about the gradual approach, like DW points out, is the one mentioning 100-700 years.

Funny thing is that even people that claim that "something happened" on the 21st, are committing the same mistake, I think, than the ones then blaming DW for not being "ascension" and "nothing happened". For, there is no direct connection between that date and the Ra material. Still, thinking that there is a gradual happening to Harvest has the same validity as a sudden one on today's date Dec 31st 2012. 2012 has not changed anything...Dec 21/12 has not proved anything...

Something does not feel quite right with all this. Even as a mentioned in a previous post, the only hint of Harvest we have at the end of the second cycle, a "light being" (moreover from the Confederation!) appears.

We became so fixated with 2012 because of the desire of changes. And a gradual system does not mean things would not change rapidly.

[Cyan]

Having wrote and deleted a long answer.

I'll just say, LOL! Nope indeed.

Edit: meaning to the Monica part about who "i think" of myself to be.

[BrownEye]

And secondly I would have to ask, 'what is it that you suppose your real 'self' to be?

A dragon. A human. Technically, it is all of reality. I am a program within this reality.

[GentleReckoning]

And secondly I would have to ask, 'what is it that you suppose your real 'self' to be?

A dragon. A human. Technically, it is all of reality. I am a program within this reality.

Dragons represent!

I had a fantastic dream when I was younger of turning into a dragon and flying to school. After chatting with cyan, I'm manifested some giant dragon wings, and often imagine being huge, awesome, and flying around.

Having just read some of the recent interactions in this thread, I'm glad I ignored it for so long. The nitpicking of ideas going on could all be considered things that are not to be truly known in 3rd density.

[Lavazza]

Yossarian:

For what it's worth, I too fell in to the expectation trap. Not concerning 12/21/2012, but of 10/14/2008. Back in the summer of '08 I got tuned in to a channeler by the name of Blossom Goodchild, who was supposedly transmitting the information of the 'Federation of Light'. The prediction was that there would be a massive UFO sighting on that day. Meaning, some kind of *huge* ship or ships would appear in the skies, presumably for the betterment of mankind. I was totally in to this and super excited... and obviously, nothing happened that day (in any time zone). After that I was pretty crestfallen. Looking back now- it was extremely irrational of me to become so invested in an idea with absolutely no evidence of any kind to support it. If I were to explain myself I would say it was a combination of wishful thinking, naivety, charismatic writing (the channeling), and a lack of discernment in general. I wasn't super young at the time either, in 2008 I was 28. But nevertheless not well practiced in skeptical thinking.

This experience of mine in 08 is a little different from this 12/21/12 thing though, because it seems like *a lot* of people in the new age community backed it (instead of just one source) and people such as Wilcock, who are really good at putting together different bits of information to make a case for something were in to it too. Also I know a lot of people here had made the Dec 21 connection with the Ra material which added further gravity to the prediction. When I first read about the idea that we'd all die and be raptured on David Wilcocks site, I admit I was apprehensive and fearful for a period of weeks. Fortunately for me I later read the Law of One books for myself, talked with people online and decided that the gradulalist idea was what I believed. My experience with the 10/14/08 date may have influenced me too.

Lastly... it's clear you're upset about the non-event, and I honestly can sympathize with my past experience as it is. Lately I've been taking opportunities to skeptically re-analyze all of my beliefs to see what holds water (to me). Maybe the major benefit of such a widespread disappointment (the non-rapture on 12/21/12) is that people will have an honest chance to rethink everything.

Also, I'm not sure if this will be helpful coming from a metaphysical source and all, but one of my favorite Ra quotes comes from 8.1: "Each entity will receive the opportunity that each needs." For what it's worth!

Ankh:

Totally awesome job putting together all those quotes!!! You helped me learn something I'd missed before- Don asks for the date of harvest, and Ra responds with the "approximate time/space nexus". Time/space... it's right there, explicitly written- the harvest takes place in time/space- it's a time/space phenomenon. If the harvest was going to take place as a doomsday type scenario, Ra surely would have said "approximate space/time nexus" instead! Good catch.

[Monica]

Don asks for the date of harvest, and Ra responds with the "approximate time/space nexus". Time/space... it's right there, explicitly written- the harvest takes place in time/space- it's a time/space phenomenon. If the harvest was going to take place as a doomsday type scenario, Ra surely would have said "approximate space/time nexus" instead! Good catch.

:exclamation:

[yossarian]

David Wilcock's website is down

maybe it ascended?

[Oldern]

David Wilcock's website is down

maybe it ascended?

All you needed to ascend with him was to buy his book for $29.95 only!

[yossarian]

David Wilcock's website is down

maybe it ascended?

All you needed to ascend with him was to buy his book for $29.95 only!

Unfortunately I did buy all his books

still here

[Oldern]

David Wilcock's website is down

maybe it ascended?

All you needed to ascend with him was to buy his book for $29.95 only!

Unfortunately I did buy all his books

still here

Whao... then your first post is a bit more justified. Should have included that info in that. (or did I simply miss it?)

For me, that is what differentiates someone who does not want to get rich on others and someone who does. LLResearch provides all transcripts for free. Why would not it? If what one has to say needs a book to detail, and that book is not provided free...well.

[Monica]

I think maybe one aspect of this is to teach the New Age community to not be so smug towards those they consider spiritually less evolved. How many of us smirked when that preacher was saying the world would end in May? We smirked and laughed at the stupidity of the people who gave away all their possessions because they believed so strongly they'd be raptured up. After all, it said so in their Bible! And New Agers laughed.

The whole 2012 thing was pretty much the New Agers' version of the Christian rapture idea. We did the very same thing they did. We just thought we were smarter about it. We believed an ancient calendar, that had been proven accurate, instead of an ancient book that had already been proven inaccurate. So we were more intellectual about it.

And, we had Ra's teachings to back up that calendar! Never mind that Ra never actually said we'd go poof on a certain date. A lot of that just got piggy backed onto the Mayan calendar phenomenon.

Even those of us who weren't poofers - we prided ourselves on believing the planet would, as Q'uo said, "move serenely on" - still secretly hoped something dramatic would happen on Dec. 21. I didn't think we'd all go poof, but I sure did want to see some major change, like an end to wars.

So, it turns out that many, if not most, of us are all a little bit like those Christians after all! Maybe instead of smirking at them, we can acknowledge that we are, essentially, the same. We too wanted to be saved. We too wanted some Big Day when it would all get better. We just chose thought it would be aliens saving us, instead of Jesus.

And our New Age gurus maybe aren't so different from the Christian pastors. Most of them mean well and truly believe what they're preaching. But they too get caught up in the glitz and glamour of being famous. After awhile, their message gets tainted, despite their genuine intention of wanting to help others.

So maybe the lesson here is to have more compassion for those people who drink the kool-aid. Because, to some degree or another, whether we admit it or not, we drank it too!

And, to have more compassion for those who serve the kool-aid as well! Yikes, just think of the magnitude of the karma they may face, for unintentionally (or intentionally) influencing so many people with teachings that turned out to be largely false, or, at the very least, distorted. Surely they carry a heavy responsibility, being in the limelight like that, and being tempted in ways we can't even imagine. I don't envy them at all.

Meanwhile, another lesson is to recognize the changes that really DID happen. OK, we didn't go poof, but can we honestly say nothing happened? Maybe it did but we were looking in the wrong place. Instead of looking in the outer world, maybe we need to be looking within. Maybe the change is really within us. Maybe, if we look, we will find an increased ability to love, have compassion, and feel joy. Maybe the love vibes really have increased, and are all around us, and we just need to attune to them. Not wait for them. Proactively seek them on our own.

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[caycegal]

I think maybe one aspect of this is to teach the New Age community - - -

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I like your post. Not sure what I expected, but I'm not feeling disappointed. I'm in the midst of learning on my spiritual path every day, and do feel a lot of good is happening.

When Jesus performed a miracle he usually said, "Go and tell no one." Of course people ran out and yelled it from the roof-tops despite what he said. The lesson I have drawn from this is that it is too easy to take "miracle" and turn it into a means of getting attention, or fame, or power, thus corrupting its simple significance.

A miracle can be simply saying, "Wouldn't it be nice if the sun came out today." The sun comes out. Was it listening to my words? Who knows, but that can be the story I tell myself.

The spiritual teachers in the old Zen and Hindu and Buddhist stories were not so much into mass marketing and gathering huge followings as in being focused in their inner lives.

[untilbeyond]

Wishful thinking.... rarely pans out. Right?

DW did share much from insiders that can now be regarded as wishful thinking. Everything he passes on from "insiders" needs that grain of salt... I now realize.

I hope that most of us are still in agreement that ETs have been interacting and intervening with humanity since the planet was
terra-formed.


When the shadow gov't got into psy-ops, time travel, looking glass and remote viewing.... they discovered that they (the negative elite) were losing control of the planet after 2010. For sure by 2029. That's what they saw when they acquired the ability to see into the future.

That's part of why they worked (changing the past to alter the future) so hard to invent a timeline where they could sustain control. That was the a huge part of why nuclear Armageddon had the perverse appeal. It felt like their only chance.

So we do have proof of intervention. Hundreds of witness can testify to the malfunction of nuclear technology. The positive hierarchy made it clear that destroying the planet would not be an option.

I expected to see more disclosure along these lines in 2012. Disclosure about ET visitors, and negative ETs who helped Hitler prior to helping the winners of WWII.... what a massive paradigm shift!

I believe that JFK had info about the aliens and wished to disclose at least some of what he knew, which became one of at least five reasons why the negative powers took him out. Subsequent presidents have been severely restricted from all sensitive information of this nature. Clinton acknowledged that one of the things he was most looking forward to prior to becoming president was access to sensitive information, along the lines of ET discoveries and who killed JFK. He was locked out. He said publicly after he was out of office that as soon as he became president, he discovered there was a government with the gov't that he had no control over. ONLY A TENTH OF THE POPULATION IS AWARE OF THIS.


However the awareness is increasing. From positive insiders who risk their life by speaking out. It has been disappointing that it couldn't go faster.

For people who see themselves as wanderers, and also fathom what that means.... it could be seen as a blessing for their to be some delay regarding the harvest. A large and rapid harvest corresponds with a sharp decline in human population. Whatever people are into would be interrupted either forever, or it gets revived elsewhere. With a different body. The Ra Materiel and subsequent channeling by the Casiopaeans usually gave the window of 2010-2013.

If we don't see the massive reshuffling within the next 365 days, there will be some reckoning or adjustment around the LOO concept and timing of the Harvest. I would welcome the opportunity to keep my current body for a few more decades. I'm glad I didn't die this year... also I don't personally require harvesting. I'm a wanderer. And a traveler. I'm here to facilitate a shift in consciousness, as I believe y'all are. For regular humans, I'm enthusiastic about their prospective evolutionary breakthrough.

A slower harvest might improve the overall result. However, RA and the Cassiopaens made reference to cycle change as the primary time where harvesting can take place. They said the harvest was zero last time, which I find entirely unfathomable.

Nobody was polarizing to 51% positive or 90% negative. How could that be?



This is the concept. Without our influence, progress is much more difficult. And without the negative hierarchy, who's going to keep us on
our toes?

Back to Wilcock. Was he over-optimistic now that we have the 20/20 hindsight? Yes.

Were we foolish or gullible to hold an unrealistic vision of relief from negative rulership? Maybe, maybe not. Holding a positive vision of anything has merit.

Massive paradigm shifts have been building up since the Renaissance.
Change is still accelerating. How can that not result in a phase transition? Predicting the date of the transition is like trying to pick the top or bottom of a market.

We are sustaining a massive population. Not good or bad... just impressive, given the existing turmoil and potential for cataclysmic turmoil, 100X beyond what we currently endure.

I'm new on this site. Joined so I could mingle with others who've studied LOO, Ra, Cassiopaeans and other coaching from sixth
density.

I found Ra Materiel, particularly the harvest mechanics to be enigmatic.
Being a wanderer, or I call it humanoid... not enigmatic.

There are two completely different types of humans on the planet. Humanoid wanderers have maybe 100X more planetary experience compared to "humans."

I look forward to reading the Wanderer Experiences. This post caught me eye as I'm also aware that DW and this insiders who inform him have some back-peddling in relation to the prediction that apparently came from the positive hierarchy that the negatives would only dominate this planet until the end of 2012. DW was function as a reporter in this regard. Some of his inside sources have been invalidated around this topic, or else the "bad guys" have overruled the agenda from on high.... or management has revised the plan or the execution of the plan. It is a valid consideration. I hope DW can be a little more upfront about his own disappointment with some of his sources, and how he got fooled from time to time. The fact that he's not perfect actually allows me to appreciate him more.

[ScottK]

This post caught me eye as I'm also aware that DW and this insiders who inform him have some back-peddling in relation to the prediction that apparently came from the positive hierarchy that the negatives would only dominate this planet until the end of 2012. DW was function as a reporter in this regard. Some of his inside sources have been invalidated around this topic, or else the "bad guys" have overruled the agenda from on high.... or management has revised the plan or the execution of the plan. It is a valid consideration. I hope DW can be a little more upfront about his own disappointment with some of his sources, and how he got fooled from time to time. The fact that he's not perfect actually allows me to appreciate him more.

Hi there untilbeyond,

I highlighted this part of your post just to say that this was certainly not faulty information. The shift is getting really close.

Look at this like you're building a shed in your backyard. You say that you should have the shed finished in a month. So you start building. First, you pour the footers - once they're dry, you measure them again and you find out that one is off and needs to be re-poured. Then you start building, Your lumber dealer runs out of a particular kind of wood, then once that comes in, you hurt yourself building it. So the one month project turns into a three month project. The people behind the scenes doing the heavy lifting here are neither infallible nor not subject to cabal interference. They are very subject to unforeseen delays. That's what's going on.

And most of the good guys would love to tell the whole story - problem is, the cabal would shut them down and delay further with full knowledge of what's going on. There is "management" on planet earth and rules for the cabal, believe it or not, but it doesn't work as swiftly as one might think.

I know that leaves people very frustrated, and they want the successful conclusion to this war (and make no mistake, there is a war going on), but people are just going to have to wait. A little support to the folks bringing about this shift would be really helpful, even if only through prayer.

Speaking of psy-ops, 12/21/12, nesara, etc, have all been massive psy-ops. Talk of aliens coming to fix our problems, taking people away on space ships, ascension has seemingly been designed for one purpose - to divert relatively aware people's attention away from doing things to fix our world. Actually, look at the movie industry too - action movies. There's always the one superhuman hero who come in and saves the day.

The reality is that the only way to fix this mess of an illusion we live in is through massive COLLECTIVE action. That is, all of us being unigue individuals, however, finding the common ground most of us share, and taking action. The cabal wants us to continue to wait for someone to come along and solve our problems for us. There are people who will help along the way, but collectively, we will determine our fate in this illusion..

There will be no extraterrestrials coming, nor any magic wand waved to fix our problems for us. Say you are the mother of an early teen child. That child really messes up her bedroom. Would you 1) Clean up the room for your child, or 2) Make the child clean it up themselves? Which choice has greater spiritual value?

[untilbeyond]

Well, here's another consideration. Our subjective relationship with time: The days are flying by faster and faster. And then, on occasion I find it slowing down to where an hour feels more like 90 minutes.

I was told in 1979 that time would speed up in such a way that subjectively the 24-day of 2000 would feel like about 18 or 20 hours. Something to do with the vibration of the planet increasing having a corresponding temporal dynamic. Came from this guy: www.maharishiphotos.com/healing.html

And tLoO explains about how our relationship with time will be quite different in fourth density bodies.

So there is some validation in the very large context.

I totally agree about nsa psy-op agenda you describe. It's so refreshing to interface with consciousness! Thank you.

[AnthroHeart]

I was given the choice a few times to leave, and I chose to stay and support my mom and my dogs. Plus a few ET visitations that I don't remember, but had evidence of.

So overall, is the energy slightly more positive now than negative? I wouldn't want to have found myself in a timeline that's slightly more negative. How are things changing? For the better? I have hope. I have a whole Universe in me that I love very much!

[AnthroHeart]

I don't know, days feel slower for me lately. I'm counting the hours. I'm a little disappointed that nothing seemed to happen that was obvious. I spent Dec 21, 2012 in jail because I went mentally insane and made a mistake.

I'm not sure now if I've been given the choice to leave or not. I probably would have taken them, that's how fragile my ego has been. Energy doesn't feel much different than it did a year ago. Not sure about how 4D energies are coming in. And it frustrates me a little bit. How much can I really do being here. They say we're shining light/love by just being here. But I can't say that for sure if I'm making a difference. I try to turn to my guardian angel, but just get confused energies.

[xise]

I don't know, days feel slower for me lately. I'm counting the hours. I'm a little disappointed that nothing seemed to happen that was obvious. I spent Dec 21, 2012 in jail because I went mentally insane and made a mistake.

I'm not sure now if I've been given the choice to leave or not. I probably would have taken them, that's how fragile my ego has been. Energy doesn't feel much different than it did a year ago. Not sure about how 4D energies are coming in. And it frustrates me a little bit. How much can I really do being here. They say we're shining light/love by just being here. But I can't say that for sure if I'm making a difference. I try to turn to my guardian angel, but just get confused energies.

Full moons can be intense. But they are also periods of great potential learning because of distortions of the subconscious mind that temporarily become more concious and manifest as uncomfortable emotions and energies. Just another reason to go deep within the self.

[Hototo]

I don't know, days feel slower for me lately. I'm counting the hours. I'm a little disappointed that nothing seemed to happen that was obvious. I spent Dec 21, 2012 in jail because I went mentally insane and made a mistake.

Really, I spent mine in a decent hotel in Amsterdam smoking out the window and watching Dr. House explain the concept of brain damage as both perceived by the soul and not perceived by the soul in the brain in the last episodes of that show.

Was a great learning experience. Like most others, it feels like absolute crap and like the worst pits of hell when I'm in one of those moments, but its the pressure, the hellscape, the darkness of the soul that reaches out into my depths and brings out the best in me. So I dont feel discouraged when in those moments, I feel challenged, energized, inspired by the universe to prove my mettle. You're not going to get the best of me yet other-self, I'll wriggle out of your net yet!

I'm not sure now if I've been given the choice to leave or not. I probably would have taken them, that's how fragile my ego has been. Energy doesn't feel much different than it did a year ago. Not sure about how 4D energies are coming in. And it frustrates me a little bit. How much can I really do being here. They say we're shining light/love by just being here. But I can't say that for sure if I'm making a difference. I try to turn to my guardian angel, but just get confused energies.

*hug*

[isis]

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