Comparing Ra and the Cassiopaeans

[Asolsutsesvyl]

@Dtris, thanks for bringing those quotes. The view I described, in my understanding, does not contradict any of those three quotes -- but if I have missed something, it would be very good to have that pointed out. Key to understanding my overall angle is that complete unity is, logically, something which must be outside of space and time, since space and time are examples of structures that divide up what's inside them.

Everything in space as one thing, is a thing which is not located anywhere in space, and likewise everything in time at once, is not found at any moment in time. And the same for any other dimensions that may be involved in terms of things being spread out in them. Unity basically means either lack of structure or the transcending of structure.

So the idea that 7D leads to complete unity at its end is not in conflict with the idea that a creation may fill up infinities of time, space, and other dimensions, so that individual beings come and go "forever" within it. Provided that the process of moving through the densities is distinct from the process of moving through the dimension of linear time, that is.

Ra describes linear time durations for many things, while e.g. the Cassiopaeans emphasize that linear time as experienced in 3D doesn't apply beyond 3D, and that time durations as we understand them in 3D are only metaphorical when considering higher densities. Ra's descriptions of time/space alongside space/time and more are suggestive of this, but doesn't make it really clear. The existence of a structuring dimension somewhat like time even in 6D doesn't necessarily mean it's experienced the way it is in 3D, and the differences between 3D and 6D seem to rule out that 6D is anything at all like a human existence. Ra claims 6D is not individual, but that doesn't mean it's full unity either, rather the descriptions seem to leave logical room only for an in-between thing easy to picture abstractly but impossible to imagine concretely.

Perhaps the creation can be likened to an inside-out house, which contains everything on the "outer" inside. The "inner" outside, on the other hand, transcends space, time, etc., which are all found on the "outer" inside. It's also like a little garden in which the creator is, surrounded by it all. Except that in terms of the cosmology, "it all" is presumably held in the mind of that creator.

The way I put it together with the visual metaphor earlier of a spiraling motion where the center is unity from 7D and the outer edge is 1D, to accommodate endless cycling and octaves, goes with very abstract and not-at-all-possible to concretely imagine ideas which to me seem to unify what's in those three Ra quotes. However, find a single clear-cut logical contradiction and it's demolished.

[Dtris]

Asolsutsesvyl, we are certainly dealing with a complex subject.

For your context, Ra states in the first session that they are outside of time as we know it. He also mentions repeatedly that any translations of lower and higher density time is an approximation at best because time functions differently in each density.

Ra also outlines that the physical world as we explore thru science, is just one of the worlds of experience which we are tuning into at this moment. The evolution of the creation proceeded before space/time existed and continues in whatever realm that may be.

I see the densities being representative of modes of experience the creator has set for each individualized portion of consciousness to explore. If that is the case the seventh density would not have much meaning if it involved the loss of individuation and a return to total unity. I do think it is likely that the limits of language make that description the most accurate way of describing that density to someone in third, who really cannot comprehend that level. Even Ra admits they cannot comprehend the seventh level.

My understanding is that the physical universe which we occupy is but a small fraction of the creation which we will end up experiencing as we move thru these densities, to whatever the destination is.

[Ralib1]

I just wanna add my two cents. Any psychic or medium will tell you to NEVER use a Ouija board. Unlike, Ra’s narrow band transmission. The Oujia board is a open gateway for ANY entity to communicate through without infringing on free will. I immediately felt a negative vibe just from reading the first page. They mentioned they were from nearby Orion and that they were there for “prophecy” and then started giving messages or doom and fear, and natural disasters. If this was an attempt to masquerade as a positive STO being they weren’t very convincing.

[Asolsutsesvyl]

I'm going to try to reply backwards towards earlier things I haven't replied to yet...

I just wanna add my two cents. Any psychic or medium will tell you to NEVER use a Ouija board. Unlike, Ra's narrow band transmission. The Oujia board is a open gateway for ANY entity to communicate through without infringing on free will. I immediately felt a negative vibe just from reading the first page. They mentioned they were from nearby Orion and that they were there for "prophecy" and then started giving messages or doom and fear, and natural disasters. If this was an attempt to masquerade as a positive STO being they weren't very convincing.

This is an area where the Cassiopaea main channel, LKJ, has long since written explanations and justifications for why her approach is the best. Generally, she always in one or another way explains why her approach to spiritual and other topics makes the most sense given the superior level of knowledge she has gathered. Of course, "unreasonable" people (including of course myself by her standards) can continue to disagree.

It's been time since I read through LKJ's old writing about this, but if I remember correctly, she views the use of a board instead of trance as good because it allows conscious monitoring and feedback. She's described how a board can be used as a self-development tool of sorts, where old thought loops and unconscious baggage is worked through so as to prepare the channel to channel more clearly.

However, I think the added "distance" to the source and greater participation of the channel may hide features (the "personality") of what's channeled. In the earliest few years, some sessions were, unlike the rest, direct channeling through LKJ's former associate F., who went into trance and spoke. The information is much the same, except that according to LKJ, there was a condescending and negative non-verbal air about it, which some guests found too repellent. She blamed it all on F., and later channeling after parting with F. also blames F.'s influence for the earliest over-the-top doom and gloom and predictions.

But gloomy stuff and predictions, and even LKJ having personal visions of the future she's claimed to be so horrible that she doesn't want to fully describe it for others, continues to recent years. And I think when F. left, the result was basically that it all became molded to fit LKJ's personal agenda, as the lower-level winner of a power struggle below the level of the channeled source. The years with F. have Cassiopaeans that more often disagree with LKJ, and that's also the early times with the most interesting little metaphysical ideas in sessions IMO.

[Azarnac]

And I think when F. left, the result was basically that it all became molded to fit LKJ's personal agenda, as the lower-level winner of a power struggle below the level of the channeled source. The years with F. have Cassiopaeans that more often disagree with LKJ, and that's also the early times with the most interesting little metaphysical ideas in sessions IMO.

This is likely what happened, judging by what has changed and happened since then.
Those who have read the transcripts(in fact, this is how I came across the C's in the first place; some torrent archive contained the pdf that had all sessions from the beginning up until the 2000s) will notice the stark difference between the early and later sessions. There are genuine nuggets in the early sessions, and whatever it was they were talking to, it often disagreed with LKJ and told her to go beyond her anthropomorphic and Christian views. This radically changed in the 2000s and has remained the same since then.
Especially since 2018 or so, there is almost no pretension anymore that the "C's" have become the mouthpiece for whatever LKJ needs for her organization(C's asking people to donate more money to LKJ etc.).
In the latest session from a week ago or so many people from the FOTCM were invited to attend the session and the Cs were asked what the greatest weakness of the forum community/FOTCM is. They answered that they lacked true co-linearity.
I think it likely that this will be interpreted along esoteric lines(think Mouravieff and the exo-, meso-, and esoteric groups and the theoretical idea that people need to align their understanding) but in practice, it might just be that LKJ wants even stronger groupthink among her followers, a true Nazi "Gleichschaltung", as we Germans say.

Regarding the Oujia Board, I had, for some time, believed it to be a toy invented in the 20th century. It turns out that some similar looking devices had been in use for centuries before our time. Interestingly, Daoists in China, specifically the Quanzhen movement, used it as part of their practice up until the Qing Dynasty(the last one that ended in 1911) banned their use.
Why it was banned I have been unable to ascertain so far.
It might be that LKJs use of the Oujia board stems from Christian prejudice towards "demonic" possession and a need for intellectual control. Intuitively speaking, it seems to me that trance possession yields to a more "direct line" than board use. In line with their condescending attitude towards Eastern religions that favor the non-intellectual, the Chateau group seems to like what doesn't change their tight intellectual grip and doesn't veer into other states of consciousness.

[Dtris]

And I think when F. left, the result was basically that it all became molded to fit LKJ's personal agenda, as the lower-level winner of a power struggle below the level of the channeled source. The years with F. have Cassiopaeans that more often disagree with LKJ, and that's also the early times with the most interesting little metaphysical ideas in sessions IMO.

This is likely what happened, judging by what has changed and happened since then.
Those who have read the transcripts(in fact, this is how I came across the C's in the first place; some torrent archive contained the pdf that had all sessions from the beginning up until the 2000s) will notice the stark difference between the early and later sessions. There are genuine nuggets in the early sessions, and whatever it was they were talking to, it often disagreed with LKJ and told her to go beyond her anthropomorphic and Christian views. This radically changed in the 2000s and has remained the same since then.
Especially since 2018 or so, there is almost no pretension anymore that the "C's" have become the mouthpiece for whatever LKJ needs for her organization(C's asking people to donate more money to LKJ etc.).
In the latest session from a week ago or so many people from the FOTCM were invited to attend the session and the Cs were asked what the greatest weakness of the forum community/FOTCM is. They answered that they lacked true co-linearity.
I think it likely that this will be interpreted along esoteric lines(think Mouravieff and the exo-, meso-, and esoteric groups and the theoretical idea that people need to align their understanding) but in practice, it might just be that LKJ wants even stronger groupthink among her followers, a true Nazi "Gleichschaltung", as we Germans say.

Regarding the Oujia Board, I had, for some time, believed it to be a toy invented in the 20th century. It turns out that some similar looking devices had been in use for centuries before our time. Interestingly, Daoists in China, specifically the Quanzhen movement, used it as part of their practice up until the Qing Dynasty(the last one that ended in 1911) banned their use.
Why it was banned I have been unable to ascertain so far.
It might be that LKJs use of the Oujia board stems from Christian prejudice towards "demonic" possession and a need for intellectual control. Intuitively speaking, it seems to me that trance possession yields to a more "direct line" than board use. In line with their condescending attitude towards Eastern religions that favor the non-intellectual, the Chateau group seems to like what doesn't change their tight intellectual grip and doesn't veer into other states of consciousness.

https://history.state.gov/milestones/189...hinese-rev

1911 was the year that the Republic of China was founded. At various points thru chinese history they cracked down on traditional Taoist and Buddhist practices. In particulat the communist revolution attempted to secularize society completely.

[Asolsutsesvyl]

I'll try to explain what's been bothering me for some time with the early Cassiopaean material, including the nuggets of good information, and why I've remained torn and unenthusiastic about those since, even though I think they're worth discussing further. Why are they there, really?

In the 2017-11-04 Q'uo session there is related talk about wisdom. It's easy to relate to some questions.

What's the heart of spirituality, and the point of a teaching (or the main actual effect of it, which would be known by a supposed advanced higher-density source)? There's a basic clash between the more contemplative and open-hearted seeking philosophies, on the one hand, and the extreme conspiracist worldviews like "the Matrix filled with agents cracking down on all awakened persons" and/or "alien overlords have sent a massive fleet to crush all opposition really soon" etc., on the other hand. Ultimately, I think one of these must be discarded if the other is to continue to be explored in a more developed form. The basic natures are fundamentally different in a way that becomes gradually clearer.

What do people make of teachings, depending not only on the nature of the teaching or their own natures but the combination? E.g., there was something heartless about Gurdjieff the manipulative guru who designed the practical teaching to achieve psychological dominance over, and then used, his followers, while a superficially similar, but more nuanced and heartful and mystically inward-seeking teaching, can be found in Boris Mouravieff's books. It's similar with the Cassiopaean and Ra-related teachings, I think, except the order of publication is the opposite. (With the Ra material, the less-publicized and more-heartful version came first. With Mouravieff's Gnosis, it came second, after Gurdjieff's more well-known teaching, after Mouravieff had observed and pieced things together from various sources and rejected Gurdjieff as a black magician with an incomplete approach.)

With the Cassiopaeans, the early channeling sometimes is over-the-top alarmistic and pointing towards an almost comically hostile worldview. At other times, it loftily rises above the basic divisive and subtly controlling leanings which LKJ show from early on. In 1996 the C's reject the idea of viewing persons themselves as the "portals of attack" used by higher-density forces to strike at targets through, because that leads to directing negative energy onto the souls of those persons on a false basis. They also noted that if you adopted such a view, then "many could describe" LKJ herself as a portal.

In 2002, LKJ however adopted exactly that kind of view on a larger scale and transformed Mouravieff's most divisive idea, that of pre-adamics, into the "organic portals" idea, half of humanity thereafter seen as energy drains and portals of attack used by the forces of "the Matrix". She basically made the worst she could of Mouravieff's message in that way. Maybe the resulting worldview was the last nail in the coffin for the open-heartedness of the Cassiopaean teaching, as the 2003 change observed by Montalk then followed (though he didn't relate those two things this way).

But I remain torn on the early Cassiopaean material. There's much in it that I don't think has any real positive use. The "good stuff" continues here and there even today, in a sense, as in what Azarnac noted on how you could view the latest Cassiopaean message in an accurately insightful way. Why? Is it for people to learn from it positively, or is it so that people who want to read something positive into it all easily find all the excuses they need to do so, i.e. bait to swallow? Is it a real mixture of positive and negative sources on display, or is it smoke blown to obscure negativity at a calculated meager cost?

I think the worst part of the Cassiopaean teaching, and not only LKJ's layers of elaboration but also the channeling from early on, tends to somewhat shut down or bend out of shape the following (bolded) in a person...

Now, we would begin by suggesting that you consider that there is to wisdom a kind of dual aspect. There is that aspect which is receptive, and with respect to this aspect you are attempting to ascertain truths, shall we say, about your environment, about others within your environment, and about yourself, which can be integrated with other information, other truths, which you have already taken in. In this context, the question before you is simply, "What is the nature of this information I seek to take in? What is the tendency of the information which I seek to take in?" In general, you could say that information which tends to incite fear, information which tends to promote the sense of separation, or information which seems to suggest the possibility for aggrandizing the self, that this information is of a negative tendency or polarity. On the other hand, if you find yourself being confronted with information which suggests joy, which suggests an opening of free possibility, which suggests acceptance of others, and the opportunity to be of help to others, you can be sure that you are confronted with the marks of the positive tendency in creation, or as we have called it, the positive polarity.

Now, you are aware that it is an essential consideration for those who attempt to develop spiritually from within the context of the veiled experience that you should polarize one way or the other. That is to say, that you must choose. That which comes to you simply as wisdom, therefore, in an unpolarized sense, that which comes to you as wisdom in other words in which the tendencies of polarity are ambiguous, must be taken up in such a way that the choice that you make will redirect the energies in the direction of your choice so that should they be, as they are for this group, of the positive polarity, you have ensured, to yourself, that you can seat this wisdom in a context of service to other selves and not a context of service to self.

So, the question becomes, "How might you achieve this result?" And in moving to an answer to this question, we would like to take up the second phase of wisdom, which is that phase complimentary to, but not to be substituted for, the receptive phase. This we would call the "expressive phase of wisdom." When you are considering information, possibilities, that you are unsure about, you might ask yourself "What would be the significance of taking this information up into my process so that as it works to engage my own process, so that it works to augment my possibilities of self-realization in the complex of energies which constitute the environment around me, the society to which I belong, how might all of this contribute to creating a more accepting, a more loving environment?"

The twist in teachings like the Cassiopaean, but also others, lead to the sense of possibilities, striving to help, etc., becoming tied to the specific community and claims of the teacher, when the teaching is followed more closely. It can stimulate the positive things mentioned, and more, in a person, but at the same time, also the negative, in a pattern that leads to commitment towards the exploiter and surrounding organization together with isolation from the greater world of spirituality.

In addition, there's the possible added danger of a degrading of reasoning, more clear in people who invert their criteria for what's likely to be true and likely to be false, so that any hearsay becomes credible as long as it fits the basic alarmistic pattern which is pre-judged to be "The Truth" ™ and anything from the mainstream (and often elsewhere too) opposing such a message must automatically be an evil deception part of grand doomsday scheming at some level.

Now, on many occasions that which is negative in its innermost tendency will masquerade, so to speak, as positive, and it can lead one astray to take up bits and pieces of information which have a tendency to promote fear or separation, and together with those tendencies, be emotional by-products of them, such as hostility, hate, or distrust. And to suggest that these elements of truth which are present in your every day environment are negative is merely to suggest that there is already a great deal of polarity available to you in implicit suggestion, in propensity, and it does require, on your part, an active process of winnowing in order to sort out that which is negative in its tendency from that which is positive in its potential.

Now, we would say, that in truth, everything which is negative in its tendency, is also simultaneously positive in its potential, which is only to say that the choice, after all, is yours concerning how wisdom shall be used. The choice is yours concerning how you will take up the power that is invested within the information that comes into your hands. The choice is yours, and it is important to have a practice, which is regular, according to which you avail yourself of the possibility of carefully examining every last uptake into your own being, so that when it comes to manifesting that being, you can be clear that it will bear the mark of your love, that it will bear the mark of your compassion, that it will bear the mark of your resolve that nothing should come through you that has not been tested in the depths of your own being and found to be consistent with the value for which you stand.

If I ask, "If this information is wrong, what is the harm?", the harm is generally much more for the Cassiopaean information and other unverifiable conspiracy-spirituality worldview messages, than it is for the stuff which is said by them to be "dangerous" messages of "passivity" which encourage "navel-gazing", etc.

I think a cue should be taken from skeptics about extraordinary claims requiring extraordinary evidence when the claims are enormously divisive, and also when getting it wrong simply leads to a long-term situation of useless fear and distrust, as the Cassiopaea community and various other more popular alternatives bring people into regarding "outside" worldviews and those who hold them.

When the bad key elements are mixed with good information, as in the very large and intellectually complex synthesis of ideas produced by LKJ, it can take years of digesting it at odds with it (possibly painfully after leaving the fold) before the nature of the different parts of it finally become clearer, in terms of what it does to those who take it seriously.

Oh, my friends, it is so easy to get moved off one's mark, because wisdom, by itself, so very often, is overwhelming in its complexity, and therefore, is able to bear little pieces of negativity, little pieces of a kind of polarized inclination or propensity, that falls beneath the threshold of your attention, and so something taken up in all innocence can be seen later to have contained a tendency so fundamentally opposed to what you would embrace, so fundamentally opposed to what you would desire to manifest, that you are quite moved beyond your center, and find yourself scrambling to make amends for what you have come to think must have been a bad, bad mistake. Dealing with mistakes, or what appear to be mistakes, is part and parcel of the third-density experience, and so a good portion of your effort at seeking will be taken up by a process of review, a process of reassessment, and no single individual has been able to escape completely unscathed from the effect of having catalyst go awry.

[Dtris]

Your description jives with my own experience with the Cass material. I read the first three books which are published from the early material. In general there was some segments I found to be helpful. But even then I noticed that the material seemed to lose much of its useful information in just those three books. I can't imagine trying to sift thru 25 years of channelings to find a few useful nuggets.

In those early books LKJ seemed like a person who had no real destination or roadmap. Only later did she decide on her course.

[Azarnac]

1911 was the year that the Republic of China was founded. At various points thru chinese history they cracked down on traditional Taoist and Buddhist practices. In particulat the communist revolution attempted to secularize society completely.

Apologies for my unclear wording. I meant to say that the usage of Oujia like boards for communication with spirits was forbidden some time during the Qing Dynasty, although it is not clear when exactly it happened. It did happen way before the founding of the Republic of China or the Communist Revolution though.

[Sena]

You bring up Icke and Wilcock. I think you are making an error in attributing the missteps of these public figures to negative influence. While that is a possibility, it is much more likely that these fellow flawed humans have their own biases and errors which they make. Wilcock personally led me to the Ra material and I have a huge amount of respect for him and his work, even if there are portions I personally disagree with.

As for Wilcock, I feel the same way, and has done a tremendous service, the point was that he admits to "falling for" some premises given to him, and the risk was (is) his legacy/teachings, and the potential collapse is something everyone should learn from. He gets alot of undeserved flak IMO, and I appreciate the situation he's in is fraught with pitfalls. I do believe the more light you try to shine, the more undesirable attention one may get. It's a part of the game here.

Zedro, I agree with you about David Wilcock. I won't take any book as Gospel truth, but I find his books interesting, and they are consistent with the Law of One. There does seem to be a group of people who hate Wilcock; their hatred needs to be analyzed.

[Asolsutsesvyl]

And I think when F. left, the result was basically that it all became molded to fit LKJ's personal agenda, as the lower-level winner of a power struggle below the level of the channeled source. The years with F. have Cassiopaeans that more often disagree with LKJ, and that's also the early times with the most interesting little metaphysical ideas in sessions IMO.

This is likely what happened, judging by what has changed and happened since then.
Those who have read the transcripts(in fact, this is how I came across the C's in the first place; some torrent archive contained the pdf that had all sessions from the beginning up until the 2000s) will notice the stark difference between the early and later sessions. There are genuine nuggets in the early sessions, and whatever it was they were talking to, it often disagreed with LKJ and told her to go beyond her anthropomorphic and Christian views. This radically changed in the 2000s and has remained the same since then.
Especially since 2018 or so, there is almost no pretension anymore that the "C's" have become the mouthpiece for whatever LKJ needs for her organization(C's asking people to donate more money to LKJ etc.).

For completeness, if you're still (or for others who are) exploring the line of thought that it started out as something more positive, here's some thoughts I had almost 2 years ago before I gave up on that idea myself, about how things may have changed over time.

The years with F. are only a portion of those early transcript years. If there was a negative turning point connected to his departure (as a more unified agenda could then direct things), it would have to have been as early as 1996 or so. By 1997, there's both more sci-fi soup and the whole "truth percentage" thing and more, and it gets worse after that. If there was a positive peak of sorts, I think it could have been as late as 1995 or 1996. Then a decay entered, perhaps like an exponential decay which continued until both quantity and quality of activity fizzled out as the mid-00s approached, and activity then resumed on a new footing after a period of basically nothing.

After that shift, you then have the attitude that there's less and less of a difference between LKJ and the C's, year after year, which she has gotten her community to accept and even parrot in order to defend e.g. choices in what the channeling focuses on.

[Nikki]

"The question of what is true is the meat of philosophical enquiry. As far as the Confederation is concerned, there is earthly truth, which is limited and relative, and then there is spiritual truth, which is infinite, mysterious, and full of paradox and mystery, yet is as simple as: all is one, and that one thing is love." p.173 "Voices of the Confederation".

This was an interesting read and showed the wonder of all the posters, all love and light.

[meadow-foreigner]

In addition to the already very insightful posts made so far:

The Casiopeans (later self-proclaimed Cassiopaeans, a vital 'detail' that seems to be overlooked and underconsidered) have displayed, several times, a self-interested perspective in their messages.

They follow the same pattern that of those of the Bringers of the Dawn book.

• They both claim to be the same individuals as their channels, though 'from the future'; 
  
• They both claim that, in their future perspective, things are bad and tyrannical, so they intended to change things up with time travel.
  

In this sense, they can persuade the channel and the audience to legitimize their message, all for the 'sake of the greater good'. Nevertheless, interference is interference, no matter how it's presented or how it frames itself.

In this sense, these sources are both serving their Selves and their agenda.

The Casiopeans also contradicted themselves on several occasions throughout the channelings, even considering the contextual meaning.
An example: in the earlier contacts, they claimed to be both STS and STO as all are one. Years later, they claimed to be 'STO only', even though their momentum and essence suggests otherwise, on several occasions.

Even then, they do present some food for thought, and they seem to be over-invested in the course of events at Earth.

It matters little if the content has a religious, or a seemingly neutral glossing, or whatever else. What matters is how the message makes one think and exercise one's mind; instead of choosing to live as a byproduct of dogma.

It is a display of maturity to get in touch with different perspectives of the same prism and to figure out the explicit and underlying connections. In that sense, it might do everyone some good to do so.

[Diana]

Even then, they do present some food for thought, and they seem to be over-invested in the course of events at Earth.

It matters little if the content has a religious, or a seemingly neutral glossing, or whatever else. What matters is how the message makes one think and exercise one's mind; instead of choosing to live as a byproduct of dogma.

It is a display of maturity to get in touch with different perspectives of the same prism and to figure out the explicit and underlying connections. In that sense, it might do everyone some good to do so.

Well said.

[Asolsutsesvyl]

@meadow-foreigner, that reminds me of several things I haven't posted yet. On the "bad future" and sci-fi-like scenarios of that kind, years ago another member of the Cassiopaea forum wrote a short overview bringing together related channeled/"inspired" views on that theme. I'll quote that later, for those curious about the C's and Pleiadians and the related somewhat doom-and-gloom perspective.

It is a display of maturity to get in touch with different perspectives of the same prism and to figure out the explicit and underlying connections. In that sense, it might do everyone some good to do so.

Something different that's been on my mind is a theory which makes for an alternative way to try to make sense of the C's and their messages. Is it, at least roughly, some kind of weird mirror image of the truth? It's interesting to look at in that way, so in this post and later I'll explore along that line.

LKJ has long championed the view that in the early years, the C's communicated in a code in which they said things about other persons and things instead of the hidden "real" subject, and the "real" message was for LKJ alone to correctly perceive and interpret. (Sometimes, supposedly, they also said the opposite of the truth in a way "obvious" enough that LKJ could later understand it.)

How about this? Flipping around the message of the C's, here and there and in various ways, gives a picture much closer to the truth about the C's, LKJ, her community and what it's all about. In fairly few flips, sometimes a stunningly accurate picture could emerge. This is the opposite of LKJ's view, accepted by her community, according to which the propaganda in the world (everything opposing their message) is often exactly the opposite of the truth.

There's many places you could begin, but I'll pick something I've already touched on, accuracy and "truth percentages".

Truth percentages and Bad statistics

Cassiopaean Session 1997-12-31 mentions truth percentages, and the following numbers have been provided for the (older) Cassiopaean material and for the (old published version of) the Ra material:

Ra: ~63%
C's: 71.7%

[...]

Here's something else, the C's on the message of the New Testament (from a compilation on the Cassiopaea forum):

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Q: (L) What is the origin of the name Appolyon?
A: Light being?
Q: (L) Why is Appolyon called the "destroyer" in Revelation?
A: Backward for sake of deception. Bible corrupted.
Q: (L) You have often stated that the Bible is corrupted, I would like to know who, exactly, corrupted the Bible and when and how they did this?
A: Illuminati brotherhood for a thousand earth years.
Q: (L) Does this mean that up until a thousand years ago the Bible was fairly accurate?
A: No.

Thousand year period is symbolic in the material for an era in 4D, or a metaphysically distinct "age" in the world.

Destroyers and light beings? The C's are said to be light beings. 6D STS are supposed to be their opposites and associated with black holes. Moving on...

Q: (L) Are any books of the New Testament written by who they claim to be written by?
A: No. Remember this is 70% propaganda.
Q: (L) Is 30% then the truth or the actual teachings?
A: Close. Enough you must decipher from instinct through meditation.

Now consider the 1997-12-31 session claim that the Cassiopaean material is 71.7% true. That fits a rounded 70%. The opposite would be 28.3% true, a fit for the rounded 30% which is "close" to being truth.

Sometimes I think the C's say the truth about their own stuff when giving answers about propaganda and deception in Christianity, the Bible, and more. And they also say Revelations is "corrupted" with messages of doom meant to inspire fear. (Note: I don't make any argument about Christianity etc. here, I leave that at the side. Personally though, I disbelieve both the C's and the Bible.)

You could go very far looking for "inversions". There's also a claim in the early Cassiopaean material that both sides have equal higher-density backing, and so there's ultimately supposedly a 6D STO vs. 6D STS thing going on.

[Asolsutsesvyl]

Now, on dystopian sci-fi visions...

• They both claim to be the same individuals as their channels, though 'from the future'; 
  
• They both claim that, in their future perspective, things are bad and tyrannical, so they intended to change things up with time travel.
  

In this sense, they can persuade the channel and the audience to legitimize their message, all for the 'sake of the greater good'. Nevertheless, interference is interference, no matter how it's presented or how it frames itself.

In this sense, these sources are both serving their Selves and their agenda.

There's complexity to it all, and distinctions that come and go, and several types of claims going in several directions, and several sentiments, and elaborations added over time. So it's very open to interpretation, by design.

Now for ideas of battles between timelines, thousand-year periods of transition, etc.

"Neil" on the Cassiopaea forum wrote a summary in 2016 on the "alien threat" which grouped ideas and claims into 4 different timelines. From here. It's different from my own old thoughts, and complementary to the way in which I've compared the C's and sci-fi, so I think it's well-worth quoting for further discussions here. I added a few {notes} to fill in missing context here.

4. The "beginning" of the transition period of 1000 years seems to be crucial to me. If the 4D STS are going to try to control us in 4D and they have hybrid bodies ready, it would seem to me that perhaps the mass destruction and death of the current batch of 3d bodies occurs in 3D and the reincarnation occurs in 4th where 'we' will again face another sales job. "Check these bodies out! You can have the best of both worlds!" Or something like that. I would bet they are thinking that the SAME scam that worked 300,000 years ago will work again. The C's did say that it is important WHEN you choose, and I think that there will be a welcoming committee in 4D all lined up to try to sucker us in again.

{This refers to the C's idea that 4D STS lured humanity into the bodies people live in in this world (Earth) long, long ago in the past, trapping people here in a long series of incarnations under the control of a 4D STS system. Before that, supposedly, humanity was less physical and in a different type of body in a 3D STO world.}

Yeah, that was kind of my point. In reading the transcripts, it would seem that the Cassiopaeans have made prognostications on several different timelines, which are occurring concurrently within the framework of a larger multiverse. Some of the sessions seem to contradict each other, however the contradictions disappear if you view time as a probabilistic ocean existing in the plane of eternity, instead of a linear progression.

The first broad group of timelines is where 4D STS completes their agenda, the hybridization is successful, and the circle is closed on a much finer order of control. This is the "tyranny world" that the Pleidians and Marciniak talk about a lot where humans become "cyborgs," a metaphorical description of a hyperdimensional process, or advanced artificial intelligence as Renaissance put it. It is also the future that Jacobs {David Jacobs, author of The Threat} is getting a glimpse into. You would experience this reality if you make the grade for 4D STS.

The second broad group of timelines, has to do with repeating 3D. In this timeline, the cataclysms {predicted cometary bombardment etc.} come and destroy everything, and everything is reset. 4D STS gets a massive boost of energy from culling the herd, and this is used as a springboard to sustain the first group of timelines. The farm {how the current "3D STS world" is sometimes described} is then reconstituted to serve its traditional role as an energy source. You would experience this timeline if you fail to see and understand the point of polarization.

The third broad group of timelines is the timeline that eventually gave birth to the Cassiopaeans and made their transmissions possible. This is the "paradise world" where we eventually evolve into them in what we would perceive to be the distant future. This would be the reality experienced when the Great Work is completed and Mouravieff's last Judgment finally separates the wheat from the tares.

There also seems to be a fourth group that is hinted at from time to time, a timeline where everything goes to complete chaos, people disintegrate, and the planet basically just blows up. This represents a failure for both sides, and no one really wants it.

The splitting of these probabilities probably began in 0 New Year, two years ago {the C's made "the year" marking change 2014 instead of 2012}, but these realms are so different from each other that it takes them a while to "energize." There are 998 years to go, or the equivalent amount in human experiential energy. At this point, the different possibilities exist quite close to each other and overlap to a significant degree. We are in a superposition of possibilities where they all interpenetrate. 4D STS wants to capture the maximum amount of energy from the plane of eternity in order to support the first group of timelines. They erroneously believe they can make it the only choice and therefore the only possible outcome. However, they don't have the power to make something that exists in the plane of eternity nonexistent. It is always there, it is always possible as a choice, existing in the intelligent infinity of the DCM {"Divine Cosmic Mind", God}. When that choice is "found" and actualized, then the third group of timelines becomes manifest.

I expect that 4D STS will use any and all dirty tricks before the timeline has acquired enough energy to split off into the STO realm. It will be quite a struggle to keep up with everything going on. One of the early sessions gave a basic rundown of it, although many more details came later.

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    Q: (L) Is there going to be massive disruption on the planet and maybe a lot of people transitioning out of the body simultaneously because of the interaction of this cluster of comets and the earth.
    A: Close.
    Q: (L) And, shortly following this event, Christ will return?
    A: As part of the whole.
    Q: (L) That is going to be part of the cluster of comets activity?
    A: After.
    Q: (L) What is Christ going to do after he returns?
    A: Teach.
    Q: (L) How many people are going to be on the planet to receive this teaching?
    A: Open.
    Q: (L) May we assume there will be six billion?
    A: Assume as you please.
    Q: (L) You keep saying that the return of Christ is a part of the whole as though there is some important thing that I am missing the question to discover. Consider that question asked... tell me what it is I am missing, please.
    A: Obvious if you have been paying attention.
    Q: (L) And that is...?
    A: The transition to 4th density.
    Q: (L) Is the transition to 4th density going to happen before the comets or after?
    A: After.
    Q: (L) Is the interaction of the comets and the planet earth going to....
    A: Precede the transition.
    Q: (L) Is it going to generate this change in some way?
    A: No.
    Q: (L) It's not going to have anything to do with electromagnetic interactions which would heighten the atomic vibrations of the planet?
    A: No.
    Q: (L) So, the comets are going to make a mess of things and then the transition is going to come as Christ comes?
    A: Before.
    Q: (L) The transition will happen and we will all be standing around glazed in the eyes or whatever, wondering what to do with ourselves, because we are finding ourselves in a new estate we have not been in before, and then Christ comes?
    A: More or less.
    Q: (L) Now, what is going to happen after Christ comes back and everything is sort of straightening out and he is teaching... is everybody on the planet going to be gathered together in one place to receive these teachings?
    A: No.
    Q: (L) Is he going to travel around and teach?
    A: Technology.
    Q: (L) He will teach via the media?
    A: Yes.
    Q: (L) And we are still going to have access to our media, television and radio and so forth?
    A: Some.
    Q: (L) Are some people at that point in time or just prior to this transition, going to leave in large groups with the Lizzies?
    A: Yes.
    Q: (L) Are there going to be large groups of people moving into domed cities on the planet living in "cahoots" with the Lizzies?
    A: Close.
    Q: (L) In other words there may be areas of Lizzie control on the planet and areas under the control of Christ?
    A: Christ does not control.
    Q: (L) Will the Lizzie people come out of their cities from time to time and "molest" the followers of Christ from time to time?
    A: Maybe.

If all of the tricks and "molestations" are overcome, eventually the realm becomes bifurcated and the STO group can move into a completely different realm and work on strengthening their polarity without interference. I don't think this occurs right away, but at the end of the "thousand year period."

As an aside to Bjorn, we were approaching this subject in the aura reading thread. I don't think that it is until after this time that we have any stake in becoming architects of the school. Up until that point, we are probably too busy getting our bearings and fending off attacks to be too concerned about world creation and world maintenance on that scale on a practical level. After the "Last Judgment" the psychopaths would be gone, however that happens, because they would serve no purpose in that 4D reality, after the choice is made. It would be after that, when we are far enough along to begin "seeding the 3rd density universe," we might be looking at what tests and challenges are necessary to make this or that realm an optimal learning environment.

Pretty much. Though, as I said, I would leave that door open a crack.

Yeah, leaving the door open a crack is prudent, for the obvious reason that we can't know for sure. I think there is a real problem here with the literal vs symbolic interpretation of some of the UFO phenomenon. There are the physical craft that are seen and photographed in our skies, but then there is the "close encounter" aspect that is really a problem because it seems it can take place on a level that is non physical. At that point, objectivity from a 3D perspective goes out the window.

We see a reflection of this even in some of what the Cs say. Looking 'down' at us, they may see the physical reality, and also the non-physical reality of which we are generally unaware and only receive hints and impressions because it is non-physical. Until such time as we can perceive that non-physical reality directly, it's always going to be very problematic to accurately translate it into physical 3D terms. As we go along however, and watch events unfold, we can get better at understanding how to accurately translate from one to the other.

I suppose in 4D the thought-reality connection is much more immediate, so perhaps it could even be that vaccines and GMOs are metaphors for alien hybridization, instead of the other way around? Maybe that's a natural result of the higher "material friction" lower densities have, where reality is far less responsive to thought.

Well, since a lot of these abductions seem to be "soul replication" as opposed to physical abductions, it would make a lot of sense that they could do a lot of hybridizing by tweaking your energy field, which informs the genetics and therefore effects the structure of the physical body. It is a different process from the more mundane, test tube type of hybridization, but accomplishes the same practical result. Also, I don't see why the couldn't bounce signals off the cell towers or something to reorganize information fields that are uncrystalized, and hybridize people that way without ever having to abduct them at all. However, despite that, there does seem to be a physical nuts and bolts aspect of it, even if it is secondary. I don't think one should get "too hyperdimensional." I'm reminded of this session

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    Q: (L) Well, if these craft emerge into our reality from fourth density, as I assume some of them do, how do they stay here? Do they become absolutely physically material and do they remain here?
    A: If they malfunction in third density, they then become frozen in third density. Very simple.
    Q: (L) And, does the same hold true for the beings?
    A: Precisely.
    Q: (L) So, in a very real sense, they are very real and physical...
    A: They are very real and physical in fourth density, too. The difference is that fourth density physicality is not the same as third density physicality. But that is not to say that there is no physicality in fourth density. In order to completely remove all attachment to physicality, one must reach sixth density or higher. Everything below that involves some aspect of physicality or attachment to physicality; as in fifth density, the contemplation zone, which is simply a recycling of those from 1st through 4th densities, in the etheric plane. They are brought back down and recycled into one of the physical realms. Each density level one through four, involves lesser and lesser physicality, as you know it, but nevertheless there still is physicality. Third density physicality, however, remains constant on third density when a being or a craft or an instrument of any kind manufactured or conceived in fourth density arrives in third density, it is able to navigate through third density in fourth density reality. However, when it malfunctions, whatever is left of it remains in third density. Those reports of objects or of any physical structure whatsoever, be it a being or a construct, disappearing from third density to fourth density, in each and every case, involves an object or a being, or a construct, which is not in the process of malfunctioning. It is still fully operational at its fourth density realm. It is merely visiting third density which has a limited capacity, as you measure time in its passage, therefore it does, indeed, remove itself naturally, at some point, to fourth density. However, if it malfunctions or is in any way broken or altered, it will remain in third density.

The variable physicality thing is a bit of a head scratcher; it doesn't have much precedent in esoteric traditions. To me, the best approximation of 4D existence for the layperson would be legends of wizards, who could turn into various things, teleport, work spells which gave them profound influence over the physical environment, and had a sort of hyperawareness of the subtle energies which animated the universe. It doesn't get too deeply into the time travel and technical aspects of how it might all function, but when I first started reading the material that was a mental image that popped into my head that I could relate to. I also thought of the Vorlons and the other First Races off the Babylon 5 series, but that show probably didn't go quite far enough and you have to be a bit of a sci-fi nut to appreciate it

I think that is a great summary of much of the thinking of the Cassiopaea community. It gives a broader vision connected to ideas of a battle between good and evil, and it's tied to the idea that their community is a unique "lighthouse" showing the way in a world of darkness. Somehow, the general idea goes, a small portion of people -- righteous and good in all the ways which matter -- will make it, and end up together in a bright future, while all the rest -- people unlike them -- will fail and become food for aliens.

An alternative idea, a way of looking at it which turns it all on its head, is this: The "tyranny world" in which people are like zombified controlled cyborgs is something that happens inside smaller groups and societies controlled by 4D STS in the shorter-term future, in arrangements which ultimately do not last. Eventually, the future becomes a different, and more positive, future, but in the short term 4D STS wants to establish little "kingdoms" on the planet and squeeze the people who move into them as much as possible. As for the larger world, it's on the whole going to be messy and metaphysically unpolarized (simply generally sloppy and chaotic) for a long time, containing the elements for bursts of both positive and negative activity for a long time.

Instead of several conflicting timelines, in each of which world events line up neatly into one particular picture of those described, maybe the future will, for a long time, contain a mixed-up mess, in which different persons go different ways. There could also be crises. But basically, I think the messy world will remain messy for a long time, while visions of more neat futures (both good and bad) will continue to be dreamed about by many.