In regards to eating meat

[3DMonkey]

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http://www.treehugger.com/green-food/the...olate.html

[Shemaya]

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http://www.treehugger.com/green-food/the...olate.html

Ok,with the authority invested in me, I proclaim that Gaia wants everyone to eat chocolate Only if you have harvested the cacao yourself, after it willingly dropped off the tree to the ground, and not one single child suffered in the harvesting of that cacao, including your own children who were left behind and dearly miss you as you took extended travel time away from home to harvest said cacao.

[Monica]

most of the animals i am in contact with are trusting and gentle. the dogs the birds i am in contact with are trusting and gentle. that is my personal experience 3d . the dogs i interact with are big mushes, our birdie is very trusting of us. the cows i have been in contact with were trusting and gentle.

I'm not surprised that your animals are gentle, norral.

Animal Nation

Talk to me now...I am listening!

You know they're calling us now...

Just look in their eyes and say it's not true!

(one of my favorite activists.)

And Through the Wire

And have I posted this already?

Meat

[norral]

why thank u monica

heres a vid i think u will like

loreena mckennitt mummers dance

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_49F2O7AC...re=related

[Diana]

why thank u monica

heres a vid i think u will like

loreena mckennitt mummers dance

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_49F2O7AC...re=related

That was beautiful, and I love that song.

Gemini Wolf needs to see it.

[Monica]

That was beautiful, and I love that song.

Me too! Lovely. Thanks norral!

Gemini Wolf needs to see it.

Yes he does!

[AnthroHeart]

Thanks Norral, Diana and Monica. I liked it very much. Had a few tears too. Wolves are to me the most beautiful creatures alive.
I had heard the song before, and am glad to see a new video to it.

why thank u monica

heres a vid i think u will like

loreena mckennitt mummers dance

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_49F2O7AC...re=related

That was beautiful, and I love that song.

Gemini Wolf needs to see it.

[Monica]

Time for some comic relief!

LOL, I couldn't resist!

[Oldern]

Loool

(About that standing up for yourself part: been there, done that. It really just nets for enemies. Easier to ignore the opinions that does not resonate me, nowadays. If my old self would look back at the things that I read through every day on the gaming forum I moderate, and see that all the sea of opinion just crosses through me, well... mind-blown it would that be, definitely )

[Monica]

Some famous quotes.

"Animals do not 'give' their life to us, as the sugar-coated lie would have it . . . They struggle and fight to the last breath, just as we would do if we were in their place. [John Robbins]
"Ask the experimenters why they experiment on animals, and the answer is: 'Because the animals are like us.' Ask the experimenters why it is morally okay to experiment on animals, and the answer is: 'Because the animals are not like us.' Animal experimentation rests on a logical contradiction. [Charles R. Magel]
"Avoiding harm to all creatures. . . this is true knowledge. All else is ignorance. [Krishna, in Bhagavad-gita 13:8]
"Hunting involves many terrible Karmic aspects. In murdering a father or mother animal, very likely some young creatures are made orphans, left unprotected in the wilderness. And, often, clumsy hunters only succeed in wounding the creatures; thus escaping immediate destruction, the maimed animals may roam in agony for days upon days, until Death finally supervenes. More misery in trapping: caught in the wicked traps, many creatures actually gnaw off their own paws, to gain the precious freedom. [Cf. Swami Noshervanji on hunting]
"Hunting is not a sport. In a sport, both sides should know they're in the game. [Paul Rodriguez]
"He who . . . who serves it up, and he who eats it, may be considered as co-slayers of the animal. [With Manu]
"I think, therefore I am . . . a vegetarian. [Author Unknown]
"I wish that more and more adventurous young men would give up the gun in favour of the camera. [Jawaharlal Nehru]
"If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow men. [Francis of Assisi]
"Injury to sentient beings is detrimental to heavenly bliss. [Manu]
"Let us ask what is best - not what is customary. Let us love temperance - let us be just - let us refrain from bloodshed. [Seneca]
"Nonviolence . . . and mercy to all life forms are the goals of godly persons who are endowed with My nature. [Krishna, Bhagavad-gita 16:1]
"One should treat animals such as deer, camels, asses, monkeys, mice, snakes, birds and flies exactly like one's own son . . . these innocent animals. [Narada Muni, Bhagavata Purana 7:14:9]
"The animals of the world exist for their own reasons. They were not made for humans. [Alice Malsenior Walker]
"The factory farm is . . . an obvious moral evil so sickening and horrendous. . . All this so we can have our accustomed veal or lamb or fried chicken or pork chop or hot dog. [Matthew Scully, abr.]
"The first man . . . ventured to call food and nourishment the parts that had a little before bellowed and cried, moved and lived. How could his eyes endure the slaughter when throats were slit and hides flayed and limbs torn from limb? How could his nose endure the stench? How was it that the pollution did not turn away his taste, which made contact with the sores of others and sucked juices and serums from mortal wounds? [Plutarch]
"The smell of factory farms . . . many notice these places only when the odours reach their homes, affecting their own quality of life. We create these animals for our profit and pleasure, playing with their genes, violating their dignity as living creatures, forcing them to lie and live in their own urine and excrement, turning pens into penitentiaries and frustrating their every desire except what is needed to keep them breathing and breeding. And then we complain about the smell. [With Matthew Scully]
"Thou shalt not kill" does not apply to murder of one's own kind only, but to all living beings; and this Commandment was inscribed in the human breast long before it was proclaimed from Sinai. [Leo Tolstoy]
"We don't need to eat anyone who would run, swim, or fly away if he could. [James Cromwell]
"We have found ways . . . to torture and maim animals and make their lives a misery, almost a living hell . . . in the multinational food industry, . . . and in laboratories where often the most important thing being researched is the latest in lipstick or face cream. [David Oderberg (Professor of Philosophy at Oxford)]
Dear Lord, I've been asked, nay commanded, to thank Thee for the Christmas turkey before us. . . a turkey which was no doubt a lively, intelligent bird. . . a social being. . . capable of actual affection. . . nuzzling its young with almost human-like compassion. Anyway, it's dead and we're gonna eat it. Please give our respects to its family. [Berke Breathed, Bloom County Babylon]
I do not like eating meat because I have seen lambs and pigs killed. I saw and felt their pain. They felt the approaching death. I could not bear it. I cried like a child. I ran up a hill and could not breathe. I felt that I was choking. I felt the death of the lamb. [Vaslav Nijinsky]
I have from an early age abjured the use of meat, and the time will come when men such as I will look on the murder of animals as they now look on the murder of men. [Leonardo da Vinci]
I have no doubt that it is a part of the destiny of the human race, in its gradual improvement, to leave off eating animals, as surely as the savage tribes have left off eating each other. . .. [Henry David Thoreau, Walden, 1854]
[It] boils down to priorities. What do you consider more important in your life? Disregard for the suffering of others? Your taste buds? Or what? [Yajnavalkya Dasa]

[BrownEye]

Wow awesome post!

[Monica]

This pic was posted on FaceBook with the caption:

Brother from a Different Mother

...and the baby chick too.

[Shemaya]

I found this blog in my web-search looking at what was being said on the internet about diets. Life and Times of a Moderate Vegetarian

It was interesting to read the author's perspective on her experiences and her personal emotional and spiritual growth as a vegetarian, and how that choice itself led her to examine and grow past natural human egoic tendencies and grow into equanimity , self-acceptance and self-expression.

I like what she said at the end, "I stand by my choices , and believe they are the best choices for me."

I think someone asked why I was reading this thread, I don't remember if I answered the question or not...it's not that easy keeping up with the hundreds of questions posted, and I like to take time to think about things. The answer is that I am interested in other-selves perspectives and interested in spiritual evolution, and balancing my energy and emotions, and creating a New Earth in which all creatures great and small are liberated from suffering.

And I believe that as I liberate myself from the chains, shame, guilt-complexes, scarcity-complex, martyr-complex, inferiority complex et cetera, I will just naturally aid in the creation of the New Earth. It won't be forced or happen doing more and more, it will be a natural process of just being myself, and living in truth and love.

My Vegetarian Phases

Know-it-all: In this early stage I knew that I was smarter than everyone else, and that my diet was the best for everyone else. I didn't realize until later that I was just alienating people and giving a bad name to vegetarians.

Extremist: After finding out the gruesome facts about factory farming, the meat industry, and animal testing, my empathy kicked in. But after being mocked for this empathy, I turned to the only place I knew about, PETA, and became an extreme vegetarian.

Morally superior: I was, after all, taking the so-called moral high road, and that made me a better person than anyone else who chose the so-called moral low road. I had no more tolerance of people thinking the inhumane treatment of animals was somehow acceptable. I was very judgmental and it was hypocritical of me to love animals but hate people.

Quiet: After I realized that I was just living my own life the way I wanted to live it, I scorned any type of conversation about my vegetarianism whatsoever. It was nobody's business but my own, and I didn't feel the need to proselytize. I was making personal amends for all my harshness in the preceding years. I felt bad for having been such a creep.

Informative: After clamming up for years about why I became a vegetarian, now when people would ask me about it (I never volunteered), I would give them all sorts of facts and sources. I was no longer trying to convince them, but was giving them some resources in case they were (actually) interested.

Moderate: Now after 15 years and many phases, you could say I've mellowed considerably and just become what I am: a person living life the way I want to, based on my own views, knowledge, and empathy. If people want to know why I'm vegetarian, I'll tell them in a few lines. It's up to them to inquire further if they're interested. I stand by my choices and believe they're the best choices for me. I realize everyone is at different stages, just like I was, and still am.

[Diana]

I think someone asked why I was reading this thread, I don't remember if I answered the question or not...it's not that easy keeping up with the hundreds of questions posted, and I like to take time to think about things. The answer is that I am interested in other-selves perspectives and interested in spiritual evolution, and balancing my energy and emotions, and creating a New Earth in which all creatures great and small are liberated from suffering.

And I believe that as I liberate myself from the chains, shame, guilt-complexes, scarcity-complex, martyr-complex, inferiority complex et cetera, I will just naturally aid in the creation of the New Earth. It won't be forced or happen doing more and more, it will be a natural process of just being myself, and living in truth and love.

These sentiments are commendable.

My Vegetarian Phases

Know-it-all: In this early stage I knew that I was smarter than everyone else, and that my diet was the best for everyone else. I didn't realize until later that I was just alienating people and giving a bad name to vegetarians.

Extremist: After finding out the gruesome facts about factory farming, the meat industry, and animal testing, my empathy kicked in. But after being mocked for this empathy, I turned to the only place I knew about, PETA, and became an extreme vegetarian.

Morally superior: I was, after all, taking the so-called moral high road, and that made me a better person than anyone else who chose the so-called moral low road. I had no more tolerance of people thinking the inhumane treatment of animals was somehow acceptable. I was very judgmental and it was hypocritical of me to love animals but hate people.

Quiet: After I realized that I was just living my own life the way I wanted to live it, I scorned any type of conversation about my vegetarianism whatsoever. It was nobody's business but my own, and I didn't feel the need to proselytize. I was making personal amends for all my harshness in the preceding years. I felt bad for having been such a creep.

Informative: After clamming up for years about why I became a vegetarian, now when people would ask me about it (I never volunteered), I would give them all sorts of facts and sources. I was no longer trying to convince them, but was giving them some resources in case they were (actually) interested.

Moderate: Now after 15 years and many phases, you could say I've mellowed considerably and just become what I am: a person living life the way I want to, based on my own views, knowledge, and empathy. If people want to know why I'm vegetarian, I'll tell them in a few lines. It's up to them to inquire further if they're interested. I stand by my choices and believe they're the best choices for me. I realize everyone is at different stages, just like I was, and still am.

What do you intend by posting the above quote? Are you suggesting that any vegetarians here fall into one of these categories, which represent one individual's personal journey? Is this a judgment upon the vegetarians here and the way they discuss the subject matter? Please be honest.

[Monica]

I am interested in other-selves perspectives and interested in spiritual evolution, and balancing my energy and emotions, and creating a New Earth in which all creatures great and small are liberated from suffering.

A generic question: How can one create such an Earth, when they are still directly contributing to unnecessary suffering?

And I believe that as I liberate myself from the chains, shame, guilt-complexes,

Should all feelings of guilt be eliminated? What is the difference between unhealthy guilt that we should liberate ourselves from, and healthy remorse that comes from listening to our conscience? Or is all guilt unhealthy and in need of being liberated from?

[3DMonkey]

I honestly believe it is okay for a person to eat meat.

[Monica]

I honestly believe it is okay for a person to eat meat.

Just wondering: So then is it 'ok' for me to kill a dog if I enjoy killing dogs?

[Shemaya]

My Vegetarian Phases

Know-it-all: In this early stage I knew that I was smarter than everyone else, and that my diet was the best for everyone else. I didn't realize until later that I was just alienating people and giving a bad name to vegetarians.

Extremist: After finding out the gruesome facts about factory farming, the meat industry, and animal testing, my empathy kicked in. But after being mocked for this empathy, I turned to the only place I knew about, PETA, and became an extreme vegetarian.

Morally superior: I was, after all, taking the so-called moral high road, and that made me a better person than anyone else who chose the so-called moral low road. I had no more tolerance of people thinking the inhumane treatment of animals was somehow acceptable. I was very judgmental and it was hypocritical of me to love animals but hate people.

Quiet: After I realized that I was just living my own life the way I wanted to live it, I scorned any type of conversation about my vegetarianism whatsoever. It was nobody's business but my own, and I didn't feel the need to proselytize. I was making personal amends for all my harshness in the preceding years. I felt bad for having been such a creep.

Informative: After clamming up for years about why I became a vegetarian, now when people would ask me about it (I never volunteered), I would give them all sorts of facts and sources. I was no longer trying to convince them, but was giving them some resources in case they were (actually) interested.

Moderate: Now after 15 years and many phases, you could say I've mellowed considerably and just become what I am: a person living life the way I want to, based on my own views, knowledge, and empathy. If people want to know why I'm vegetarian, I'll tell them in a few lines. It's up to them to inquire further if they're interested. I stand by my choices and believe they're the best choices for me. I realize everyone is at different stages, just like I was, and still am.

What do you intend by posting the above quote? Are you suggesting that any vegetarians here fall into one of these categories, which represent one individual's personal journey? Is this a judgment upon the vegetarians here and the way they discuss the subject matter? Please be honest.

Juste like I said:

I like what she said at the end, "I stand by my choices , and believe they are the best choices for me."

I appreciated her viewpoint and wanted to share it here.

There were no suggestions or judgments in my post, I simply liked what she wrote in her blog, and shared it to provide some catalyst for this thread. It's simply one person's viewpoint and reflection of a personal journey and personal changes through her experiences and use of catalyst.

I think we have already extensively covered in this thread the way the subject matter has been discussed, nothing new to discuss about that!

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A generic question: How can one create such an Earth, when they are still directly contributing to unnecessary suffering?

Just by paying my federal income taxes and living in the USA I am contributing to unnecessary suffering. You can ask the native Americans about that, because they are some of the people that have suffered because of what my tax dollars support, and there are right now many people and animals all over the world suffering because of my tax dollars. But I am not planning on leaving the country or not paying my taxes.

I can create such an Earth by using my gifts as well as possible and being the fullest expression of myself that I am.

Should all feelings of guilt be eliminated? What is the difference between unhealthy guilt that we should liberate ourselves from, and healthy remorse that comes from listening to our conscience? Or is all guilt unhealthy and in need of being liberated from?

That's a pretty long question and would encompass an entire world and life view.

Basically I hear you saying "Do you believe that the wages of sin is death?"

To which I would say, "There is no death, death is an illusion"

I do believe feelings of guilt that have arisen due to a programmed guilt -complex are best liberated by removing the programming. Other than that, I don't think any feelings should be eliminated. It's important to feel in order to heal, and healthy remorse can be a positive catalyst.

[Monica]

Just by paying my federal income taxes and living in the USA I am contributing to unnecessary suffering. You can ask the native Americans about that, because they are some of the people that have suffered because of what my tax dollars support, and there are right now many people and animals all over the world suffering because of my tax dollars. But I am not planning on leaving the country or not paying my taxes.

We don't have much choice about paying taxes.

We do have a choice, a relatively easy choice in most cases, regarding whether to eat animals.

Basically I hear you saying "Do you believe that the wages of sin is death?"

??? How did you get that out of what I said? I don't even believe in sin.

Ah, I get it. You're saying I'm sounding like a religious zealot? is that it?

To which I would say, "There is no death, death is an illusion"

But there is death. Bloody, painful, terror-filled death. Just ask the cows.

I do believe feelings of guilt that have arisen due to a programmed guilt -complex are best liberated by removing the programming. Other than that, I don't think any feelings should be eliminated. It's important to feel in order to heal, and healthy remorse can be a positive catalyst.

Great! Then that rules out programmed guilt-complex, in the case of any guilt felt by meat-eaters, because we haven't been programmed that eating meat is bad. Quite the contrary: we've been programmed that eating meat is ok, normal, and even good.

(An example of programmed guilt would be guilt regarding sex, felt by someone who was taught as a child that sex is dirty. Not so with meat, since virtually all of us were taught that eating meat is acceptable and normal.)

Therefore, any guilt arising from this discussion, is in the category of healthy remorse, not programmed guilt.

[Shemaya]

Just by paying my federal income taxes and living in the USA I am contributing to unnecessary suffering. You can ask the native Americans about that, because they are some of the people that have suffered because of what my tax dollars support, and there are right now many people and animals all over the world suffering because of my tax dollars. But I am not planning on leaving the country or not paying my taxes.

We don't have much choice about paying taxes.

I disagree. If you don't want to pay taxes, just don't pay them.

Basically I hear you saying "Do you believe that the wages of sin is death?"

??? How did you get that out of what I said? I don't even believe in sin.

Ah, I get it. You're saying I'm sounding like a religious zealot? is that it?

No I am not saying or thinking that. I was just reflecting my religious programming, which caused me to feel guilty about basically existing. I didn't think I had the right to exist until I was about 25, I had so much guilt. I am finally understanding where it comes from.

To which I would say, "There is no death, death is an illusion"

But there is death. Bloody, painful, terror-filled death. Just ask the cows.

Just ask Jesus. I know.

Great! Then that rules out programmed guilt-complex, in the case of any guilt felt by meat-eaters, because we haven't been programmed that eating meat is bad. Quite the contrary: we've been programmed that eating meat is ok, normal, and even good.



Therefore, any guilt arising from this discussion, is in the category of healthy remorse, not programmed guilt.

Are you saying eating meat is bad?

[Monica]

I disagree. If you don't want to pay taxes, just don't pay them.

Not a good analogy. There can be very serious consequences of not paying taxes.

Not so with not eating meat. In fact, the opposite is usually true: health often improves when meat is eliminated or drastically reduced.

No I am not saying or thinking that. I was just reflecting my religious programming, which caused me to feel guilty about basically existing. I didn't think I had the right to exist until I was about 25, I had so much guilt. I am finally understanding where it comes from.

I was raised Catholic, so I can commiserate!

But I don't see where you are going with this. You seem to be implying that any guilt felt by meat-eaters is akin to guilt from religious programming.

I don't see the connection, since we don't have any childhood guilt about eating meat, since eating meat is acceptable in our society.

Just ask Jesus. I know.

Well ok, I guess you could ask Jesus, next time you see him.

Or anyone else who has been brutally murdered.

Getting back to those cows...it's happening to them at the rate of millions per day. And the pigs and chickens too.

Are you saying eating meat is bad?

I have avoided any blanket 'good vs bad' statements for 3 years and I'm not going to start now.

I'm saying that any guilt anyone feels from eating meat or from this discussion, isn't from past programming. It's healthy remorse coming from their conscience.

[Shemaya]

I'm saying that any guilt anyone feels from eating meat or from this discussion, isn't from past programming. It's healthy remorse coming from their conscience.

Well that's quite a statement of belief, Monica!

What did you think of the blog I posted, Life and times of a Moderate vegetarian?

[Monica]

Well that's quite a statement of belief, Monica!

It's just a simple logical deduction.

Can we agree that guilt about meat isn't from childhood programming? (since meat is acceptable in our society)

Then it logically follows that the guilt is coming from somewhere else.

Unless the person was raised by vegetarians, which most of us weren't, then it logically follows that it's not 'programmed' guilt.

Thus, what is it then? Where else does guilt come from?

It's not from the vegetarians either. I cannot force someone to feel guilt, even if I wanted to (which I don't). There's no way someone expressing their opinion about something can instill the kind of guilt that you are describing, such as that which results from years of religious programming.

So, that leaves only 1 possibility: it's healthy remorse, coming from the conscience.

If you have any other ideas about the possible source of guilt, I'd love to hear them!

What did you think of the blog I posted, Life and times of a Moderate vegetarian?

It's the experiences and opinions of a single person. shrug

[Shemaya]

It's just a simple logical deduction.

Can we agree that guilt about meat isn't from childhood programming? (since meat is acceptable in our society)

Then it logically follows that the guilt is coming from somewhere else.

Unless the person was raised by vegans, which most of us weren't, then it logically follows that it's not 'programmed' guilt.

Thus, what is it then? Where else does guilt come from?

It's not from the vegetarians either. I cannot force someone to feel guilt, even if I wanted to (which I don't).

So, that leaves only 1 possibility: it's healthy remorse, coming from the conscience.

If you have any other ideas about the possible source of guilt, I'd love to hear them!

shrug If you don't understand what I am saying, that's OK. But I disagree with you, and I do not feel guilty that I have eaten meat , sardines, stinging nettles, chicken, bananas , avocados, shrimp, milk, chesse, nuts, etc.

Though I sometimes feel bad if I eat too much junk food.

[AnthroHeart]

I don't feel guilt from eating meat, but I do have a deeper feeling that tells me it's not as beneficial for my vibration.

[Shemaya]

If you read A course in Miracles it will give you a sense of where to trace back the original guilt. The answer seems obvious to me now, but it took time and catalyst to sink into the roots of my consciousness.

[Oldern]

Meat eating is not a sin. There are no sins in this existence.

Meat eating is a red frequency activity. It is the fuel for existing on a vibrational level that fits that theme.

Lower vibration is not worse vibration, though. It is different vibration.

If one has a goal of living in a different level of vibration, it can be beneficial to drop meat eating. It is not beneficial however, to still entangle one with red/orange vibrational activity like judging other's activities. That will never raise one's frequency. Never.

(That is my current, personal understanding of this matter.)

[Monica]

shrug If you don't understand what I am saying, that's OK.

Well, I really don't know what you're getting at. You're talking about guilt, and sin, and stuff like that...which have no relevance to me.

But I disagree with you, and I do not feel guilty that I have eaten meat , sardines, stinging nettles, chicken, bananas , avocados, shrimp, milk, chesse, nuts, etc.

Well if you don't feel guilt, then what are you disagreeing about? I was referring to those who feel guilt, which a number of people have expressed on this thread. If you aren't among them, then my comments about guilt don't apply to you.

But wait! Weren't you talking about programmed guilt? Now I'm wondering why you were talking about guilt, if you're not feeling guilt. Now I'm just confused.

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If you read A course in Miracles it will give you a sense of where to trace back the original guilt. The answer seems obvious to me now, but it took time and catalyst to sink into the roots of my consciousness.

Well if it's some version of original sin, thank you but I'll pass on that.

But getting back to guilt about meat, are you now saying that's where such guilt comes from? So do you not acknowledge any possibility that it could simply be...healthy remorse coming from the conscience?

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Meat eating is not a sin. There are no sins in this existence.

Meat eating is a red frequency activity. It is the fuel for existing on a vibrational level that fits that theme.

Lower vibration is not worse vibration, though. It is different vibration.

If one has a goal of living in a different level of vibration, it can be beneficial to drop meat eating.

Well said!!!

It is not beneficial however, to still entangle one with red/orange vibrational activity like judging other's activities. That will never raise one's frequency. Never.

Agreed! which is precisely why the other vegetarians and I have worked so hard to keep this discussion philosophical, rather than personal.

[godwide_void]

Animals have consciousness. Plants have consciousness. Ingestion of either still results in a particular being which has awareness being eaten, and its consciousness transmitted to yours. Those who choose to ingest meat are not the same as those who actively participated in the termination of the life experience of the animal which provided the meat. Whereas one has resulted in an act of negligence and violence, the other is ensuring that this being is still serving a purpose and aiding even after it is no longer in incarnation. Per the definition and examples of density and the various inhabitants of densities as given to us, flora and fauna comprise the same density. Thus why is it that devouring one sentient being is dismissed, yet ingestion of another is vehemently approved of? I feel this to be hypocrisy of sorts. Also, one must remember that nothing holds true physical form given what modern-day physics tells us. We are not "humans" eating "meat". Thinking with this sort of paradigm indicates that one still allows the the illusion of matter to color one's thoughts. We are merely light absorbing light, be it in the form of a chicken leg or a carrot. The Creator is an omnivore, not strictly a herbivore nor a carnivore, though it is within the rights, the free will, of any individual to adhere to either method of food ingestion if they so please. While it is true that plant life and raw foods do indeed have the propensity to heighten/raise one's vibrational frequency and increase one's energy, ingestion of meat does not necessarily result in one being "detuned" or suffer a loss in polarization. The only one who would have to worry about a diminished level of polarity would be the being who directly resulted in the death of the animal.

[Monica]

Thank you for sharing your opinions, godwide.

The only one who would have to worry about a diminished level of polarity would be the being who directly resulted in the death of the animal.

If people didn't support the industry, then the animals wouldn't be killed because there would be no profit in it.

Thus, my opinion is that those who support the industry, share in the responsibility.

If we're all "just light" in an illusion, then I guess it doesn't matter if we go around killing other humans too, by that logic.

The "plants vs animals" issue has been discussed ad nauseum previously in this thread, if you are interested in exploring that.