Music: Spiritual Effects of Rock/Metal Music

[Aion]

METAL IS NOT JUST ABOUT "DARKNESS".

/infinitefacepalm

There are even a whole slew of metal bands which sing about occultism, spirituality and evolving through consciousness. It's just another case of appearance and imagery being taken at surface level.

[Minyatur]

Bullshit, bullshit, bullshit, etc.

All music is catalyst and like all catalyst is subject to the use of the individual.

Who is this adressed to?

[Aion]

Bullshit, bullshit, bullshit, etc.

All music is catalyst and like all catalyst is subject to the use of the individual.

Who is this adressed to?

Just a general comment out to the thread in regards to defining the effects of particular types of music for all individuals. I firmly believe that the interpretation of sound and music is entirely an individual affair.

Now, I do believe that certain sounds, harmonics, chords and tones are certainly tuned to creating particular effects and emotions. Any suggestion that any particular music in and of itself is 'bad' is asinine to me.

The only exception I would make is ritual music or music which has been made literally with positive or negative intentions, consciously and on purpose. In this regard I can contend there are some metal bands who are like this but it has nothing to do with it being metal and everything to do with the energy the individuals are putting in to their expressions. You could also have classical music that is full of negative intention if that's the force that was put in by the individual.

In most cases, if not all, however, I view music as expressive, and my reception of it as impression.

[Minyatur]

Bullshit, bullshit, bullshit, etc.

All music is catalyst and like all catalyst is subject to the use of the individual.

Who is this adressed to?

Just a general comment out to the thread in regards to defining the effects of particular types of music for all individuals. I firmly believe that the interpretation of sound and music is entirely an individual affair.

Now, I do believe that certain sounds, harmonics, chords and tones are certainly tuned to creating particular effects and emotions. Any suggestion that any particular music in and of itself is 'bad' is asinine to me.

The only exception I would make is ritual music or music which has been made literally with positive or negative intentions, consciously and on purpose. In this regard I can contend there are some metal bands who are like this but it has nothing to do with it being metal and everything to do with the energy the individuals are putting in to their expressions. You could also have classical music that is full of negative intention if that's the force that was put in by the individual.

In most cases, if not all, however, I view music as expressive, and my reception of it as impression.

Well said.

[AnthroHeart]

Dubstep sounds like purgatory to me.

[Lighthead]

Dubstep sounds like purgatory to me.

You're probably talking about brostep. Brostep is the mainstream version of dubstep. Real dubstep is actually quite good. Skrillex, for example, is brostep. The only thing I like about Skrillex is the high production value.

Here's a good example of good, experimental dubstep:

Actress -- Wrong Potion

[Plenum]

Dubstep sounds like purgatory to me.

lol.  That's a connection I would never have made myself

[Matt1]

I have listened to metal and rock most of my life. I couldn't get into pop music, a little to much like the hive mind for me. I heard that classical music is probably the best and traditional chants because they create positive geometrical shapes in water and the human body is mostly water. Metal on the other hand tends to create disharmony in vibration because of the distorted sound.

http://www.theguardian.com/music/musicbl...rebrainier

The above is an interesting article, i think it has something to do with being able to be an individual and not end up simply following the crowd or the hive.

[Jeremy]

Maybe I'm just getting old lol but I simply cannot listen to anything with electric guitar anymore. It is so loud and chaotic to me and it also seems very negative. The reason I think though is that Im still tying the music to my emotional state during the height of my listening which included angst and utter disdain for the world. Marilyn mansion music and especially his concert where he tore a bible to shreds further ignited my disgust with Christians during that time period. This music was my outlet for my frustration but also further enabled me to become so angry.

The odd thing in that I can definitely jam to drumstep and darker dubstep like figure whos music is much harder and darker than normal. Though there are times where I'm like meh this isn't right lol.

[AnthroHeart]

Dubstep sounds like purgatory to me.

You're probably talking about brostep. Brostep is the mainstream version of dubstep. Real dubstep is actually quite good. Skrillex, for example, is brostep. The only thing I like about Skrillex is the high production value.

Here's a good example of good, experimental dubstep:

Actress -- Wrong Potion

Skrillex is what freaked me out. First of the Year (Equinox). The middle just sounds so chaotic.

[Lighthead]

Dubstep sounds like purgatory to me.

You're probably talking about brostep. Brostep is the mainstream version of dubstep. Real dubstep is actually quite good. Skrillex, for example, is brostep. The only thing I like about Skrillex is the high production value.

Here's a good example of good, experimental dubstep:

Actress -- Wrong Potion

Skrillex is what freaked me out. First of the Year (Equinox). The middle just sounds so chaotic.

I actually like that song for the same reason I mentioned. That video is trippy.

[Diana]

Music, whatever it is, is something that aligns with something in you. It can align with different aspects of self. There is no one "right" music to listen to in my opinion, because what is, is. You can deny portions of yourself, but they are still there. People fragment to survive, but those parts of self fragmented and protected are still within. Music touches all parts of us, even the fragmented parts.

So I listen to whatever I feel like listening to. This includes almost everything. The only music that doesn't have any value to me is pop (mainstream and country) music—it's too shallow. Otherwise I might listen to Gipsy Kings one day, Tool the next, ambient chill the next, and Bach the next. I listen to whatever I'm drawn to at the moment, and just go with it. 

To only listen to a certain type of music in order to be in higher consciousness is like believing you will never be rich while saying affirmations that you are. If you feel an emotion but it's stuck inside or stuffed down, music can help release it and transmute it.

[Nicholas]

 The only music that doesn't have any value to me is pop (mainstream and country) music—it's too shallow.  I listen to whatever I'm drawn to at the moment, and just go with it. 

Could I tempt you into re-evaluating your assessment of mainstream pop? These 2 pop songs, if you listen to the message are appealing to the masses to believe in themselves, offering faith and inspiration

Excerpt: "All we're looking for is love and a little light"



And this one from Aloe Blacc, titled "Wake Me Up"! In a contemporary acoustic/country style.

Excerpt: "Life's a game made for everyone, and love is the prize."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M_o6axAseak

C'mon Diana, shake that booty! 

[isis]

[Matt1]

I think the grand daddy of all metal is BACH

[isis]

I think the grand daddy of all metal is BACH

If by 'metal' you mean 'classical'...

[Minyatur]

I think the grand daddy of all metal is BACH

If by 'metal' you mean 'classical'...

The structure of prog metal for exemple is very based of classical music.

Lots of classical pieces would be amazing with a metal sound.

[AnthroHeart]

I think the grand daddy of all metal is BACH

If by 'metal' you mean 'classical'...

The structure of prog metal for exemple is very based of classical music.

Lots of classical pieces would be amazing with a metal sound.

Trans-Siberian Orchestra. Metal music of classical pieces.


https://www.youtube.com/results?search_q...+Orchestra

[Lighthead]

 The only music that doesn't have any value to me is pop (mainstream and country) music—it's too shallow.  I listen to whatever I'm drawn to at the moment, and just go with it. 

Could I tempt you into re-evaluating your assessment of mainstream pop? These 2 pop songs, if you listen to the message are appealing to the masses to believe in themselves, offering faith and inspiration

Excerpt: "All we're looking for is love and a little light"



And this one from Aloe Blacc, titled "Wake Me Up"! In a contemporary acoustic/country style.

Excerpt: "Life's a game made for everyone, and love is the prize."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M_o6axAseak

C'mon Diana, shake that booty! 

That song is actually better than most pop songs. Just a side note: The video seems to have some MK-ULTRA themes, as a lot of videos nowadays seem to have.

But I can relate to not liking pop music. For me the majority of a song's appeal is the way it sounds. And pop and country songs, while the lyrics may be deep, the way the actual music sounds to the ear doesn't resonate on a very deep level with me. My favorite music mostly doesn't even have lyrics (just straight up electronic music), so if the music itself sounds "shallow" then you lost me with the majority of it. My ear really is geared to deciphering just the way the sound feels to the ear. It might also help that I'm into actually making music from time to time.

[Minyatur]

How can anyone not appreciate this?



I loved this song on acid, listened to it for a few hours on loop.

[Lighthead]

How can anyone not appreciate this?



I loved this song on acid, listened to it for a few hours on loop.

I actually do like this song. Progressive metal has more variation. I can hear the classical influences. But there's no accounting for taste because, even though I like this song, I'll take electronic music even over progressive metal any old day. It's just what your ear likes and is used to. And what your soul resonates to. I wonder why certain songs resonate so deeply with an individual's soul. It's not like if those songs were just made for one or two people. I could see myself resonating to one or two songs in my whole lifetime, but a whole genre of music? It's too strange to even think about it.

[Minyatur]

How can anyone not appreciate this?



I loved this song on acid, listened to it for a few hours on loop.

I actually do like this song. Progressive metal has more variation. I can hear the classical influences. But there's no accounting for taste because, even though I like this song, I'll take electronic music even over progressive metal any old day. It's just what your ear likes and is used to. And what your soul resonates to. I wonder why certain songs resonate so deeply with an individual's soul. It's not like if those songs were just made for one or two people. I could see myself resonating to one or two songs in my whole lifetime, but a whole genre of music? It's too strange to even think about it.

Good point, a song would be about the emotions whereas the genre can include any kind of emotion.

I've never been so much into electronic music not that I mind it. Also it's not like I enjoy any kind of metal whatsoever.

[Lighthead]

How can anyone not appreciate this?



I loved this song on acid, listened to it for a few hours on loop.

I actually do like this song. Progressive metal has more variation. I can hear the classical influences. But there's no accounting for taste because, even though I like this song, I'll take electronic music even over progressive metal any old day. It's just what your ear likes and is used to. And what your soul resonates to. I wonder why certain songs resonate so deeply with an individual's soul. It's not like if those songs were just made for one or two people. I could see myself resonating to one or two songs in my whole lifetime, but a whole genre of music? It's too strange to even think about it.

Good point, a song would be about the emotions whereas the genre can include any kind of emotion.

I've never been so much into electronic music not that I mind it. Also it's not like I enjoy any kind of metal whatsoever.

Same here. I don't just like any old electronic music. It just makes me think that there's something deeper going on with music than what the "scientists" would want to say or believe. The odds of hearing many different songs in your lifetime that you enjoy are very slim, "scientifically" or statistically. It just boggles the mind.

[Minyatur]

Well it's art in general.

[Lighthead]

Well it's art in general.

Well if you include all art (and you're right, art in general does follow the same formula) then we go even deeper down the rabbit hole. We won't even be able to see our own hands.

[Aion]

[Nicholas]

That song is actually better than most pop songs. Just a side note: The video seems to have some MK-ULTRA themes, as a lot of videos nowadays seem to have.

But I can relate to not liking pop music. For me the majority of a song's appeal is the way it sounds. And pop and country songs, while the lyrics may be deep, the way the actual music sounds to the ear doesn't resonate on a very deep level with me. My favorite music mostly doesn't even have lyrics (just straight up electronic music), so if the music itself sounds "shallow" then you lost me with the majority of it. My ear really is geared to deciphering just the way the sound feels to the ear. It might also help that I'm into actually making music from time to time.

MK-ULTRA themes!? I profoundly disagree Lighthead. In fact I would suggest that this song is aimed at indigo children, or the third wave of volunteers as described by Delores Cannon in her book "The Three Waves of Volunteers". Alesso has a key hung from his neck and he is entering into an asylum in order to free the children that are being held prisoner. Each have power's that hint towards 4th density work, yet are seen to be a danger to the public, hence being held captive in said asylum. 

My point was not all pop is shallow and by definition, in part, lyrics are an essential component for a song to be widely accepted. The other aspect is non-complex chords and melodies in a 'major' key. Perhaps its simplicity is what you find uninteresting?

Also, working for the light can involve entering into seemingly negative places in the attempt to connect with those that remain asleep, thus somewhat enamoured by the allure of our loyal opposition. 

We do have a little in common on the electronic music taste as I have experience as a part time DJ playing House in bars & clubs, learning the craft of how to read moods and create an emotional journey. I only ever made a few bootlegs though so cannot claim to having made my own as yet. I think I have derailed this thread enough, it might be more appropriate to create one that explores popular culture in the musical context.

Finally though I do completely agree that in the aggregate pop music lacks authentic expression. A classically trained pianist and electronic music producer friend insightfully said to me once "Mainstream music is 90% marketing and 10% creativity". 

[Diana]

Could I tempt you into re-evaluating your assessment of mainstream pop? These 2 pop songs, if you listen to the message are appealing to the masses to believe in themselves, offering faith and inspiration

Thank you Nicholas. I have a definite aversion to pop music and consequently I'm rarely exposed to any of the good stuff in that genre.

I have to agree with Lighthead. The lyrics are good, and I can definitely appreciate them, but the music still doesn't do it for me. The second song was better. At least in that one the singer looked as though he may understand or even have written the words. In the first one the girl singing didn't even seem capable. That's one of my problems with pop—as you said, it's mostly marketing. There seems to be a formula—find an attractive young person who can sing, couple them with safe music (pop almost always sounds so alike to me). The talented writers of these songs must know that, so they may write great lyrics but in order to sell their songs they have to put them into a "pop" sound. Unfortunately, the tepid pop sound diminishes the great lyrics for me. :/ 

I like a full experience where the music, words (if any), presence, and passion synergetically combine. A great example of a pop artist who rose above the tepidness of the genre is Michael Jackson. Aside from being ultra-talented as a performer, he wrote and choreographed his own stuff and his passion was obvious. And he had his own unique sound. Perhaps it's just recent years that pop has congealed into this "sound-alike" genre. 

[AnthroHeart]

I always liked Enter Sandman.

[Nicholas]

 The second song was better. At least in that one the singer looked as though he may understand or even have written the words. 

 A great example of a pop artist who rose above the tepidness of the genre is Michael Jackson.  

Yes, Aloe Blacc wrote and performed those lyrics within a couple of hours. Avicii, the producer expressed how lucky he was at finding Aloe available at such short notice.

Agree 100% with you on Michael Jackson