12/21/2012: David Wilcock, Harvest, Ra, New Age Gurus. What does it all mean?

[BrownEye]

[Shin'Ar]

[quote='Shin'Ar' pid='109985' dateline='1356279527']
[quote='Pickle' pid='109979' dateline='1356278872']


What do you mean by this?
You have an issue with germans?

Uh Oh! lol!

BTW, Animal is one of my favorite characters of all time.

[BrownEye]

I myself was obsessed with the zombie apocalypse and post apocalyptic societies before I awoke.

[Shin'Ar]

I myself was obsessed with the zombie apocalypse and post apocalyptic societies before I awoke.

Freakin hilarious!

[Oldern]

Shin'Ar, wonderful post. I agree with you completely on it.

[Immortalis Vigil]

I had a latent hope that this dream would end and I would go home on December 21. However, this hope was accompanied by little belief, and its dashing was accompanied by little disappointment. We must look within if we are to find the light. There will be no external salvation, either by alien or cosmic intervention. Part of becoming a co-Creator is taking responsibility for yourself and the creation.

We must make a better world by daily living as though it is already here. We must heed the old wisdom and be the change we wish to see in the world. Perhaps that sounds glib in the midst of despair, but it will not lead you astray. The new wisdom is but a repackaging of the old, because some truths are eternal. Live mindfully, and treat yourself and all things as a sacred aspect of the Creator, and you cannot go wrong. At worse you will live a beautiful lie, that will leave the world a more peaceful, kinder and more environmentally sustainable place than when you found it.

[yossarian]

Shin'Ar you're just way, way off. Your entire post is trying to psychologically analyse me and it's predicated on an accurate analysis. But you're way off because you have failed to genuinely empathize with me. Others in this thread successfully have empathized with me, and empathy is identical to understanding. So they understand me and so their comments hit home.

But you don't understand me. Not for a lack of my self-expression. And starting at a place of failing to understand me, you just run with it and go on a long attempt to tell me what's going on with me. You want to educate me on myself, but in this case I really do know myself far better than you know me.

In addition, it's not compassionate to characterize someone's anger as "throwing a tantrum." That is blatant mockery, equating a person with a toddler who gets upset over nothing legitimate.

It's not compassionate or kind to imply that I'm "reading into things" where nothing is there. I'm not reading into things when I say that Shin'Ar is obsessed with talking down to me as if he has higher wisdom and as if he is both entitled and qualified to talk down to me. This is just a fact. You don't talk to me or anyone else as an equal, you don't directly address what we're saying, you assume superiority and then try to "teach" us even when we have not asked to be taught.

Likewise, Pickle's comments ARE mockery because they make light of a serious subject. You don't go to someone's funeral (where people are feeling deeply serious) and start making clowny jokes. You don't go to a Holocaust memorial and then laugh at the anger of a Holocaust survivor. "Just feel love dude! Stop all that frowny faces! LOL WHY U SO BUTTHURT?" These actions are completely inappropriate and it seems that many of the people here are utterly socially incompetent and incapable of understanding this.

At first I was shocked and offended, but now I am understanding that some of you guys are just truly so far gone. Spirituality for you hasn't been a way to connect and find love it has been a way to disconnect into an isolated world of oddness, a schizoaffective world where you're utterly alone. It makes sense that you guys spend so much time posting on the internet: you probably have dysfunctional relationships in real life.

So anyway, keep being weird, condescending, inappropriate, holier-than-thou. Keep characterizing perfectly normal human anger as some kind of vastly abstract failing on the part of the person who is angry, rather than as genuine offence due to offensive parties being offensive.

[Shin'Ar]

These actions are completely inappropriate and it seems that many of the people here are utterly socially incompetent and incapable of understanding this.

It makes sense that you guys spend so much time posting on the internet: you probably have dysfunctional relationships in real life.

Finally you are beginning to realize who we are here in this community.

Now keep adding and see what you can further put together.

Wanderers and seekers are not conformed to societal standards.

We already realize that. It is our common bond here.

[caycegal]

Even Edgar Cayce channeled predictions of mass events that did not occur when predicted. He also said that all could be modified by our mass consciousness and free will. The thoughts and attitudes of every person are important, and the more aligned an individual is with source energy, the more impact that individual has on mass consciousness.

I feel my consciousness shifting - I bet many others on this forum do also.

To take another example from Cayce: Those close to him suspected that some of the more dire sounding predictions came from a different source.

[zenmaster]

Ra said Cayce 'channelled' the collective unconscious. But that's what everyone does to a greater or lesser extent everyday. We're all part of that planetary mind.

Individually, we have certain biases of how we would like to see events unfold for us. Some individuals will find others and 'channel' entities which will be used to exaggerate or reinforce those biases. That's the nature of how we may use the intuition which simply attempts to perceive how things are and how things may be. So strong are the imagined stories from this perception that they may garner hope and of course the associated attachments. Is this really not expected? Are we really surprised that due to lack of sufficient honesty, some will overextend merely what they want to unfold as being the actual physical and historical reality?

This is the type of fantasy where participation is, for the most part, optional. It may become non-optional, however, when enough collective desire and sincere belief is engaged, as both the collective and the individual have lessons to learn.

[Richard]

Yossarian...it really ain't the end of the world. Metaphysically or ...realistically. Its always been about you and your relationship with the creator using whatever belief metaphor you resonate with.

Everything else is just window dressing. Channels and/or Channelling included.

[irpsit]

It means all of them:

David Wilcock, Harvest, Ra, New Age Gurus. and also Terence McKenna timewave, other channeled material, Bashar, Zetas, abrupt harvests, even remote viewers, etc...

were all wrong. Actually worse: they were misleading people.

I always said, as many said, nothing was going to happen in late 2012. My visions and dreams about the future (and astrology) never foresaw anything special except for some major conflicts and more economic crises. I always felt in my own intuition ans visions that happening a transition that would be very gradual and taking centuries. And still I am not sure of it.

People created the 2012 thing because they is a form of escapism. How many countless times has this happened in history?

This proves we live in a world of BIG DELUSION and DECEIPT. That was the greatest thing I learnt from this.

How can we unite our species if most of us are deceiving and taking advantage of others, or blindly believing and following in what others say? Very few seem to be able to think by their own heads. And very few seem to follow their own intuition.

My advice is: never believe in what others say, especially when it comes to extraordinary predictions or information. The human mind has an ability to be able to believe in great delusions and the desire to convince not only ourselves of this, but also others.

PS: my other learning lession is that people do have all sorts of crazy reactions when their world crumbles down.

[Jeremy]

Apologies if I ramble abit as I'm thinking out loud here.

While I never really latched on to the harvest idea as tightly as some, I'm left a little curious as to the validity of all channeled material if something this profound and paramount to various channeled sources was invalid.

Though I can honestly say that from the moment I started reading the LOO, something had never sounded so true in my life. I'm not sure if that is because it is actually the way I always envisioned life as it should be or that its actually true but it is hard for me to accept that it can't be true unless all of it is the most creative, elaborate, time consuming hoax of all time. I mean, there are decades upon decades of channelings so there is no reason why people such as Carla, bashar, etc would continue this life of deception if it weren't true. Sure bashar seems to be making quite a bit of money with his seminars and live webcasts but Carla? I mean they take in just enough money to support L/L Research as it is it seems.

As I said earlier in this thread. If anything, this material has reopened my eyes to the way I always envisioned life and if it can't happen all in one fair swoop, I'm gonna at least live my life that way and hopefully rub off on a few people along the way

[Shin'Ar]

I think it is very important to realize that the coming together of fields of consciousness, which is exactly what channeling is, just as it is when two people meet in any other form of communication and sharing, the information which is shared in that process is the information acquired by the experience of each of those fields.

Neither holds the key of truth, but simply the understanding and experience acquired through their own particular cycles of existence.

It is when one of these fields places complete faith that the other holds that key to truth, that the process is taken into a realm which it should not be taken.

The information shared is to be discerned and weighed for its opportunities and offerings. It is never meant to be acquired as the solution to The Mystery of Infinity.

[irpsit]

Regarding "the striking of the clock", in 21 December every year there is a solstice, the beginning of winter, the shortest day. That does not mean it will snow (and be cold) every year. The astronomical event does not necessarely mean a physical manifestation every year. The cold can come in mid December or only by early January, but it is around the solstice, give it or take it a few weeks.

Same with astrological phenomena. Let's say, you have Uranus transiting your natal Sun between 2009 and 2011 (as I had). The transit is exact let's say Sept 2009, March 2010 and January 2011. That does not mean you will have events of change in exactly those dates, perhaps you have a sudden event of change in another month, but it is definitively the whole period that will be one of change.

With these two comparisons, it is my idea of the 2012 "event", the harvest and transition. It is gradual, the astronomical date does not has to be exact with the physical events. They will start before the exact date, and will manifest still after the exact date. And according to Quo, this transition takes hundred of years.

Before 21/12, I was a gradualist, and I still am. I foresee the 21st century as having a gradual stepwise destruction and renewal of our 3d society. (You already see this)

Also a stepwise and gradual transition to a more community-based and local way of living (kinda of early 4d STO).

By 2150, I think the entire world will be full of these communities, in par with a global society that is very different from our current one (and not so materalistic as now)

And then I think (and forgive me: this is just my intuition) by 2400 we start opening up to the other dimensions, and some telepathy (so only around 400 years from now). Add by 2700, a few centuries later, we will be fully 4D.

This is what I foresee for the future of our civilization. And of course I might be completely wrong. This is just my guess based in my dreams, visions and intuition.

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However another problem (and this seems contradictory to me previous reply), it is that I also feel that we are living in a world fully controlled by deceiving STS entities. You know, the story of our religious books and myths...

So, they do everything possible to enslave the human race, and they are pretty much doing a good job. Humans also help, because they dont question themselves and the "books".

I think channeling is an attempt by those evil gods, to enslave us, as an replacement for the religions like Christianity and Islam that lasted the previous 2000 years. Now, they need a replacement. Nothing better than a 21st century version of religion. Still it is organized and a common thought - and no space for doubts or criticism.

"If you dont believe me and criticize me, then you are labeled as unspiritual and lacking love"

Where is the intelectual honesty with this? No space for democracy right? No space for individual independent thought?

Apologies if I ramble abit as I'm thinking out loud here.

While I never really latched on to the harvest idea as tightly as some, I'm left a little curious as to the validity of all channeled material if something this profound and paramount to various channeled sources was invalid.

Though I can honestly say that from the moment I started reading the LOO, something had never sounded so true in my life. I'm not sure if that is because it is actually the way I always envisioned life as it should be or that its actually true but it is hard for me to accept that it can't be true unless all of it is the most creative, elaborate, time consuming hoax of all time. I mean, there are decades upon decades of channelings so there is no reason why people such as Carla, bashar, etc would continue this life of deception if it weren't true. Sure bashar seems to be making quite a bit of money with his seminars and live webcasts but Carla? I mean they take in just enough money to support L/L Research as it is it seems.

As I said earlier in this thread. If anything, this material has reopened my eyes to the way I always envisioned life and if it can't happen all in one fair swoop, I'm gonna at least live my life that way and hopefully rub off on a few people along the way

[Parsons]

Yossarian... I'm really starting to agree with your point of view of everyone trying to impose their point of view of 'how things are'. It does get quite annoying. Especially anyone who denied any 'predictions' of happy things happening Dec 21st and turned around made a prediction that absolutely nothing would happen.

[BrownEye]

The only lesson I see in everyones outcome is to take responsibility for the self.

[Shin'Ar]

Yossarian... I'm really starting to agree with your point of view of everyone trying to impose their point of view of 'how things are'. It does get quite annoying. Especially anyone who denied any 'predictions' of happy things happening Dec 21st and turned around made a [i]prediction[/] that absolutely nothing would happen.

I would be extremely interested in hearing you elaborate on that Idaho.

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No space for individual independent thought?


While I never really latched on to the harvest idea as tightly as some, I'm left a little curious as to the validity of all channeled material if something this profound and paramount to various channeled sources was invalid.

If we can ask ourselves at what exact part of the world the first instance of Dec.21,2012 would occur, we should also realize in that same instance that time should be irrelevant to the cosmos. Time is the device of human measurement. Of what significance would it be to the Divine Design of the Cosmos and its cycles? Do we suppose that when these universal dynamics are ordained that the designer thinks first to coincide it with the human calendar?

It seems that your ' individual independent thought' process is far from being average.

But, having pointed that out, can you not now also apply that same thinking to realize that channeling and divine process is also not obliterated by the ignorance of those who do not understand it, just like they did not understand the dynamics of prophecy?

[Monica]

Nassim Haramein's work explains all this. We watched his new dvd over the weekend and it made perfect sense to me. Highly recommended!

My views of the Collective Consciousness, Time, etc. have expanded since following Nassim's work, which, in my opinion, mathematically and scientifically backs up the Law of One. Each of us is the Event Horizon. Channels who predict certain events on certain dates are missing the point.

http://theresonanceproject.org/shop

[caycegal]

Dear Friends,

I wasn't too invested in the "mass harvest" idea -- it still doesn't feel comfortable to me.

Ra has said much that really resonates with me -- and some things that do not resonate very much.

I don't know what to make of all that.

I think we each must come up with a story that makes sense of the universe for ourselves - and that is our story which creates our universe. I don't know if each of us must have the same universe -- or if each of us has our own based on our own belief system.

I suspect the universe, being infinite and being God in manifestation, offers an infinite number of realities. But what do I know? That's just my story so far.

Wishing you all a wonderful Christmas/Winter Solstice.

[Cyan]

I think the same thing happened as happens every night.


We die, we are adjusted, we are shown some visuals, we wake up, and most people forget everything about it.

[BrownEye]

Anyone notice a short period of loss of balance without the dizziness? Just a feeling of falling sideways for no reason, maybe even tipping some?

Or a time change, as if time is moving at a different speed?

[Jeremy]

I talked to multiple people at work who either thought it was earlier in the day or kept thinking it was a day later with myself included. I swear it was Friday all day when it was really Thursday.

[GentleReckoning]

It must be sparta!

[BrownEye]

I have a close friend online (lineage relation I found out) that described the same symptoms I experienced for a two day stretch. Our DNA is going through rapid changes and might make some feel a little "skewed".

[zenmaster]

I have a close friend online (lineage relation I found out) that described the same symptoms I experienced for a two day stretch. Our DNA is going through rapid changes and might make some feel a little "skewed".

Considering the 'normal' pace of DNA change, how fast is 'rapid'?
Since DNA can be easily examined, what is the evidence of this rapid change? Why isn't this common knowledge?

[BrownEye]

I think quick changes to DNA can make you feel pretty high. LSD and DMT have shown that. My wife is describing a feeling similar to MDMA still, while we have not really done anything out of the norm.

[Turtle]

The harvest and all the change and motion and....evolution...

So mysterious isn't it?

I am genuinely pleased with this experience of my life, and these times. Godspeed in all of our endeavors!

[Aaron]

I think quick changes to DNA can make you feel pretty high. LSD and DMT have shown that. My wife is describing a feeling similar to MDMA still, while we have not really done anything out of the norm.

we have not really done anything out of the norm.

we have not really done anything out of the norm.

we have not really done anything out of the norm.

O rly??? :p

[Plenum]

Aaron; get off your love drugs.

or I will have to report you to the nearest mod for being high on oxytocin.

Austin! help!! the love bunnies are rampaging in the b4th threads!!!

GLB call in backup. Put their love fires out!