Law of One Religion?

[Monica]

On another note, there is the example of Yogananda, whose body showed no signs of deterioration after he died until he was buried (or whatever they did with his physical body). But few humans have reached the level of evolution he had (in my opinion). He was also a vegetarian and I doubt very much he disrespected his physical body.

True. But, though vegetarian, he ate a lot of dairy. He died from a heart attack, at a relatively young age.

[Monica]

Monica, if you can be more specific about what "caretakers of Law of One" might/should do to "prevent" it gets turn into a religion -in the name of "right", of course-, then I guess "caretakers of Law of One" might respond more specifically as well.

I don't know how to do that. That's why I started the thread. I was hoping that others might have some ideas.

[Monica]

As a reminder, being STO is just a self righteous way of being STS. There is no good or bad polarity whatever unfold is the fufilling of different desires of the One. The duality that is perceived is looking into a mirror into yourself and that is the purpose of the said duality.

So all that stuff Ra said about Choice, and the 2 paths, is, what? Meaningless?

Ra said himself that both are one and the same if I remember correctly and that there is no duality, only the illusion of duality. Ra's main message is about Oneness not promoting duality. Law of One not Law of Two.

The two path holds true until your reach the point of transcending this duality and recognizing it as only a mirror into yourself. Prior to that there is only the act of service to self/others which is still service of One. The services always answer a need for them, there is nothing that is not called for.

Creation is the perfect arrangement for the fufilling of every desires as Creation is the manifestation of those desires. 

STO is STS because it is unconsciously fufilling your desire of being STO which is your service to self. While STS is STO because it is unconsciously fufilling the desires of others of learning lessons that come into being because of this duality.

Each different individuality is a servicing mirror for other ways of being to understand each other into Oneness. There is nothing that has no purpose into existence for all is One.

I don't think in terms of Ra's 'main' message but of Ra's complete message, at least as far as I am able to understand it. To leave out any part, in favor of another part, is to miss something important.

[Minyatur]

As a reminder, being STO is just a self righteous way of being STS. There is no good or bad polarity whatever unfold is the fufilling of different desires of the One. The duality that is perceived is looking into a mirror into yourself and that is the purpose of the said duality.

So all that stuff Ra said about Choice, and the 2 paths, is, what? Meaningless?

Ra said himself that both are one and the same if I remember correctly and that there is no duality, only the illusion of duality. Ra's main message is about Oneness not promoting duality. Law of One not Law of Two.

The two path holds true until your reach the point of transcending this duality and recognizing it as only a mirror into yourself. Prior to that there is only the act of service to self/others which is still service of One. The services always answer a need for them, there is nothing that is not called for.

Creation is the perfect arrangement for the fufilling of every desires as Creation is the manifestation of those desires. 

STO is STS because it is unconsciously fufilling your desire of being STO which is your service to self. While STS is STO because it is unconsciously fufilling the desires of others of learning lessons that come into being because of this duality.

Each different individuality is a servicing mirror for other ways of being to understand each other into Oneness. There is nothing that has no purpose into existence for all is One.

I don't think in terms of Ra's 'main' message but of Ra's complete message, at least as far as I am able to understand it. To leave out any part, in favor of another part, is to miss something important.

The complete message is Oneness, all he gives are insights to understand Oneness. He speaks many times of the duality of polarization yet aren't you the one excluding the part where Ra says it is an illusion. 

In the end, what Ra says is irrelevent to my message, it was meant from me to you.

[Diana]

If a being outside of 3D protects a human here from their decisions, say, to drink a diet coke, isn't that indirectly adding to the bigger problem of our poisonous food supply, and thus interfering?

What I'm getting at involves this type of question. Is the poisonous food supply a cause or effect of some lower blockage? I think that by valuing ourselves, certain decisions that on the outside may seem to support something negative, might lead to positive transformations elsewhere, thus supporting collective health. I think it's interesting to consider things non-linearly when it comes to self-acceptance.

I understand your point. But while it may forward self-acceptance, it would also continue to cause cruelty in the world (the effects of human consumption on other life forms and the planet itself). I just can't imagine evolved beings wanting to do this. I feel they would find another way. The overall gain would be questionable. 

Wouldn't it be better to provide a good example, while also accepting other people without judging? This has worked a lot in my life (not that I set out to do it). I know several people who no longer kill insects and remove them from the premises instead, because they have seen me do it. I never preached about it or even explained it (unless it was to a friend who asked or here in this forum where we discuss all many of things). They extrapolated their own ideas and had their own feelings about why I did such a thing. Compare this to: I kill life forms (insects) too because it's convenient, and I don't judge anyone else or myself for it; and I accept myself for it because I think it's all one anyway, and this promotes self-acceptance in others. We all eventually evolve to respect life after we love ourselves for who we are and become capable of seeing others as ourselves. Nothing wrong with that (except that I would not do it). 

The latter scenario is, in my opinion, not the optimal one.

[Bluebell]

aren't u preaching now?

[Diana]

I forgot to add in the above post that the people I know who now don't kill insects don't even realize they got that idea from me. Some may think I am being egotistical, but I'm not. These people are family and very close friends. Some are nephews who spent time with me growing up. I know this because of how they do it and what they say about it. It is also very unlikely they have encountered any other source to incite such action, although it is possible. None of them have had any interest in Buddhism or Hinuism for example.

In any case, it just makes me smile, no matter how it came about.

[Shawnna]

This whole dialog makes me sad.

Why does it make you sad? Have you not figured out yet that humans have foibles? 

{snip}

It makes me sad because of the judgment some have for the personal and unique choices made by others.

Who are we to judge the choices others make?  And some have written with such venom, albeit carefully disguised.

It saddens me.  

 

[Diana]

aren't u preaching now?

About what? 

[dreamliner]

It seems possible that given in the answers below, Don had made the connection that an effective way for Ra to teach would be to incarnate as a third density being such as Don and Carla, with the possibility of contacting your sixth density self. That way you preserve free will in the highest way possible by being a part of this forgetting, while also having to deal directly with your teachings as a learner (we're always doing that), and become entwined in their consequences. Trial by fire.

48.3 Questioner: Thank you. If you, Ra, as an individualized entity were incarnate on Earth now with full awareness and memory of what you know now, what would be your objective at this time on Earth as far as activities are concerned?

Ra: I am Ra. The query suggests that which has been learned to be impractical. However, were we to again be naïve enough to think that our physical presence was any more effective than that love/light we send your peoples and the treasure of this contact, we would do as we did do. We would be, and we would offer our selves as teach/learners.

48.4 Questioner: Knowing what you know now about our planetary condition and methods of communication, etc., if you, yourself as an individual had gone through the process of incarnation here as a Wanderer and now have memory of a sufficient way to have the objective that you just stated, what mechanisms would you seek out for the process of teach/learning in our present state of communication?
Ra: I am Ra. My brother, we perceive you have made certain unspoken connections. We acknowledge these and for this reason cannot infringe upon your confusion.

I guess what Ra meant in that dialogue is, Don made certain unspoken connections and it was highly probable to him that there was/were member/members from Ra as wanderers in their group.

[Bluebell]

So yes, some people get away with it.

It's strange isn't it. So the real question is why and how is that possible?

Many people who are focused on the spiritual path tend to forget we have physical bodies with a material, physiological basis, which should be taken into consideration. Some people have better physical genetic lines and stronger immune systems inherited in the DNA. They may have chosen this for whatever reasons. But if you were to do an autopsy on Uncle Charles who lived to be 99 while smoking 2 packs of cigarettes per day, I guarantee you would find evidence of the effects. It's just that some human bodies are better able to deal with toxins. There may be other reasons as well, but let's not forget that DNA and many other physical factors have some relevance.

I do think that we have the ability (not very much understood as yet) to consciously create our own reality regarding our bodies. We do it unconsciously, which may help to explain Uncle Charles as well. Illnesses can often be traced to emotional issues. 

On another note, there is the example of Yogananda, whose body showed no signs of deterioration after he died until he was buried (or whatever they did with his physical body). But few humans have reached the level of evolution he had (in my opinion). He was also a vegetarian and I doubt very much he disrespected his physical body.

so chain smoking is ok but meat is bad? hmm... i don't think so. u speak of doing harm to *one's body* then casually mention he was a vegetarian. uh, no. ur really talking about how morally wrong meat eating is. the morally wrong part causeth the disease?

wild animals eat meat. they're fit & healthy. i think cancer & other ill is cooking related. i eat meat currently out of health reasons. but i think cooked food in general is "bad" & meat is usually cooked, baked, fried etc.

perhaps Charlie lived to 99 because he didn't give a rat's ass.

meat eating isn't ideal but the more i get judged for it by self righteous people the less i feel wanting to stop is my decision & i instinctively go against oppression.

[Bluebell]

This whole dialog makes me sad.

Why does it make you sad? Have you not figured out yet that humans have foibles? 

{snip}

It makes me sad because of the judgment some have for the personal and unique choices made by others.

Who are we to judge the choices others make?  And some have written with such venom, albeit carefully disguised.

It saddens me.  

 

i hope my venom is less disguised. i'm honestly pissed & judging. sorry Diana.

[Diana]

It makes me sad because of the judgment some have for the personal and unique choices made by others.

Who are we to judge the choices others make?  And some have written with such venom, albeit carefully disguised.

It saddens me.  

 

Judging others is sad. But here, in this open forum, we are openly discussing subjects. All humans are imperfect as far as I can tell. So the trick is to simply not take judgments personally and forgive the judge, since the judging is their issue. And, we are all interested here, I assume, in growing and evolving based on at least in part, the LOO; and we help each other in myriad ways including unconscious catalyst. 

I agree their has been a lot of carefully disguised venom. In this case I try and exercise detachment.

[Bluebell]

forgive the judge because ur the judge.

we're each other.

[Minyatur]

It makes me sad because of the judgment some have for the personal and unique choices made by others.

Who are we to judge the choices others make?  And some have written with such venom, albeit carefully disguised.

It saddens me.  

 

Judging others is sad. But here, in this open forum, we are openly discussing subjects. All humans are imperfect as far as I can tell. So the trick is to simply not take judgments personally and forgive the judge, since the judging is their issue. And, we are all interested here, I assume, in growing and evolving based on at least in part, the LOO; and we help each other in myriad ways including unconscious catalyst. 

I agree their has been a lot of carefully disguised venom. In this case I try and exercise detachment.

In my understanding the judge should not be forgiven but thanked instead for he gives you an opportunity to raise your awareness of your own distortions. The judge is here because he was needed here, he plays his own role in the unfolding of Creation. All interactions among self and ohter-selves are but the meeting of two desires to complement each other.

All I see is division among those seeking Oneness, this thread seems to bring to light a lot of imbalances and should be viewed as a magnificent catalyst and not something undesirable.

[Diana]

So yes, some people get away with it.

It's strange isn't it. So the real question is why and how is that possible?

Many people who are focused on the spiritual path tend to forget we have physical bodies with a material, physiological basis, which should be taken into consideration. Some people have better physical genetic lines and stronger immune systems inherited in the DNA. They may have chosen this for whatever reasons. But if you were to do an autopsy on Uncle Charles who lived to be 99 while smoking 2 packs of cigarettes per day, I guarantee you would find evidence of the effects. It's just that some human bodies are better able to deal with toxins. There may be other reasons as well, but let's not forget that DNA and many other physical factors have some relevance.

I do think that we have the ability (not very much understood as yet) to consciously create our own reality regarding our bodies. We do it unconsciously, which may help to explain Uncle Charles as well. Illnesses can often be traced to emotional issues. 

On another note, there is the example of Yogananda, whose body showed no signs of deterioration after he died until he was buried (or whatever they did with his physical body). But few humans have reached the level of evolution he had (in my opinion). He was also a vegetarian and I doubt very much he disrespected his physical body.

so chain smoking is ok but meat is bad? hmm... i don't think so. u speak of doing harm to *one's body* then casually mention he was a vegetarian. uh, no. ur really talking about how morally wrong meat eating is. the morally wrong part causeth the disease?

wild animals eat meat. they're fit & healthy. i think cancer & other ill is cooking related. i eat meat currently out of health reasons. but i think cooked food in general is "bad" & meat is usually cooked, baked, fried etc.

perhaps Charlie lived to 99 because he didn't give a rat's ass.

meat eating isn't ideal but the more i get judged for it by self righteous people the less i feel wanting to stop is my decision & i instinctively go against oppression.

Holy moly, you got me wrong. Are you calling me self-righteous? Have at it if it blows your skirt up.

Um, where did I say chain smoking is okay? Where did I say meat is bad?

I mentioned that Yogananda was a vegetarian for the same reason you just said yourself: It's not ideal. I mentioned it as a possible cause for the health of his dead body in not deteriorating. I was canvassing different ideas of how people could live long while doing toxic or harmful things to the body.

This is a perfect example of the utter distortion where meat-eating is concerned. The emotional drama in my opinion derives from those in defense of eating meat. I said nothing about the morality of eating meat and met with the above reaction.

Going against so-called authority is commendable. It guarantees you make your own decisions. But (and here I know from experience), try not to cut off your nose to spite your face, as they say.

[AnthroHeart]

All I see is division among those seeking Oneness, this thread seems to bring to light a lot of imbalances and should be viewed as a magnificent catalyst and not something undesirable.

So is a disagreement an imbalance?

[Shawnna]

It's quite surprising how those who claim to be so evolved can justify their hurtful words.

Compassion and unconditional love are desirable traits and can always be reflected in our words even when discussing catalyst-inducing issues.

[Diana]

... this thread seems to bring to light a lot of imbalances and should be viewed as a magnificent catalyst and not something undesirable.

Touche to that.

[Minyatur]

All I see is division among those seeking Oneness, this thread seems to bring to light a lot of imbalances and should be viewed as a magnificent catalyst and not something undesirable.

So is a disagreement an imbalance?

Not necessarily, it'd be the Creator having difficulty understanding the Creator from different perspectives. Imbalances might have not been a good wording. In the end we are nothing but mirrors reflecting the Creator to others and seeing the Creator in others. There is no right or wrong.

---

O' Gemini wolf sometimes I wonder if you really are from 6D and under.

[Monica]

It makes me sad because of the judgment some have for the personal and unique choices made by others.

Only when those 'unique choices' cause suffering to innocent victims. I invite you to think about what the abolitionists must have experienced. Surely they encountered much opposition, and were accused of being 'judgmental' for trying to free the humans slaves.

Yet now, we consider them heroes, for their work. But they were very unpopular at the time.

Who are we to judge the choices others make?

This is exactly why I am always very careful to avoid judging any particular person. But where does moral relativism end? Do you think we can never say that anything is wrong? After all, who are we to judge the murderer, or the rapist? Should we just respect their choice and placate them, saying "It's ok if you 'choose' to rape that woman...it's fine...who am I to judge?" Is that what you think we should do in all cases?

And some have written with such venom, albeit carefully disguised.

If you perceive venom in the words of the vegetarians, you have misinterpreted. We feel only sadness, frustration, and a sense of urgency, as we hear the cries of the billions of souls crying out for help.

On the other hand, there has been plenty of outright venom - not even disguised at all, but quite explicit - directed at us.

It saddens me.  

 

Yes, it saddens us too...but not as much as hearing the cries of the victims saddens us...especially when those cries continue to go unheeded.

[Bluebell]

please Diana. u said chain smoking is negligible but vegetarianism must be a contributing factor to his health? LOL

"The emotional drama in my opinion derives from those in defense of eating meat."

lol. i'm not the one whose signature judges others & offends people. i don't tell u wut to eat. the emotion & drama is from being told wut to do. by self righteous people like u. i don't like that & naturally go against that because i came to this planet to be different than the herds. not better but different.

i don't defend eating meat, but currently it's wut i choose for my health. u weren't there when i got sick. i was vegetarian & i got very very sick. torture. maybe i can be ok w supplements but it's terrifying to me at the moment to rely solely on that. it broke me to be vegetarian until i caved to eat meat, i was suicidal. i was a burden to others. so i caved. i'm so  sorry i didn't live up to ur standards. it's why i'm emotional, because it fucking broke & tortured me to NOT eat meat.

my nose is great, thanks. my point was, forcing often backfires.

[Shawnna]

It makes me sad because of the judgment some have for the personal and unique choices made by others.

Only when those 'unique choices' cause suffering to innocent victims. I invite you to think about what the abolitionists must have experienced. Surely they encountered much opposition, and were accused of being 'judgmental' for trying to free the humans slaves.
 
Yet now, we consider them heroes, for their work. But they were very unpopular at the time.

Who are we to judge the choices others make?

This is exactly why I am always very careful to avoid judging any particular person. But where does moral relativism end? Do you think we can never say that anything is wrong? After all, who are we to judge the murderer, or the rapist? Should we just respect their choice and placate them, saying "It's ok if you 'choose' to rape that woman...it's fine...who am I to judge?" Is that what you think we should do in all cases?

And some have written with such venom, albeit carefully disguised.

If you perceive venom in the words of the vegetarians, you have misinterpreted. We feel only sadness, frustration, and a sense of urgency, as we hear the cries of the billions of souls crying out for help.

On the other hand, there has been plenty of outright venom - not even disguised at all, but quite explicit - directed at us.

It saddens me.  

 

Yes, it saddens us too...but not as much as hearing the cries of the victims saddens us...especially when those cries continue to go unheeded.

Do you feel better now?  If so, ask yourself why you feel so compelled to respond the way you do. 

With that, I'm done.  The hypocrisy here is toxic.

[Monica]

so chain smoking is ok but meat is bad?

No one said chain smoking is 'ok' in terms of health.

wild animals eat meat. they're fit & healthy.

Presumably, we're more evolved than wild animals.

i think cancer & other ill is cooking related. i eat meat currently out of health reasons. but i think cooked food in general is "bad" & meat is usually cooked, baked, fried etc.

Certainly, cooking is a factor, among many other factors to health.

The most comprehensive study ever done on diet shows that:

Animal Protein "Turns On" Cancer Genes - T. Colin Campbell PhD

meat eating isn't ideal but the more i get judged for it by self righteous people the less i feel wanting to stop is my decision & i instinctively go against oppression.

shrug

[Bluebell]

yes, i know i'm self righteous too. i think everyone is self righteous. everyone has their areas. their touchy zones.

[Minyatur]

Who are we to judge the choices others make?

This is exactly why I am always very careful to avoid judging any particular person. But where does moral relativism end? Do you think we can never say that anything is wrong? After all, who are we to judge the murderer, or the rapist? Should we just respect their choice and placate them, saying "It's ok if you 'choose' to rape that woman...it's fine...who am I to judge?" Is that what you think we should do in all cases?

As for the concern of Creation, the rape of a woman is an experience of Creator chosen by the Creator. The Creation is the perfect unfolding of the convergence of complementary needed experiences, there is nothing that is not needed. If the planet were to magically progress to 4D STO, it would lose the purpose as to why all incarnations on this sphere are here. STS happens because it is a chosen experience by all parties involved.

[Monica]

Do you feel better now?

Nope. There's no reason to feel better as long as billions of animals are still crying out, and self-professed 'spiritual' people don't care.

If so, ask yourself why you feel so compelled to respond the way you do. 

"The way I do" ?? Yes, I am indeed guilty of championing those who have no voice.

The hypocrisy here is toxic.

I agree with that.

[Bluebell]

"This is exactly why I am always very careful to avoid judging any particular person. But where does moral relativism end? Do you think we can never say that anything is wrong? After all, who are we to judge the murderer, or the rapist? Should we just respect their choice and placate them, saying "It's ok if you 'choose' to rape that woman...it's fine...who am I to judge?" Is that what you think we should do in all cases?"

so Carla is as good as a rapist?

[Monica]

so Carla is as good as a rapist?

OMG that is NOT what I said. That is offensive to imply that I said that.

Rape & other analogies / Relative value of animals vs humans / Meat-Eaters NOT being compared to rapists! But killing animals compared to killing/raping humans from the victim's perspective / Do we wish to emulate higher STO (drinking nectar) or higher STS (mutilating cattle and abducting lower density entities) entities?

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[Minyatur]

so Carla is as good as a rapist?

OMG that is NOT what I said. That is offensive to imply that I said that.

All is One.