The mysterious nature of time

[Shin'Ar]

Simply the unknown future yet to be formed.

May be I can ask you this. Please take a look at the following LOO quote --

36.2 Questioner: Then would the mind/body/spirit complex totality be responsible for programming changes in catalyst during a third-density experience of the mind/body/spirit complex so that the proper catalyst would be added, shall we say, as conditions for the complex changed during third-density experience?

Ra: I am Ra. This is incorrect. The Higher Self, as you call it, that is, that self which exists with full understanding of the accumulation of experiences of the entity, aids the entity in achieving healing of the experiences which have not been learned properly and assists as you have indicated in further life experience programming, as you may call it.

The mind/body/spirit complex totality is that which may be called upon by the Higher Self aspect just as the mind/body/spirit complex calls upon the Higher Self. In the one case you have a structured situation within the space/time continuum with the Higher Self having available to it the totality of experiences which have been collected by an entity and a very firm grasp of the lessons to be learned in this density.

The mind/body/spirit complex totality is as the shifting sands and is in some part a collection of parallel developments of the same entity. This information is made available to the Higher Self aspect. This aspect may then use these projected probability/possibility vortices in order to better aid in what you would call future life programming.

Do you have anything from the ancient wisdom traditions that may shed more light on the last paragraph of the above quote, especially the line that I have shaded?

Only that it seems to contradict itself with regard to The One Consciousness.

On one hand it defines Higher Self as,

"The Higher Self, as you call it, that is, that self which exists with full understanding of the accumulation of experiences of the entity",

and then within a few sentences says,

" The mind/body/spirit complex totality is that which may be called upon by the Higher Self aspect just as the mind/body/spirit complex calls upon the Higher Self."

It seems to me that the Higher Self is The One Totality, and yet it calls upon itself for assistance.

This may be simple translation issues or inadequate transcription of the channeling, but when it clearly states that this Higher Self, The One, The Totality, must use projected probabilities in order to somehow prepare future experiences for the fragment, then I am afraid that my understanding would not be compliant with that.

Ra, like any other channeled source of information, is limited to its own state of being, and the understanding that is acquired at that degree. Inaccuracy and mistaken supposition is just as possible there, as it is in our own thought processing.

I think that Ra would be mistaken when it comes to any suggestions of parallel alternate realities, and any attempts to manipulate them from some higher degree of creative energy having been influenced by probability.

I think the Intelligent Infinity has established a Divine process which works to a Tee, flawless and proceeding as planned.

Probability is only a factor regarding the continuing unknown possibilities of choice.

Knowing future outcome of choice is an oxymoron, therefore they use the loophole of probability. A loophole that would not be necessary to sustain if predestination were not considered in the first place.

I know that is NOT what you wanted to hear Confused, but that is my thinking given my own understanding.

If the Higher Self truly is '... that self which exists with full understanding of the accumulation of experiences of the entity...', why then would a state of totality and full understanding of the totality of accumulation need to work with probabilities extracted from some source other than itself?

[Ankh]

If the Higher Self truly is '... that self which exists with full understanding of the accumulation of experiences of the entity...', why then would a state of totality and full understanding of the totality of accumulation need to work with probabilities extracted from some source other than itself?

Ra: I am Ra. To simplify this concept is our intent. The higher self is a manifestation given to the late sixth-density mind/body/spirit complex as a gift from its future selfness. The mid-seventh density’s last action before turning towards the allness of the Creator and gaining spiritual mass is to give this resource to the sixth-density self, moving as you measure time in the stream of time.

This self, the mind/body/spirit complex of late sixth density, has then the honor/duty of using both the experiences of its total living bank or memory of experienced thoughts and actions, and using the resource of the mind/body/spirit complex totality left behind as a type of infinitely complex thought-form.

In this way you may see your self, your higher self or Oversoul, and your mind/body/spirit complex totality as three points in a circle. The only distinction is that of your time/space continuum. All are the same being.

[Confused]

I know that is NOT what you wanted to hear Confused, but that is my thinking given my own understanding.

Thank you very much for the reply, Shin'Ar.

Truth is truth and it is all powerful. It is no respecter of individuals and their preferences. Thus, if what you say is the truth, one day, I will realize it too, through my course of evolution. If what Ra said was the truth on the subject, then that would be realized. I rest the matter, without personal bias or preference, in the great court of the Truth, the highest manifestation of the ONE, for me.

Much love to you for taking time to reply!

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Lol, Ankh, I did not know that you visit this thread, once in a while!

[Shin'Ar]

I know that is NOT what you wanted to hear Confused, but that is my thinking given my own understanding.

Thank you very much for the reply, Shin'Ar.

Truth is truth and it is all powerful. It is no respecter of individuals and their preferences. Thus, if what you say is the truth, one day, I will realize it too, through my course of evolution. If what Ra said was the truth on the subject, then that would be realized. I rest the matter, without personal bias or preference, in the great court of the Truth, the highest manifestation of the ONE, for me.

Much love to you for taking time to reply!

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Lol, Ankh, I did not know that you visit this thread, once in a while!

I sincerely respect that thinking and open mindedness Confused.

Anhk,

thank you for that follow up quote, but I am afraid it only served to further my point in my thinking.

If the field acquires totality awareness in 8th density, why then would there be a need to assist its 7th density progression?

[Confused]

16.51 Questioner: Could you define the word density as we have been using it?

Ra: I am Ra. The term density is a, what you would call, mathematical one. The closest analogy is that of music, whereby after seven notes on your western type of scale, if you will, the eighth note begins a new octave. Within your great octave of existence which we share with you, there are seven octaves or densities. Within each density there are seven sub-densities. Within each sub-density, seven sub-sub-densities, and so on infinitely.

[Cyan]

The real question I have is this.

IS there, after all your observations into time, an actual other SELF that is real, or is just an illusion generated by the echoing mechanism.

That is, are we actually talking To someone or talking with ourselves through the mirroring systems of self.

As per your best estimate. Is there a real actual other self in the process involved at any point?

[Confused]

Is there a real actual other self in the process involved at any point?

Yes, that is why interdependence is vital and inescapable.

[Confused]

65.19 Questioner: Thank you. The forgetting process was puzzling me because you said that the fourth-density activated people who were here who had been harvested did not have the same forgetting problem. Could you tell me why the Wanderer loses his memory?

Ra: I am Ra. The reason is twofold. First, the genetic properties of the connection between the mind/body/spirit complex and the cellular structure of the body is different for third density than for third/fourth density.

Secondly, the free will of third-density entities needs be preserved. Thus Wanderers volunteer for third-density genetic or DNA connections to the mind/body/spirit complex. The forgetting process can be penetrated to the extent of the Wanderer remembering what it is and why it is upon the planetary sphere. However, it would be an infringement if Wanderers penetrated the forgetting so far as to activate the more dense bodies and thus be able to live, shall we say, in a god-like manner. This would not be proper for those who have chosen to serve.

The new fourth-density entities which are becoming able to demonstrate various newer abilities are doing so as a result of the present experience, not as a result of memory. There are always a few exceptions, and we ask your forgiveness for constant barrages of over-generalization.

Now, are the so called 'junk DNA' the key to activating the more dense bodies, as Ra dubs it?! May be, as we progress into the fourth density, these denser bodies would be activated as a result of increasing exposure to corresponding cosmic vibrations.

[Confused]

105.17 Questioner: As an example I would like to take the distortion of a disease or bodily malfunction prior to the veil and compare it to that after the veil. Let us assume that the conditions that Jim experienced with respect to his kidney malfunction had been an experience that occurred prior to the veil. Would this experience have occurred prior to the veil? Would it have been different? And if so, how?

Ra: I am Ra. The anger of separation is impossible without the veil. The lack of awareness of the body’s need for liquid is unlikely without the veil. The decision to contemplate perfection in discipline is quite improbable without the veil.

[Ankh]

Lol, Ankh, I did not know that you visit this thread, once in a while!

:p

If the field acquires totality awareness in 8th density, why then would there be a need to assist its 7th density progression?

According to Ra, an entity reaches awareness of the Creator, which is all that there is, already in 7D (Ra, 16:23). In mid-7D, an entity stops looking back and turns itself to the Creator (Ra, 37:6). 8D is, in its later stages, a beginning of the new octave (Ra, 28:15). A mind/body/spirit complex totality is a being of 7D, and can assist its own Higher Self, a mid-6D entity, if called upon. All are the same being, the entity undergoing experience before mid-6D, Higher Self which is a mid-6D entity, and the 7D mind/body/spirit complex totality. In other words, there is no mentioning of the 8D being assisting its own 7D progression in the Ra material...

[Shin'Ar]

16.51 Questioner: Could you define the word density as we have been using it?

Ra: I am Ra. The term density is a, what you would call, mathematical one. The closest analogy is that of music, whereby after seven notes on your western type of scale, if you will, the eighth note begins a new octave. Within your great octave of existence which we share with you, there are seven octaves or densities. Within each density there are seven sub-densities. Within each sub-density, seven sub-sub-densities, and so on infinitely.

So what is being described here is simply the Flower of Life system of connecting circles. Each circle/field is a density, and by Design process it can be minimized and maximized into infinite proportions.

So why is there even any consideration of trying to number them from one to eight in the first place? if eight is the maximum it can expand, then it is not infinite, and according to the design with which I am familiar, that procession and expanding factor can go on and on until one chooses to step the process.

The real question I have is this.

IS there, after all your observations into time, an actual other SELF that is real, or is just an illusion generated by the echoing mechanism.

That is, are we actually talking To someone or talking with ourselves through the mirroring systems of self.

As per your best estimate. Is there a real actual other self in the process involved at any point?

Cyan, THIS is precisely what I have been trying to elaborate in my thoughts around this whole matter.

You ask and observe a very complex and confusing issue, but I think that we create the confusion ourselves in the way that we attempt to identify ourselves.

If we realized that there is no need to adopt any of these temporary identities at all, we would not have the drama of trying to solve the dilemma of true self.

The question which you asking and the very astute observation which you are making here, is solved in my understanding, as far as I am concerned anyway, by realizing that we are not any self or identity at all, but simply the mere process of being. We are a process taking place. An event occurring. Not an identity at all.

And THAT reality is this 'otherself' which Ra constantly refers to. Our 'self' is our delusion that we have an identity at all. And our 'otherself' is that reality that we are not a self at all but rather just a process.

A process does not have an identity.

So when you ask about communication between the two, what you are really observing and speculating on is the intricate details of an ongoing divine process established by The One and only true self; The One Consciousness responsible for all existence, and the process of being which is its continuing infinite experience as fragmented aspects of its own consciousness.

I am very pleased that you are so close to realizing this because it is very difficult for many here to grasp. The veil has some strange hold on one's ability to comprehend this reality and probably for very good reason having to do with the evolutionary process and development of the fragmented fields of consciousness.

If the field acquires totality awareness in 8th density, why then would there be a need to assist its 7th density progression?

According to Ra, an entity reaches awareness of the Creator, which is all that there is, already in 7D (Ra, 16:23). In mid-7D, an entity stops looking back and turns itself to the Creator (Ra, 37:6). 8D is, in its later stages, a beginning of the new octave (Ra, 28:15). A mind/body/spirit complex totality is a being of 7D, and can assist its own Higher Self, a mid-6D entity, if called upon. All are the same being, the entity undergoing experience before mid-6D, Higher Self which is a mid-6D entity, and the 7D mind/body/spirit complex totality. In other words, there is no mentioning of the 8D being assisting its own 7D progression in the Ra material...

I hear what you're saying Anhk, but regardless of the number designations my question remains to be answered.

To what purpose is the effort to assist its lower state of being in the process, when it has already acquired that higher state of being?

And the very fact that we are talking about One Entity and One process in the first place just further exhausts the whole need to assist the lower progression.

Do not misunderstand me here my friends, I am not suggesting that we do not receive higher guidance. Any that know me also know that I have a very close connection with my guides.

My point here is focused on the aspect of the process of 'As above, So below', and my understanding that when we are talking about the One process and self, we create our own confusions and dilemmas by attempting to add our delusional identity into this One process of One Self.

The guidance is not the future aspect of our temporary delusional identity returning to assist through the process. There is no fulfilled future. the future remains to be stepped into and a Mystery awaiting choice and process.

The guidance is simply The One Consciousness working within the Divine Design as fragments, offering information/memory/experience to us, which we must then discern, and use according to the limitations and boundaries established within the design.

The Process of Being, the Flower of Life, can be traveled in many directions and pathways, but there is no procession within that design that takes one into the future or the past. It is simply the evolving aspect of the fragments caught up in the Design. At various stages of this evolving process fields become more capable and transform accordingly. But they are not becoming future aspects of temporary selves. They are simply evolving fields of consciousnesses activating more advanced aspects and processes as they evolve.

And each expansion or transformation from one state of being into another is a density within many sub-densities and higher densities yet to be achieved.

And The One Consciousness exists as the Only Self experiencing this infinite process within its own established design; a design that was deliberately created in such a way that it can be forever evolving and developing, which means that even The One continues to evolve, which means that there is no set, accomplished future. It remains to be created as The One Consciousness continues to evolve into Infinite Mystery.

With that understanding I cannot see sense in attempting to designate numbers and order to various octaves or densities.

to what end do we do this?

[Ankh]

To what purpose is the effort to assist its lower state of being in the process, when it has already acquired that higher state of being?

So what you are asking here is that why intelligent infinity chooses to experience itself, over and over again? Is this correct?

And what you seem to have difficulties with here is the concept of simultaneity? Is this correct?

Did you read this thread in its entirety? I know it's long, but the concept of mysterious nature of time is discussed here by various, different entities. Here is my contribution to it. But at the end, it is you and your discernment that matters and that which will bring you closer to the Creator. It is your divine right as the Creator using your divine free will.

Do not misunderstand me here my friends, I am not suggesting that we do not receive higher guidance. Any that know me also know that I have a very close connection with my guides.

This is what Q'uo said about guides:

Your higher self is virtually anything you can perceive it to be. Your higher self is the limits of your imagination, for it is everything that you ever thought and cared about and done, therefore, if you need it, it will be provided. If you desire your higher self to communicate with you by making the stars dance, if you can conceive it, it can happen. A certain person who sees a coin laying on the ground as they walk by [may] think nothing of it, while another may be able to interpret it as a sign of something, that one puzzle piece in their life that was missing, because they ask that their environment provide them with information. There is no one way in which communication is established. It does not have to be through prayer or ritual or any attempt at communication with words. Your higher self can communicate with you through any means to which you are open.

There is also your specific guidance system, the artifacts your higher self has created for you and sent back, known to many as the male and the female guides and the third guide that is a union of the two, often seen as androgynous. These were created to be a more tangible example to you. It will help you in more direct ways.

So to me, guides - among other means - are the product of your Higher Self, or as you call it - higher state of being, assisting lower state of being.

The guidance is not the future aspect of our temporary delusional identity returning to assist through the process. There is no fulfilled future. the future remains to be stepped into and a Mystery awaiting choice and process.

Ra said that: "You are existing at all levels simultaneously. It is specifically correct that your higher self is you in mid-sixth density and, in your way of measuring what you know of as time, your higher self is your self in your future." Ra, 70:9. However: "The Higher Self does not manipulate its past selves. It protects when possible and guides when asked, but the force of free will is paramount. The seeming contradictions of determinism and free will melt when it is accepted that there is such a thing as true simultaneity. The Higher Self is the end result of all the development experienced by the mind/body/spirit complex to that point." Ra, 70:11.

With that understanding I cannot see sense in attempting to designate numbers and order to various octaves or densities.

to what end do we do this?

While looking back, we are moving forward.

[Confused]

..., and according to the design with which I am familiar, ...

Would it be possible to explain further, what this design is, which you are familiar with, Shin'Ar?

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And what you seem to have difficulties with here is the concept of simultaneity? Is this correct?

Ankh, thank you for bringing this up! I really do have lot of trouble with the concept of simultaneity, in terms of being able to get my around it. Especially this [from 70.12] --

Words of Ra -- In time/space, which is precisely as much of your self as is space/time, all times are simultaneous just as, in your geography, your cities and villages are all functioning, bustling, and alive with entities going about their business at once. So it is in time/space with the self.

It seems like the self is able to view itself across all the timelines that it is involved in, when lodged in the matrix of time/space. Added to the above, is this spectacular revelation from dear Ra --

36.3 Questioner: Out of the Seth Material we have a statement in which Seth says that each entity here on Earth is one part of or aspect of a Higher Self or Oversoul which has many aspects or parts in many dimensions all of which learn lessons which allow the Higher Self to progress in a balanced manner. Am I to understand from this that there are many experiences similar to the one which we experience in the third-density which are governed by a single Higher Self?

Ra: I am Ra. The correctness of this statement is variable. The more in balance an entity becomes, the less the possibility/probability vortices may need to be explored in parallel experiences.

It is mind boggling to think that the same self may copy itself into different imprints, undergoing parallel experiences, while being unknown to the other parts of the very same self! Right now, there could be many other versions of my very same self. That really gives me a weird feeling.

[Confused]

[Confused]

[Ankh]

It is mind boggling to think that the same self may copy itself into different imprints, undergoing parallel experiences, while being unknown to the other parts of the very same self! Right now, there could be many other versions of my very same self. That really gives me a weird feeling.

Lol! Sounds so dramatic, Confused! :p

I like using an analogy of a person standing on top of a mountain, when thinking of this concept, and seeing everything from that top. Then directing the self towards that top (which is balance), yet still preserving Free Will which is paramount. I've had some experiences both in "dreams" and in meditations of being/seeing/experiencing in time/space, and it's really difficult to describe. Once, I even felt like I ascended towards a point that got me thinking about Higher Self, or at least an aspect of it. In that state I was viewing time and space, completely understanding the illusion of time and space, and nature of where I was, i.e. that only now is "real" and all else is an illusion. When coming back to my normal state my mind was like: "Got it! Got it!!" So I asked it: "Try to explain it in words?" And my mind answered: "¤"&%"/#¤%&"#¤TWE??"

Maybe these quotes of Ra could be of some help in regards to understanding of time/space and space/time?:

The hallmark of time/space is the inequity between time and space. In your space/time the spatial orientation of material causes a tangible framework for illusion. In time/space the inequity is upon the shoulders of that property known to you as time. This property renders entities and experiences intangible in a relative sense. In your framework each particle or core vibration moves at a velocity which approaches what you call the speed of light from the direction of supraluminal velocities.

Thus the time/space or metaphysical experience is that which is very finely tuned and, although an analog of space/time, lacking in its tangible characteristics. In these metaphysical planes there is a great deal of what you call time which is used to review and re-review the biases and learn/teachings of a prior, as you would call it, space/time incarnation.

The extreme fluidity of these regions makes it possible for much to be penetrated which must needs be absorbed before the process of healing of an entity may be accomplished. Each entity is located in a somewhat immobile state much as you are located in space/time in a somewhat immobile state in time. In this immobile space the entity has been placed by the form-maker and higher self so that it may be in the proper configuration for learn/teaching that which it has received in the space/time incarnation.

Depending upon this time/space locus there will be certain helpers which assist in this healing process. The process involves seeing in full the experience, seeing it against the backdrop of the mind/body/spirit complex total experience, forgiving the self for all missteps as regards the missed guideposts during the incarnation and, finally, the careful assessment of the next necessities for learning. This is done entirely by the higher self until an entity has become conscious in space/time of the process and means of spiritual evolution at which time the entity will consciously take part in all decisions.

The process in space/time of the forgiveness and acceptance is much like that in time/space in that the qualities of the process are analogous. However, while in space/time it is not possible to determine the course of events beyond the incarnation but only to correct present imbalances. In time/space, upon the other hand, it is not possible to correct any unbalanced actions but rather to perceive the imbalances and thusly forgive the self for that which is.

The decisions then are made to set up the possibility/probabilities of correcting these imbalances in what you call future space/time experiences. The advantage of time/space is that of the fluidity of the grand overview. The advantage of space/time is that, working in darkness with a tiny candle, one may correct imbalances.

It is true that the nature of time/space is such that a lifetime may be seen whole as a book or record, the pages studied, riffled through, and re-read. However, the value of review is that of the testing as opposed to the studying. At the testing, when the test is true, the distillations of all study are made clear.

During the process of study, which you may call the incarnation, regardless of an entity’s awareness of the process taking place, the material is diffused and over-attention is almost inevitably placed upon detail.

The testing upon the cessation of the incarnative state is not that testing which involves the correct memorization of many details. This testing is, rather, the observing of self by self, often with aid as we have said. In this observation one sees the sum of all the detailed study; that being an attitude or complex of attitudes which bias the consciousness of the mind/body/spirit.

But Ra also said:

Since the concepts of space/time, or physics, and time/space, or metaphysics, are mechanical they are not central to the spiritual evolution of the mind/body/spirit complex. The study of love and light is far more productive in its motion towards unity in those entities pondering such concepts.

[Confused]

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Thank you for giving a well thought out and detailed explanation, Ankh. I know that one can always depend upon you to give a lucid explication of a subject, with thorough grounding in the LOO, given your exemplary commitment, implicit trust, and unshakeable confidence in the veracity of the material.

It is always very informative, eye-opening and insightful, to read your posts. Thank you for visiting this thread and sharing your thoughts!

[Confused]

Defining Willpower

[Confused]

[Ankh]

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Thank you for giving a well thought out and detailed explanation, Ankh. I know that one can always depend upon you to give a lucid explication of a subject, with thorough grounding in the LOO, given your exemplary commitment, implicit trust, and unshakeable confidence in the veracity of the material.

It is always very informative, eye-opening and insightful, to read your posts. Thank you for visiting this thread and sharing your thoughts!

O c'mon, brother! I do my best but "&%¤#/#¤%/#¤" is hard to put in words!!

Thank you and I love you too.

[Aaron]

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Thank you for giving a well thought out and detailed explanation, Ankh. I know that one can always depend upon you to give a lucid explication of a subject, with thorough grounding in the LOO, given your exemplary commitment, implicit trust, and unshakeable confidence in the veracity of the material.

It is always very informative, eye-opening and insightful, to read your posts. Thank you for visiting this thread and sharing your thoughts!

Thank you, Confused, for putting this into words! I thoroughly and completely agree with you, and add my own voice to your acclamation and appreciation of Ankh.

[Ankh]

I love you both!

[Confused]

Thank you, Confused, for putting this into words! I thoroughly and completely agree with you, and add my own voice to your acclamation and appreciation of Ankh.

Lol...your blinking eye definitely has meaning in this interaction, Aaron!

I have read many of Ankh's posts across threads and have always been struck by the fact as to how she is able to pull out a good number of pertinent Ra quotes on a specific subject. For that ability to have matured, Ankh must have spent much time in dedicated fashion, studying the LOO, so as to the words of the material permeating every part of her conscious (and subconscious being). For me, Ankh is an accomplished LOO scholar, and I say it with a good amount of envy. I would love to have that ability, for which probably, I would need to put in the amount of hours and steadfast commitment that she has put in, in terms of studying the material. That really calls for preternatural will, as Ra would put it

Let us look at this quote --

Questioner: How did this aggressive action against a playmate affect Jesus in his spiritual growth? Where did he go after his physical death?

Ra: I am Ra. The entity you call Jesus was galvanized by this experience and began a lifetime of seeking and searching. This entity studied first day and night in its own religious constructs which you call Judaism and was learned enough to be a rabbi, as you call the teach/learners of this particular rhythm or distortion of understanding, at a very young age.

At the age of approximately thirteen and one-half of your years, this entity left the dwelling place of its earthly family, as you would call it, and walked into many other places seeking further information. This went on sporadically until the entity was approximately twenty-five, at which time it returned to its family dwelling, and learned and practiced the art of its earthly father.

When the entity had become able to integrate or synthesize all experiences, the entity began to speak to other-selves and teach/learn what it had felt during the preceding years to be of an worthwhile nature. The entity was absolved karmically of the destruction of an other-self when it was in its last portion of lifetime and spoke upon what you would call a cross saying, “Father, forgive them for they know not what they do.” In forgiveness lies the stoppage of the wheel of action, or what you call karma.

In the future, if Ra were to channel again and if somebody were to question Ra on Ankh, I think we can easily substitute the LOO in terms of spiritual material studied and the name of Ankh in the place of the indefatigable seeker of the philosophies, as expounded by Ra. The words that I have shaded in the above quote would fit Ankh to a T, in the context of the intense and persistent study of the Ra material, I think

@Ankh: you should probably start a LOO academy, soon! And do not forget to give me employment in it :p. However, knowing you, you would probably say something like this --

60.18 Questioner: Was this a device for communication then? You also said that they drew power from it. What sort of power? How did this work?

Ra: I am Ra. This was charged by means of the materials with which it was built being given an electromagnetic field. It became an object of power in this way and, to those whose faith became that untarnished by unrighteousness or separation, this power designed for negativity became positive and is so, to those truly in harmony with the experience of service, to this day. Thus the negative forces were partially successful but the positively oriented Moishe, as this entity was called, gave to your planetary peoples the possibility of a path to the One Infinite Creator which is completely positive.

This is in common with each of your orthodox religious systems which have all become somewhat mixed in orientation, yet offer a pure path to the One Creator which is seen by the pure seeker.

That is, you would say that a pure seeker can easily download the truths of creation, for him or herself, directly from the LOO, without resorting to academies run by earthly personalities . Of course, to that truth, I will be forced to only have to say Amen

[Confused]

[Xenos]

Reading through sessions again, I have a new sense of awareness swimming through the sea of LOO material.

I remember Hidden Hand saying that the material is about ~95% accurate in data.
Makes me realize that we really have to interpret alot of the meaning and take in what resonates with our vibration.

Just like what hidden hand said...

"follow the message, don't listen to the messenger"

I'm pretty sure some negative entities slipped through the channeling and decided to give us false dates and such? haha

[Confused]

I'm pretty sure some negative entities slipped through the channeling and decided to give us false dates and such? haha

I think extreme care was taken so as to not allow any negative interference. The channeling was in a complete trance state, with Ra being in full control of the content spoken through Carla's vocal conduits. However, Ra did acknowledge an apparent underbelly of the contact --

32.4 Questioner: So I should change that third to fourth?

Ra: I am Ra. This is correct. Please continue to scan for errors having to do with numberings, as you call them, as this concept is foreign to us and we must translate, if you will, when using numbers. This is an on-going weakness of this contact due to the difference between our ways and yours. Your aid is appreciated.

[Aaron]

Reading through sessions again, I have a new sense of awareness swimming through the sea of LOO material.

I remember Hidden Hand saying that the material is about ~95% accurate in data.
Makes me realize that we really have to interpret alot of the meaning and take in what resonates with our vibration.

Just like what hidden hand said...

"follow the message, don't listen to the messenger"

I'm pretty sure some negative entities slipped through the channeling and decided to give us false dates and such? haha

What makes Hidden Hand trustworthy in evaluating the truthfulness of the Ra Material? (or any material?)

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I'm pretty sure some negative entities slipped through the channeling and decided to give us false dates and such? haha

I think extreme care was taken so as to not allow any negative interference. The channeling was in a complete trance state, with Ra being in full control of the content spoken through Carla's vocal conduits. However, Ra did acknowledge an apparent underbelly of the contact --

32.4 Questioner: So I should change that third to fourth?

Ra: I am Ra. This is correct. Please continue to scan for errors having to do with numberings, as you call them, as this concept is foreign to us and we must translate, if you will, when using numbers. This is an on-going weakness of this contact due to the difference between our ways and yours. Your aid is appreciated.

I wanted to point out that Ra was just saying in this quote that the miscalculation and misrepresentation of numerical statistics was going to be a recurring difficulty within the questioning and answering, due to Ra most likely not having used numbers (quantitative thinking) in the majority of their experience. They were/are unfamiliar with them and probably kept track of time and numerical data in a far different (qualitative) way.

[Confused]

I wanted to point out that Ra was just saying in this quote that the miscalculation and misrepresentation of numerical statistics was going to be a recurring difficulty within the questioning and answering, due to Ra most likely not having used numbers (quantitative thinking) in the majority of their experience. They were/are unfamiliar with them and probably kept track of time and numerical data in a far different (qualitative) way.

I totally accord with you there, Aaron. Moreover, Ra pointed out that they view our time/space from a dimension exterior to it. Thus, I think your comment is absolutely spot on.

65.9 Questioner: We would seem to have dual catalysts operating, and the question is which one is going to act first. The prophecies, I will call them, made by Edgar Cayce indicated many Earth changes and I am wondering about the mechanics describing the future. Ra, it has been stated, is not a part of time and yet we concern ourselves with possibility/probability vortices. It is very difficult for me to understand how the mechanism of prophecy operates. What is the value of such a prophecy such as Cayce made with respect to Earth changes and all of these scenarios?

Ra: I am Ra. Consider the shopper entering the store to purchase food with which to furnish the table for the time period you call a week. Some stores have some items, others a variant set of offerings. We speak of these possibility/probability vortices when asked with the understanding that such are as a can, jar, or portion of goods in your store.

It is unknown to us as we scan your time/space whether your peoples will shop hither or yon. We can only name some of the items available for the choosing. The, shall we say, record which the one you call Edgar read from is useful in that same manner. There is less knowledge in this material of other possibility/probability vortices and more attention paid to the strongest vortex. We see the same vortex but also see many others. Edgar’s material could be likened unto one hundred boxes of your cold cereal, another vortex likened unto three, or six, or fifty of another product which is eaten by your peoples for breakfast. That you will breakfast is close to certain. The menu is your own choosing.

The value of prophecy must be realized to be only that of expressing possibilities. Moreover, it must be, in our humble opinion, carefully taken into consideration that any time/space viewing, whether by one of your time/space or by one such as we who view the time/space from a dimension, shall we say, exterior to it will have a quite difficult time expressing time measurement values. Thus prophecy given in specific terms is more interesting for the content or type of possibility predicted than for the space/time nexus of its supposed occurrence.

[Meerie]

Guys that is why I actually wonder, that Ra gave a date at all, referring to harvest in 2011?

[Confused]

Guys that is why I actually wonder, that Ra gave a date at all, referring to harvest in 2011?

Meerie, this again ties back into the vexed topic of the Harvest.

Consider this from the LOO --

17.22 Questioner: In our culture there is a saying that he will return. Can you tell me if this is planned?

Ra: I am Ra. I will attempt to sort out this question. It is difficult. This entity became aware that it was not an entity of itself but operated as a messenger of the One Creator whom this entity saw as love. This entity was aware that this cycle was in its last portion and spoke to the effect that those of its consciousness would return at the harvest.

The particular mind/body/spirit complex you call Jesus is, as what you would call an entity, not to return except as a member of the Confederation occasionally speaking through a channel. However, there are others of the identical congruency of consciousness that will welcome those to the fourth density. This is the meaning of the returning.

And now, consider the following from Matthew Chapter 24 (KJV*) --

27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

28 For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.

29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

32 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:

33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.

34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.

35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.

36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.

37 But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,

39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

40 Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

41 Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

42 Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.

43 But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up.

44 Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.

*Source: http://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Matthew-Chapter-24/