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09-27-2010, 05:48 PM
Ali, in that article, it almost spells out that the Amish are starting to get more autism because more of the younger ones are getting vaccinated than before. It almost implies that between the lines. Pretty good attempt at skewing the facts by the writer of that article.
09-27-2010, 08:33 PM
I don't think it says what you think it says.. The article clearly states that the Amish do take vaccines. Also that the Amish still seem to have less autism.
Quote:Strauss adds that the Amish have a high prevalence of genetic risk factors and are protected from others. The low rate of idiopathic autism “might have more to do what genetic structure of population than lifestyle, environment or diet.” Also their behavior of accepting each person as they are is linked by the article as another possible reason why Amish report less cases of autism. Since, like the article also states any treatment requires high quality communication we can assume that their environment is naturally therapeutic for people inflicted with autism. This pretty much sums it up. I know you guys feel strongly about this. But stopping vaccination will lead to thousands of unnecessary child deaths. I would have to be bloody sure before I would ever consider not vaccinating my child. And I worked for a short time in an epilepsy clinic where over 50% of the inhabitants were also diagnosed with some form of autism. I know what it's like. If anything the amish show us that we're failing to prevent some causes of autism by our social structures. It's hard being a cohesive family under the realities of everyday life, and that is the true drama here..
09-27-2010, 09:05 PM
The quote makes no sense. What?
 All kidding aside, I'll be presenting my case soon. Gotta look up the research again. 
09-28-2010, 07:08 AM
hello guys. i did this post based on an article i saw on the internet.
so much for that huh. there seems to be controversy about just what the amish do to say the least. i read the article Ali posted and one thing i got from that is that the writer implies that autism is connected to poor communication skills from the parents. thats a horrible implication imho. imagine being the parent of an autistic child and someone implying it to you horrible to even suggest it. one thing i do no is that i trust the gubmint and what it says as far as i can throw it, not to far. i have seen children have horrible reactions to vaccines a friend of ours almost lost their child from the mmr vaccine. also what i dont like with the vaccination method is that they give so many different ones at one time. that imho is not smart. you are dealing with a tiny being whose systems are nowhere near being fully developed and overloading them with many vaccines at once is not wise imho. again i think we should remember that we are in a 3d world. the motivation here is profit. i do not trust the vaccine makers at all For what it's worth. norral
09-28-2010, 07:16 AM
(This post was last modified: 09-28-2010, 07:43 AM by Ali Quadir.)
I know, medical terms
Basically she just says "Amish may get fewer cases of autism because they're fairly inbred. This is known to cause them to be vulnerable to some diseases. And protected from others."Maybe it's better to agree to disagree. I shared my opinion and you shared yours... We, as a forum, discussed vaccination in the past. I think we can predict the outcome. You present your case. I disagree with it. You disagree with my disagreeing. We're all brothers and sisters here.. No need to bother with that. If you want to know why I think what I think that's fine. If the information presented would change my mind, I'd expect it to have done so the previous time round. But please do look deeply into the research, don't just read the words of the people who disagree with vaccination only to repeat those.. Try to argue against their position, look up the other side. Question everything and make your judgment when one side clearly holds it's own and the other falls to rubble. In any topic like this. I always try to make the other side fit.. I always try to attack my own position. Be my first critic. If my position holds out, it's stronger when it encounters the next critic. So, it's up to you... (09-28-2010, 07:08 AM)norral Wrote: i read the article Ali posted and one thing i We don't have to imagine, that already happened. We're crawling out of that phase as we speak... Blame Freud for that one... I don't think the article reinforced that. Bad parenting doesn't cause autism... But good parenting can help people cope in much better ways, that last bit is factual.. Just like bad parenting doesn't cause blindness. But good parenting can help a child to cope with it so much better. Quote: one thing i do no is that i trust the gubmint and what it says as far as i can throw it, not to far. i have seen children have horrible reactions to vaccines a friend of ours almost lost their child from the mmrI would agree with that. Friends of mine just had kids. They actually reported getting kind of stazi visits. The assumption seems to be that you treat your kid badly until proven otherwise. But that's a different story. Quote: again i think we should remember that we are in a 3d world. the motivation here is profit. i do not trust the vaccine makers at allThe motivation for a company is obviously profit. But that does not mean mr Edward Jenner had any negative intent when he invented vaccines. He saved millions of lives by now. He saved more lives with his invention than any other work has ever accomplished. That companies want a profit does not mean vaccines are inherently bad for you. It certainly does not mean vaccines cause autism.
09-28-2010, 12:21 PM
I agree that the only way to come to any reasonable conclusions is too look at the argument presented from both sides.
Ali, I ask that you watch this ten minute video and tell me what you think about it. Thanks. 
09-28-2010, 01:41 PM
(This post was last modified: 09-28-2010, 01:43 PM by cosmoethicism.)
(09-28-2010, 12:21 PM)peelstreetguy Wrote: I agree that the only way to come to any reasonable conclusions is too look at the argument presented from both sides. (09-28-2010, 01:41 PM)cosmoethicism Wrote:(09-28-2010, 12:21 PM)peelstreetguy Wrote: I agree that the only way to come to any reasonable conclusions is too look at the argument presented from both sides.
09-28-2010, 01:54 PM
Peelstreetguy I am afraid the video didn't make it to my computer.. I could not find the link anywhere. If you try again I will watch it...
Also... Welcome Cosmoethicism
09-28-2010, 01:59 PM
Hello Dear Ones:
This is my first entry here. Glad to be in such a Sovereign group. I ignore what IMHO is. Multiple issues at hand in this thread. Addressing only the issue at hand, I would humbly dare to state that the topic has not been dwell into in the proper context. despite the excellent posts; and submit to you this. Vaccinations are absolutely harmful. An unbiased statistical analysis of the data will show that the reduction in communicable diseases has nothing to do with vaccination. It is simply the result of better and enhanced hygiene practices, not medical interventions. Thanks for allowing me to participate and my apologies for throwing a monkey wrench into the posts. Blessings.
09-28-2010, 02:22 PM
All additions and opinions are of course valuable and desired. But can you give this statistical analysis? I have been trained in statistics I should be able to understand it..
09-28-2010, 04:15 PM
Good Greetings:
Autism is related to exceeding maxium body load for cellular carrying capacity of toxins (environmental, metalic, and or energetic) and brain toxicity--- This can occur in a variety of ways--- vaccination is just one way. There is also an electromagnetic mismatch of energies that results in autism... as well as problems with Wanderer Children being harassed by Negative Greetings and/ the electromagnetic mismatch... this presents as autism spectrum disorder as well. I highly recommend the movie: Horse Boy http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cYkT_GndKtE I believe less is more... less vaccines at one time is the route that for me is the middle road. I am avoiding the MMR vaccination until my children are 4 years old... by then their neurotransmitters will have routed enough pathways and they will have more developed immune systems to deal with the heavy metals that the PTB are toxifying the vaccines with. I am all for the Tetnus Vaccine as well as for Rabies vaccine treatments. Vaccination without the additives of mercury, cadium etc is a safe method. The high incidence of autism did not begin to show until 1980-- this also coincides with the 3rd Wave of Wanderers and their upgraded nervous systems and DNA are not able to handle these body loads of toxicity. Through in being an empath being parented by parents who are deeply entrenched in 3rd Dimensional behavior (harshness, poor communication, authoritarian, abusive) and autistic spectum disorder is often the result. Some environmental toxins are found in food, water and the very houses that some live in. These toxins effect the electromagnetic balance in the body leading to autistic spectrum disorders... This is of course all hypothesis because no one is willing to truly do a double blind study and get to the bottom of this array of disorders... the cost would be too much in lost profits of doing business as usual. Ali, with the utmost respect, the Amish I know do not even go to doctors. They do not believe in the "English" ways. "English" is anyone that is not Amish. There may be some Amish that are now vaccinating their children just as some Amish have embraced using electric lights and milking pumps in their barns but no electricity in the house... etc. One of the influences that may be in the favor of a low autism rate in Amish communities is a varied and organic diet produced without any additives, chemicals and GMO's. They also eat a tremendous amount of fermented foods which are high in Vitamin B's. They are also very gentle in their approach to raising children. They practice soft voice and usually the community assists in raising the children. In modern society, us "English" isolate from each other. How many of you actually know you could call on your neighbors to help you in a time of need? I would venture to say, most of you would say no. No, I do not know my neighbors. No, I would not call on them. No, they would not help me. No, No, No community. There is an underlying social norm that dictates seperation and isolation from your neighbors and community. We put on our community mask when we go out into the places we live. We contritely wave to our neighbors and then scurry to our automobiles and drive solitarily to our jobs where we contritely wave to the people we work with. I would venture to say most go without conversation or speaking to another all day long. The west is good at conveying information. Information however does not create community. Information can be isolating. Further, in Amish communities the well water is closer to living water. This is also an essential thread to this disorder that has largely been overlooked. Living water is healing to the body and essential for body and brain health. The legends of being healed by water are true. Many autistic kids are severely dehydrated because the water they are drinking is not hydrating them. The water molecules are too big for the cells to take in. Blessing water assists in this but is not enough. There is much info surfacing concerning this. As with all things, the brain-soul interface is a complicated and delicate balance that is often influenced by several if not many factors. fairyfarmgirl
09-28-2010, 05:19 PM
Dear fairyfarmgirl, the preview of the horse boy brought tears to my eyes. I will see the full documentary if I get a chance.
The thought did come to mind, that a horse doesn't heal brain damage... A horse draws a young boy in. Mercury is bad.. Eating fish however quickly introduces a larger dose of mercury to your system. You say that the prevalence of autism began to grow around the 1980's.. Which is only about a decade after we had proper diagnosis for it. Considering that the information was transferred by journal in those days it's logical to expect more and more diagnosis will be made in that decade. The occurrences of a disorder we count are not the same as the real occurrences. There's a good chance they've always been with us. There's even a chance like horseboy's mother says that they're not actually damaged or sick. Watch this, we don't understand autism yet. First part she shows in her language, second part she shows the same in our language translated by a computer. Do watch until the second part the first part can be difficult if we don't understand it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JnylM1hI2jc It's not what I learned in university. She's not supposed to be able to do that... She's also not the only one who spoke out since she did. With all respect fairyfarmgirl and everyone else.. I know we are on opposing perspectives. I doubt I'll change my mind because I've been studying this one of the last times it came round. I don't really think autism is equal to brain damage. I do think it's quite likely related in some way to wanderer children. I don't really want to change your minds, the way I see it you're all adults making choices and I want to respect that. Kids have died for not being vaccinated, and since the antivax movement came up child death occurred more and more. So I feel obliged to put in this word of caution. Just because the Antivax community believes firmly in their cause doesn't make them right. Namaste
09-28-2010, 05:25 PM
09-28-2010, 05:44 PM
09-28-2010, 05:50 PM
No one on Earth has the resources for such a task; perhaps The Pharma Cartel could but that would be like comitting suicide.
So, we do not have such a study; but anyone with enough motivation on the subject, can browse the development of cities in the last century. Sewer systems, running water and toilets, aqueducts, chlorinacion of potable water, etc. If these fact are correlated with the gradual reduction in lots of infant/adult infections in parallel with those improvements in hygine, then, just simple common sense will give you the answer. Just look at poor countries that lack hyhiene structures. Yes, it is not scientific, but I wonder how humans managed before this bias science of ours was "invented" 50 years ago.
09-28-2010, 06:32 PM
My assertion was not that Autistic People are brain damaged. Toxcity is very aggravating toward the body! Distracting to the mind! And without the means to speak about what is bothering you so people can understand you is downright infuriating!
My assertion is We, the adults must learn to communicate better from an emotive place rather than an information place. This is the lesson that the movie Horse Boy teaches us. That is the lesson my son taught me as well. He also taught me the benefits of clean living emotionally, psychologically and physically and spiritually. Clean living means no heavy metals in our food, vaccines and water. Clean living means taking good care to be in harmony with your food and water. That is the lesson that I have learned. My son was diagnosed with Autistic Spectrum Disorder. He used to scream for hours, bang his head to the point of self injury, bite, kick, refuse to eat, and toilet... It was.... very difficult. This all began to occur after being vaccinated with 10 vaccines all at once. Before this event, he was a sweet natured loving child who loved to interact with people, was speaking, eating food and highly interested in toileting. (he was 22 months). About 1 week after vaccination he developed full body eczema and the behaviors began. It took me a year to figure out what had happened to him... I knew something was amiss. For Goodness sakes it does not take a double blind study to observe a reaction to something. It took me another 4 years to finally address all the behaviors that impeded him from interacting with his world successfully. The head banging stopped after adjusting his diet and consulting with a shaman on clearing our apartment. This is where I have learned to clear energy from healing my son. This is long before I knew of the internet and long before I knew of Ra. I also believe Autism is really being a specialist in life. High functioning Autistic People are specialist in their chosen fields of study. There has always been high functioning Autistic People in the world... what I believe has changed is there are now more Autistic People. This does not mean they are deficient--- they are simply learning differently and communicating through emotive means and sometimes telepathically! It is the modern 3rd Dimensional World that is out of sorts and needing to be balanced and healed. Almost all the diseases that are vaccinated against are water borne diseases in filthy fecal laden water. Human fecal matter that is. It seems to me that the PTB and most of humanity chose to create vaccinations rather than address the true issues of poor sanitation, polluted water, malnutrition and crowded living conditions. If these human rights conditions were addressed most of all diseases would disappear. Only a few Vaccines are not necessary for longevity. Nutrition, genetics, clean water and air and uncrowded living conditions are. Further, Malaria kills more children world wide than any vaccineable diseases. Even further more, more children die at the hands of their caregivers (parents, slave owners, relatives) than any that die of Malaria. And further still, more children die than those two categories above from malnutrition. Yet, all the talk is about vaccinations saving the day. What about clean water, plenty of nutritious food, a loving and caring caregiver and comfortable and dry dwelling place with screens on the windows and doors to block mosquitoes--- not one of these issues are even addressed except in passing. It is always about vaccinations. I just find it all to be exasperating! fairyfarmgirl
09-29-2010, 02:33 AM
wow. powerful powerful testimony fairy farm girl. thanks for sharing
that !!! you just demonstrated what i was feeling about all of these multiple vaccines at once. it is definitely not good for the little people at all. i will share your story with my son and his wife. they have a 4 year old and an 11 month old. norral
09-29-2010, 08:34 AM
Thanks peelstreetguy, I had actually already seen this... I would recommend getting information from more reliable sources than american talk shows.. They like lawyers thrive on controversy. Money is to be made where truth is unclear. If the truth is clear there would be nothing to say, nothing to earn... I would not automatically assume an investigative journalist is more out to uncover the truth than to advance his own career. In these cases they consciously mislead people to get attention.
First of all one thing you should know is that even though the amount of diseases vaccinated for went up, the amount of actual toxicants for all vaccines received was reduced to a 14th of the dose in the 1980's. There have been numerous researches trying to prove a connection between vaccination and autism, they have all consistently failed to prove any link. Mercury is almost completely banned except for a variety of flu shots... You DO get more mercury from eating fish every day for a week than you get from vaccines. You get more disease vectors in your system by just going to school for a week than you get from a vaccine shot. IF the link were true we should see a steady decline in autism in the last 20 years. The preventative function of vaccination has been proven without a doubt time and time again... Drop vaccination in the hope that maybe you avoid autism but you're then guaranteed to be playing Russian roulette with your kids. Measles, is highly contagious, 90% of the non immune people will get measles if they share a home with someone who has the measles. That's almost a guarantee. Of every 1000 cases 3 die, and over 100 have serious complications that require hospitalization... This is but one disease that is avoided by vaccination. The measles initiative by the united nations reduced the death toll from 900 thousand in 1999 to 160 thousand in 2008. They are going for eradication. You guys should study the science and not trust what the television tells you. The idea that science is "the enemy" that it belongs to "the powers that be" is far removed from reality. You don't have to be a member of a secret group to be a scientist. The whole point of science is that it is open and verifiable. Yes kids will get autism, that this is the result of vaccination is just conjecture, in spite of much research, and the people who make the claim are the people who make money from ambiguity or the people who believe them. If we do not vaccinate kids they will still get autism. There is no evidence that autism is on the rise. Just because we found a lot more cases 10 years after we invented a name for the disorder doesn't mean it suddenly appeared. The exact same thing happened for ADHD... We do know for a fact that if we don't vaccinate many many children are going to die or get deformed by diseases that are entirely preventable. I know without a doubt that even if vaccination played a part in autism. I would STILL vaccinate them because the alternative is much much worse and much more likely to occur. Not only that, the presence of an unvaccinated kid can in certain cases endanger the lives of kids who have not yet received their vaccination shot. We've really been through all this before. I know your feelings. I just happen to disagree. You're all adults, do what you please the responsibility rests on your shoulders. But please don't allow the opinions of so called investigative journalists to outweigh the opinions of all scientists. This is not good... And it is the consequence of this belief. These are the actually reported deaths and disease cases. Not incidentally reported cases of autism linked to a vaccine by a journalist. Do you see this many diseases on the news? No because it isn't sexy, and it doesn't sell. The opposite sells, especially with a few shots of Jenny McCarthy added true or not.. Please use your discernment.
09-29-2010, 11:57 AM
Well I’m no expert on vaccinations or autism, but I AM somewhat of an expert on the Amish. Not exactly by choice, but only because I was born and raised in an Old Order Amish family.
The bottom line is, some do and some don’t, it’s entirely up to the individual families. We all went to a private school which didn’t have any vaccination requirements like public schools do. We had a cousin who was disfigured by polio, and had a long battle with it, so… our parents took us in for a polio vaccination, and I got one other shot, for a total of 2 vaccinations, instead of the ridiculous 30 or 40 they make you get these days. That’s my story and I’m stickin’ to it! 
09-29-2010, 01:36 PM
dear manny
thanks for posting . i would be very interested in hearing of your experiences growing up in the amish world. we have vacationed a lot in lancaster county and we would have moved there years ago if i could have gotten a job in the area. we love lancaster and its people and its churches norral
09-30-2010, 02:49 AM
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(09-29-2010, 08:34 AM)Ali Quadir Wrote: Thanks peelstreetguy, I had actually already seen this... I would recommend getting information from more reliable sources than american talk shows.. They like lawyers thrive on controversy. Money is to be made where truth is unclear. If the truth is clear there would be nothing to say, nothing to earn... I would not automatically assume an investigative journalist is more out to uncover the truth than to advance his own career. In these cases they consciously mislead people to get attention. (09-30-2010, 02:49 AM)cosmoethicism Wrote:(09-29-2010, 08:34 AM)Ali Quadir Wrote: Thanks peelstreetguy, I had actually already seen this... I would recommend getting information from more reliable sources than american talk shows.. They like lawyers thrive on controversy. Money is to be made where truth is unclear. If the truth is clear there would be nothing to say, nothing to earn... I would not automatically assume an investigative journalist is more out to uncover the truth than to advance his own career. In these cases they consciously mislead people to get attention. Dear Ali Quadir Apologies before hand. I must say that I admired your resiliency and good nature trust in the systems that have alienated us for years.. Our Augustus holier than thou Scientists had too many shortcomings to list here, so do the "peer review journals" as Lancet. Will mention just one: They are controlled by the Pharma Cartel who sell the pills for this condition. Genes are a Tabula Rasa, that is, they respond to the perceptions that are fed to them. Even before conception, the thinking and deeds of the mates begin to influence the genes in sperm and ovum. After their coital act, the perceptions continue to play a role in both structures. In the sperm while traveling to his target and in the ovum awaiting the penetracion by the sperm. Once the fusion is completed (conception), only the thinking of the receptive vessel (future mother) influences the genes, for 3-5 days until the fertilized egg travels towards the uterus, this influencing continues up until birth. After the egg diggs a nest in the endometrium and starts cell multiplication and development, everything that happens to the mother is perceived by the future baby, from foods ingested, feelings, perceptions emotions, etc; all that the mother endures/enjoy is "felt" and the DNA in the future baby begins to make adjustments. This adjustments will manifest after birth. The British (Lancet) are the pioneers in this school which says that intra uterus conditions determine what kind of person the baby will be. So, genes do not determine anything; they are just a nicely pack compound of molecules reacting to the outside influences that the mother is exposed to during pregnancy. The physical characteristic of the baby are not in these considerations since those ones are there for physical (somatic) characteristic only. As to ADHD is very simply that these Indigo kids with a much more improved brain than ours, do not fit in the rigid, box in systems we have today. Just think of you, a fully functional being force to use the rehab material for those who have had a stroke. You will be frustrated, annoyed and probably break some dishes. Those kidsthat did not fit in our prehistoric system of education and they labeled the baby with that tag ADHD. Those with the tag get to "take pills" enriching furthermore the Pharma Cartel No need to despair, there are options such as getting the kid out of the system and sending him to Rudolph Steiner or Montessoy Schools. Be careful with HRS and the county health department. This would be a beginning. if you want more info, a blog post is not suited to discuss those issues because of HIPPA Laws enacted and privacy concerns. So, those of you with an autistic or ADHD child, rejoice in the gift you have received and thanks and praise the Creator for it. There are altrnative, please seek them
09-30-2010, 04:23 AM
(09-30-2010, 02:49 AM)cosmoethicism Wrote: Apologies before hand. I must say that I admired your resiliency and good nature trust in the systems that have alienated us for years..And what would this system be? The system of educating yourself and figuring out how things work for yourself so you don't need to be dependent all the time on external figures of authority? Like for example the controversy journalists who thrive on ambiguity and uncertainty? Is their agenda really to enlighten you? Or to keep you hooked on their drug? If you really believe genes have nothing to do with anything then you really haven't been paying attention... I agree that it's not the whole story.. But the suggestion that we are tabula rasa was uttered in seriousness last somewhere 50 years ago... We are clearly not and most people know better by now. If you want to go into the evolution of behavior, let me know. The scientific mistrust is misplaced. Science is not a group of people with an opinion or agenda. It is a methodology applicable by ANYONE including you and me. It has nothing to do with priests who tell us what to believe or organizations who impose a truth. It's a body of knowledge and a methodology that anyone can use to verify the body of knowledge. The fact that some people have tried to hide their propaganda behind science doesn't make the propaganda true, and if people had a bit more insight in science they could call them out on that. But alas, instead we just decide to mistrust all of science...
09-30-2010, 07:21 AM
True Science with Compassion results in the same answers as True Spirituality with Compassion. Both arrive at the same place: The Law of One.
fairyfarmgirl
I used to have a view similar to Ali. As a vet nurse I have seen puppies die of preventable illnesses (I will add these were also the puppies from puppy farms.)
I'm now firmly with FFG - threw my own research and much investigation. I was blessed with a very sensitive little boy who reacted to his vaccinations. I was faced with the difficult choice of more vaccines or not. My instincts were telling me no - I felt physically sick at the thought of taking him, but my mind was telling me yes. Ultimately I was in the position of having to decide what I thought was of more risk to my Son. Conventional treatment had already failed to treat his ‘Eczema’ I resolved this myself with organic clothing, change of diet and elimination of all detergents. I spent weeks researching reading research papers, articles and looking at studies. I've studied science at Uni so am familiar with statistics and the scientific method, as a vet nurse I'm comfortable with medical terminology. The big warning light for me was the one study into MMR into the UK - it was a large epidemiological study. I discovered the raw data was never released to any other peers. There was only ever the original statistical analysis done by the researcher and there was a conflict of interest there. Forgive me for jumping to conclusions - but I like to look at the raw data.. There’s a lot you can do with statistical manipulation. What other reason other than hiding something would they have for with holding the original raw data? I found little actual 'evidence' I was happy with that confirmed the safety and effectiveness of mass vaccination. I was also concerned about what happens to nautral immunity? When I was growing up it was 'normal' to get sick - I could offer may babys my immunity I'd gained in childhood. For me I broke it down into - 1) I take the risk of vaccinating my sensitive son with a vaccine that may or may not work, and may or may not damage him. 2) I don't vaccinate and risk that He may or may not get an illness If he dose get an illness, he may or may not get it seriously If he dose get it seriously, there may or may not be any lasting problems. It is ultimately a difficult decision that every parent must make on behalf of there child for most children vaccinations are fine but for some they are not safe. I see my sensitive son as a gift. In my eyes these sensitive children are a reflection of what we are doing to our planet. These children born in higher and higher volumes are so sensitive to life on modern earth that they are prescribed steroids and medications to stop there body’s doing what comes naturally. I see these children as a catalyst for all to look hard at how we are living what we are doing to our planet and our children. Like others have mentioned these children can be transformed completely with Alternative education, pure food water, organic clothing and elimination of chemicals - As I see it they are showing the way for change. xx
09-30-2010, 08:40 AM
(09-30-2010, 04:23 AM)Ali Quadir Wrote:(09-30-2010, 02:49 AM)cosmoethicism Wrote: Apologies before hand. I must say that I admired your resiliency and good nature trust in the systems that have alienated us for years..And what would this system be? The system of educating yourself and figuring out how things work for yourself so you don't need to be dependent all the time on external figures of authority?
09-30-2010, 09:05 AM
I'm sorry cosmoethicism I think you forgot to post any text...
09-30-2010, 09:19 AM
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09-30-2010, 07:23 PM
I have a few questions to pose, and also some quotes that in my opinion relate to this subject. I realize that this can be a very dividing subject, and would like to try and approach it from a Law of One perspective. Keep in mind this particular view is my own, and I respect everyone's choice in opinion.
Why is there so much fear of disease? Are we to vaccinate out of fear or necessity? And is there really a necessity if our immune system is functioning properly? The Creator would not have made us with flawed immune systems unless we chose a particular distortion to live with. That being said, I think we continually choose our body's state of being based on our choices in diet, lifestyle, intent, and what degree of respect with which we treat it. Also, if there is a distortion of the mind that is not dealt with properly, it will be taken on by the body in a way that demands attention. Do we see the body/mind/spirit complex as being a sacred and complete incarnation of the One Infinite Creator or do we view it as an incomplete clothing of flesh that holds the mind and spirit of the One without being able to control its own processes? Is pumping an unnatural arrangement of chemicals and second-density beings directly into our body complex an action that is resonant with the Original Thought? Is getting a vaccination an act of love towards one's body complex or is it done in fear of the distortion we call disease? I am also personally quite uncomfortable with anything that is pushed upon us in such a way that freedom of choice is encroached upon. 23.15 Questioner: I was really questioning about the more basic cause of disease rather than the mechanism of its transmission. I was going back to the root of thought that created the possibility of disease. Could you briefly tell me if I am correct in assuming the general reduction of thought over the long time on planet Earth with respect to the Law of One created a condition whereby what we call disease could develop? Is this correct? Ra: I am Ra. This is correct and perceptive. You, as questioner, begin now to penetrate the outer teachings. The root cause in this particular society was not so much a bellicose action although there were, shall we say, tendencies, but rather the formation of a money system and a very active trading and development of those tendencies towards greed and power; thus, the enslaving of entities by other entities and the MISAPPREHENSION OF THE CREATOR WITHIN EACH ENTITY. 34.7 Questioner: Do what we call contagious diseases play any part in this process with respect to the unmanifested self? Ra: I am Ra. These so-called contagious diseases are those entities of second-density which offer an opportunity for this type of catalyst. IF THIS CATALYST IS UNNEEDED, THEN THESE SECOND-DENSITY CREATURES, AS YOU WOULD CALL THEM, DO NOT HAVE AN EFFECT. In each of these generalizations you may please note that there are anomalies so that we cannot speak to every circumstance but only to the general run or way of things as you experience them. 66.34 Questioner: This planet, to me, seems to be what I would call a cesspool of distortions. This includes all diseases and malfunctions of the physical body in general. It would seem to me that, on the average, this planet would be very, very high on the list if we just took the overall amount of these problems. Am I correct in this assumption? Ra: I am Ra. We will review previous material. Catalyst is offered to the entity. If it is not used by the mind complex it will then filter through to the body complex and manifest as some form of physical distortion. The more efficient the use of catalyst, the less physical distortion to be found. There are, in the case of those you call Wanderers, not only a congenital difficulty in dealing with the third-density vibratory patterns but also a recollection, however dim, that these distortions are not necessary or usual in the home vibration. We over-generalize as always, for there are many cases of pre-incarnative decisions which result in physical or mental limitations and distortions, but we feel that you are addressing the question of widespread distortions towards misery of one form or another. Indeed, on some third-density planetary spheres catalyst has been used more efficiently. In the case of your planetary sphere there is much inefficient use of catalyst and, therefore, much physical distortion. We have enough energy available for one query at this time.
10-01-2010, 10:40 PM
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(09-30-2010, 07:23 PM)Joseph326 Wrote: I have a few questions to pose, and also some quotes that in my opinion relate to this subject. I realize that this can be a very dividing subject, and would like to try and approach it from a Law of One perspective. Keep in mind this particular view is my own, and I respect everyone's choice in opinion. Dear Joe: First let me tell Al Quadir that my answer to his post will follow these lines to your post. Your post is what I would call a blog busting post. What an acumen and knowledge o the Law of One distill form you statements. Here we are, just surfing about vaccines,autism, etc enjoying the distortions offered by the illusion and the distractions that we are capable of engaging our precious time in when BANG!, your post grabbed all of us and without adequate pressure suits, you pulled us down from the sea surface to the depth of the Marianna Trenches (9000 miles down) and left everyone speechless (I have been waiting to see a reply, none thus far). You really hit the nail in the proverbial head except for one little gap in you reasoning, I see no way of refuting or rebutting your arguments. It is nearly perfect. You do know your Ra stuff and I wish I had half the knowledge of it that you have. My humble and sincere congratulations for an exposition of the body/mind/spirit complex as lucid as if they were coming from the social memory complex of 6th density of Ra. The only weakness in your poignant considerations stems from the fact that the body/mind/spirit complexes subjected to these vaccinations and the like, do not have the free will to reject them. Those interventions are imposed on them by the body/mind/spirit complexes that birthed and nurtured those little ones. My lines of reasoning then, begs the question, Why do the body/mind/spirit complexes responsible for those little ones force those substances on them? My response should be that they do it out of submission to the enslaving distortions we have been subjected to for so many millenniums; they do it because they lack Sovereign Consciousness; they do it because traditions have blinded them; they do it because an elite called scientist "studied" the topic and made those recommendations; they do it because the County/State/Federal Health authorities will take the little ones away; they do it because some physical or non physical superior, under the disguise of "it is better for them", tells them. I could answer my own question by saying that after having read plenty of information to have sovereign Consciousness, including the Ra Material, we are still deaf, dumb and blind in spite of having an inner knowing in the heart that knows it all, we fail to pay attention to its yearnings. But I am too new in this blog to be making such strong and alienating statements. So I will answer my question by saying that they allow their children to be sickened with those distortions of healing simply because they are still too innocent about the ways and deceptions of our dear brothers of the self serving path. Again, Thanks for bringing me back to 1985 when I read An Ancient Astronaut Speaks aka The Ra Material. Blessings in The Love and The Light of The One Infinite Creator Dear Bloggers/Chatters: Sorry to have put Joe´s comments above mine. I am still learning my ways here. My apologies.
10-02-2010, 12:52 AM
Cosmo, there's no need to apologize for anything at all! We're not some secret elite group here. We're just normal everyday people! :p There's no constraints on post length or quote order. Haha! I think you do answer your own question in your post.
Joe, let me say that I found your post very enlightening and share your perspectives in this regard! |
