A Fourth Choice

[AndresOr]

...Or is it something Ra has put through...

I can confirm that this is pretty much how Ra described what happens after our incarnation.

Well i believe valtor has explained it very well, maybe you should try to understand a little bit about the differences between density and dimension, within 3rd density are an infinity number of dimentions, but it is still 3rd density, in this planet in this time period i believe it is only possible to experience a highest 3rd density experience and a very early 4rd density experience, i believe it is not posible to experience any of fifth density or sixth density light , not even in time/space (astral, dream space, ethereal, etc).

[BrownEye]

and may then choose, either by means of automatically provided aid or by the self, the conditions of the next incarnation.

Isn't it weird to think of the people that do not choose their incarnation, nor their experiences? They are just thrown into the game?

The other thing that itches me, why do so many believe that they are a wanderer, yet worry about harvest? Making the grade should not mean anything if you already did so and returned as a wanderer.

[omcasey]

Well i believe valtor has explained it very well, maybe you should try to understand a little bit about the differences between density and dimension, within 3rd density are an infinity number of dimentions, but it is still 3rd density, in this planet in this time period i believe it is only possible to experience a highest 3rd density experience and a very early 4rd density experience, i believe it is not posible to experience any of fifth density or sixth density light , not even in time/space (astral, dream space, ethereal, etc).

Andres,

Yes I have that part thank you..

Even though I work with the idea of a structure of 7 myself, 7 levels of experience within each dimension.. but the number, or structure, or way of understanding is not high in importance, it's just a subjective way in which TO understand and work. I feel your sentiment, I think, about the rest.. The one thing that may be informing me a little differently than you, is that I seem to have begun a reintegration with a deeper layer of my being which makes it possible for me to experience, from my location here as many as four distinct depths / densities beyond the physical. It is true that I may not yet have exceeded what is in truth a 3D experience of this [I do not know], but the potentiality to is quite clear. Even if not probable, it is possible to such a high degree there is neigh but delight and joyful curiosity in it's regard. It makes life so! fun.


Casey

[Patrick]

and may then choose, either by means of automatically provided aid or by the self, the conditions of the next incarnation.

Isn't it weird to think of the people that do not choose their incarnation, nor their experiences? They are just thrown into the game?

They do choose. Their higher-self, who chooses, is their self.

The other thing that itches me, why do so many believe that they are a wanderer, yet worry about harvest? Making the grade should not mean anything if you already did so and returned as a wanderer.

I guess that it's not difficult sometimes to be a bit tired of some aspect of this world. So they are just homesick, they want to make sure that they can go home after this.

[omcasey]

The other thing that itches me, why do so many believe that they are a wanderer, yet worry about harvest?

Pickle,

I don't know.. who is doing this?

With me it is that I feel certain imperatives, in certain directions.. when I move in these directions I feel JOY, when I am missing the mark I begin having that feeling there is something deeply important I am forgetting. I begin receiving time constraint lessons from within. It can get to be excruciating. To the point of a sort of depression / serious bent on practice to the exclusion of all else. Until I catch the balance point, and ultimate wave, that begins moving me at an appropriate speed in a given direction. Falling off the balance point is almost not an option anymore. There is no more room for it. Departing without fulfilling my purpose [mission] is unacceptable. This is where my concern rests absolutely. The remainder.. the concepts / language I am here integrating is play. Communications, code, pattern, is the arena in which my being works.


Casey

[AndresOr]

Well i believe valtor has explained it very well, maybe you should try to understand a little bit about the differences between density and dimension, within 3rd density are an infinity number of dimentions, but it is still 3rd density, in this planet in this time period i believe it is only possible to experience a highest 3rd density experience and a very early 4rd density experience, i believe it is not posible to experience any of fifth density or sixth density light , not even in time/space (astral, dream space, ethereal, etc).

Andres,

Yes I have that part thank you..

Even though I work with the idea of a structure of 7 myself, 7 levels of experience within each dimension.. but the number, or structure, or way of understanding is not high in importance, it's just a subjective way in which TO understand and work. I feel your sentiment, I think, about the rest.. The one thing that may be informing me a little differently than you, is that I seem to have begun a reintegration with a deeper layer of my being which makes it possible for me to experience, from my location here as many as four distinct depths / densities beyond the physical. It is true that I may not yet have exceeded what is in truth a 3D experience of this [I do not know], but the potentiality to is quite clear. Even if not probable, it is possible to such a high degree there is neigh but delight and joyful curiosity in it's regard. It makes life so! fun.


Casey

So rejoice now my dear, be all that you want to be, it doesn't matter the specificity of things, haha although it is very cool to find out...

namaste

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The other thing that itches me, why do so many believe that they are a wanderer, yet worry about harvest?

Pickle,

I don't know.. who is doing this?

With me it is that I feel certain imperatives, in certain directions.. when I move in these directions I feel JOY, when I am missing the mark I begin having that feeling there is something deeply important I am forgetting. I begin receiving time constraint lessons from within. It can get to be excruciating. To the point of a sort of depression / serious bent on practice to the exclusion of all else. Until I catch the balance point, and ultimate wave, that begins moving me at an appropriate speed in a given direction. Falling off the balance point is almost not an option anymore. There is no more room for it. Departing without fulfilling my purpose [mission] is unacceptable. This is where my concern rests absolutely. The remainder.. the concepts / language I am here integrating is play. Communications, code, pattern, is the arena in which my being works.


Casey

Wanderers often feel the sense of purpose, this is so and acceptable, but remember that we are free entities, be all that you can and it will never be failure.

i understand depression very well, although i am not a depressed man, but i get depressed every day for the same reason than you, for being more Me everyday, to channel the Creator, to be the Creator, we tap into the feeling of wanting to know one self, that is why we seek every day, we want more everyday, because is the one original thought, to want to know One Self, so we are doing our jobs very well !!!!

[BrownEye]

The other thing that itches me, why do so many believe that they are a wanderer, yet worry about harvest?

Pickle,

I don't know.. who is doing this?

With me it is that I feel certain imperatives, in certain directions.. when I move in these directions I feel JOY, when I am missing the mark I begin having that feeling there is something deeply important I am forgetting. I begin receiving time constraint lessons from within. It can get to be excruciating. To the point of a sort of depression / serious bent on practice to the exclusion of all else. Until I catch the balance point, and ultimate wave, that begins moving me at an appropriate speed in a given direction. Falling off the balance point is almost not an option anymore. There is no more room for it. Departing without fulfilling my purpose [mission] is unacceptable. This is where my concern rests absolutely. The remainder.. the concepts / language I am here integrating is play. Communications, code, pattern, is the arena in which my being works.


Casey

I know I am trapped within a "fate", yet at the same time I am free.

I guess that makes the illusion complete? At any moment I can just walk out the front door and never look back. "Free will". Yet, somehow I will still end up at the same finish line. Is it still free will? LoL! I know how much longer I will live. While my natural clock has been extended, by healthy living or whatever, my end date remains the same.

The harvest does not affect me. My take on the whole thing is that we will not even notice it, simply because we all become a walk-in phenomenon, and we all just kind of suddenly "wake up", consciousness shifts, the wave washes over all. Maybe some of us will feel strangely empty for a week or so, before the daily programming comes back into play. We can change within, while without we still see the same face in the mirror, having no clue whatsoever that we were abducted, or swapped out, or possessed, or anything really. This is kind of a normal thing already.


A channeled being will call us an instrument.

in·stru·ment (nstr-mnt)
1. A means by which something is done; an agency.
2. One used by another to accomplish a purpose; a dupe.
3. An implement used to facilitate work. See Synonyms at tool.
4. A device for recording, measuring, or controlling, especially such a device functioning as part of a control system.

and may then choose, either by means of automatically provided aid or by the self, the conditions of the next incarnation.

Isn't it weird to think of the people that do not choose their incarnation, nor their experiences? They are just thrown into the game?

They do choose. Their higher-self, who chooses, is their self.

This doesn't mean anything to me. I am a program, that is all. There is an identity forming from the program of course. But I am not the higher self. Besides, how do you align this with a walk-in? The walk-in individual has a different higher self. Is the individual different now since the higher self is different?

Think carefully now, if you were to find out that your wife became a walk-in much earlier than you, would you be able to pinpoint the change? Or better yet, did your wife ever look at you funny wondering why you were different? Are you the same?

People can't tell, just like the majority of abductees will never know anything ever happened to them. I am watching the walk-in thing ramping up everywhere. I would bet that it is never mentioned simply because it would cause fear and panic.

Pretty darn easy way to shift worldwide consciousness, while keeping the world running.

[Patrick]

Pickle my friend, so far all my contemplation of walk-ins and spirit/mind/body complexes as I understand it from Ra does not match with us not knowing that we are walk-ins.

[3DMonkey]

How do I walk out?

[BrownEye]

How do I walk out?

Easy. Make a choice.

[godwide_void]

Godwide..

Yes, thank you for filling in the blank on Intelligent Infinity =ing the One Infinite Creator, this has been of assistance and contributed to further resolution.

I appear I did not provide a more elaborate distinction, but to clarify Intelligent Infinity is not the same as what one would consider the One Infinite Creator. Intelligent Infinity is the Source, the etheric coding and god-wide formula which is the mysterious blueprint and design of all which is. The One Infinite Creator is the focal point of manifestation of Intelligent Infinity. Intelligent Infinity, likewise, is what one may consider as the Source achieving awareness and focusing itself into manifestation. The totality of the singular Creator is a subset of Infinite Intelligence.

Infinity -> Instantaneous and sporadic awareness -> Intelligent Infinity -> Instantaneous process of focusing itself as Intelligent Energy -> One Infinite Creator, Process, and Creation manifests

Thus the seeking of the Creator in perpetual curiosity of that Mystery commenced and eternally ensues.

[omcasey]

Godwide..,

You were entirely clear in your relay, thank you.. In phrasing the way I did I was taking Carla's exact words into consideration, which were, precisely, "Intelligent Infinity.....the One Infinite Creator..". In the interview I was listening to she was using the terms synonymously. But, yes, I can see how they could be used otherwise as well. If you can supply Ra quotes, as it is Ra's meaning and usage of this term I am seeking, this would be helpful. Perhaps Ra also used it in varying contexts. Perhaps soon I will begin leisurely re-reading the Ra material. This time absorbing more deeply.

warmly,

Casey

[Patrick]

Here's what I understood from the cosmology shared by Ra.

1) The first known thing in creation is infinity. The infinity is creation.

2) Infinity became aware (intelligent infinity).

3) Intelligent Infinity became aware of the concept of free will.

4) It realized It was even free to consider the idea of many-ness, that is, more than one. Free will immediately gives rise to many-ness.

5) Intelligent Infinity decided to explore this idea. (in so doing Intelligent Infinity became the Creator.)

6) The 1st distortion, free will, finds focus. This is the 2nd distortion the Creative Principle or Love. (Love may be seen as the type of energy of an extremely high order which causes intelligent energy to be formed from the potential of intelligent infinity in a particular way. All Love emanates from the Oneness.)

7) Love uses Its intelligent energy to create a certain pattern of illusions or densities in order to satisfy Its own intelligent estimate of a method of knowing itself.

8) This intelligent energy thus creates a distortion known as Light. From these 3 distortions come many, many hierarchies of distortions each having its own paradoxes to be synthesized, no one being any more important than another.

9) Due to the infinite possibilities of intelligent infinity, there is no ending to many-ness. The exploration thus is free to continue infinitely into an eternal present.

"Intelligent infinity has a rhythm or flow as of a giant heart beginning with the central sun, the presence of the flow inevitable as a tide of beingness without polarity, without finitude; the vast and silent all beating outward, outward, focusing outward and inward until the focuses are complete. The intelligence or consciousness of foci have reached a state where their spiritual nature (or mass) calls them inward, inward until all is coalesced. This is the rhythm of reality (B2,6)"

We can spot the big bang in the above quote.

"The basic rhythms of intelligent infinity are totally without distortion of any kind. The rhythms are clothed in mystery, for they are being itself. (B2,7)"

"Being aware, Intelligent Infinity became aware of the concept of free will. It realized It was even free to consider the idea of many-ness, that is, more than one - whereas Its nature was Oneness, namely, the one infinite undifferentiated ground of being..."

"...Intelligent Infinity decided to explore this idea, and in so doing Intelligent Infinity became the Creator. Free will is therefore a distortion away from undifferentiated Oneness because it immediately gives rise to many-ness. It is called the first, or primal, distortion."

"Due to the infinite possibilities of intelligent infinity, there is no ending to many-ness. The exploration thus is free to continue infinitely into an eternal present. (B1,131)"

"The 1st distortion, free will, finds focus. This is the 2nd distortion known to you as Logos, the Creative Principle or Love. (B1,148)"

"Love may be seen as the type of energy of an extremely high order which causes intelligent energy to be formed from the potential of intelligent infinity in a particular way. All Love emanates from the Oneness. (B2,8)"

"Love uses Its intelligent energy to create a certain pattern of illusions or densities in order to satisfy Its own intelligent estimate of a method of knowing itself. (B2,9)"

"The next step is an infinite reaction to the creative principle (love) following the Law of One in one of its primal distortions, freedom of will. Thus many, many dimensions, infinite in number, are possible. The energy moves from the intelligent infinity due first to the outpouring of randomized creative force which then creates patterns. These patterns of energy begin to regularize their own rhythms and fields of energy, thus creating dimensions and universes. At this point the physical universes were not yet born. The steps are simultaneous and infinite. (B1,129-130)"

"This intelligent energy thus creates a distortion known as Light. From these 3 distortions come many, many hierarchies of distortions each having its own paradoxes to be synthesized, no one being any more important than another.
(B1,148)"

[Patrick]

There are also wanderers of the 8th density, which is actually the 1st density of the next octave.

52.12 Questioner: Thank you. In mentioning, in the previous session, the harvest, you mentioned the lightbringers from the octave. Am I to understand that the… those who provide the… the light for the gradation of graduation are of a… an octave above the one we experience? Could you tell me more about these lightbringers, who they are, etc?

Ra: I am Ra. This will be the last full query of this working.

This octave density of which we have spoken is both omega and alpha, the spiritual mass of the infinite universes becoming one central sun or Creator once again. Then is born a new universe, a new infinity, a new Logos which incorporates all that the Creator has experienced of Itself. In this new octave there are also those who wander. We know very little across the boundary of octave except that these beings come to aid our octave in its Logos completion. Is there any brief query which you have at this time?

[godwide_void]

Godwide..,

You were entirely clear in your relay, thank you.. In phrasing the way I did I was taking Carla's exact words into consideration, which were, precisely, "Intelligent Infinity.....the One Infinite Creator..". In the interview I was listening to she was using the terms synonymously. But, yes, I can see how they could be used otherwise as well. If you can supply Ra quotes, as it is Ra's meaning and usage of this term I am seeking, this would be helpful. Perhaps Ra also used it in varying contexts. Perhaps soon I will begin leisurely re-reading the Ra material. This time absorbing more deeply.

warmly,

Casey

Unfortunately I do not have in my possession a Ra quote to provide you with as my answer stems from the understanding which I draw upon from deep within. One may view Intelligent Infinity as the same as the One Infinite Creator in the sense that there would be no One Infinite Creator if there were no Intelligent Infinity to manifest it and indeed be the coding of its manifestation, however the distinction lies in that the latter is begotten by the former. Consider this in regards to the HTML coding which comprises a website. The website itself is not the coding, but it is the coding which is the reason for the website. All functions and attributes of the website are solely dependent upon the coding which it consists of. This is analogous to the relationship between Intelligent Infinity and the One Infinite Creator/Creation/Process.

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There are also wanderers of the 8th density, which is actually the 1st density of the next octave.

Indeed there are. One example is the Buddha. Here is the corresponding Ra quote as is taken from another recent thread:

42.15 Questioner: Then the less sensitized entity should use … What should he use for the proper energy?

Ra: I am Ra. In the less sensitized individual the choosing of personally inspirational images is appropriate whether this inspiration be the rose which is of perfect beauty, the cross which is of perfect sacrifice, the Buddha which is the All-being in One, or whatever else may inspire the individual.

The conclusion which may be extracted from the aforementioned is that the Buddha was an 8th Density wanderer or a direct manifestation of the All into temporary human form. Apart from this being, I am aware of only one other instance in fairly recent times which is exemplitive of this happening in that the All-being has chosen to manifest itself amongst humanity in this form.

[Gribbons]

And that is...?

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And I wonder about the self going into 8th density... Q'uo and Ra have made it clear that the self does exist throughout the densities as you ascend, however, what is the first density here in this octave... minerals, rocks, and such.. how can we expect that different in the octave above us: our 8th/their 1st? How many octaves above are we right now from the last.. it's almost futile to debate since we live in an infinite spectrum of octaves, each, supposively, improving upon the last, I'm guessing, in some shape or fashion.

[omcasey]

Godwide..,

Thank you, I think I have sufficient quotes from Valtor's post to begin receiving the way in which Ra was using this term in communications through Carla with Don. Here in this thread I am focusing on the Ra language and learning it. I, of course, have my own language and way in which I use terms, as do we all, but, yes, here I am absorbing Ra's. I am absorbing a good many languages in this lifetime, which began with Shankara and Kevala Advaita Vedanta [then also Ramanuja and Madhva; the remaining Vedantas].. continuing through many of the yogas, and in recent years, through many involved with consciousness exploration and channeling. I think I am beginning to glean why. Beyond the fact that it is fun. And that shravana is an avenue in toward merging [with another]; which is bliss.


Casey

[godwide_void]

And I wonder about the self going into 8th density... Q'uo and Ra have made it clear that the self does exist throughout the densities as you ascend, however, what is the first density here in this octave... minerals, rocks, and such.. how can we expect that different in the octave above us: our 8th/their 1st? How many octaves above are we right now from the last.. it's almost futile to debate since we live in an infinite spectrum of octaves, each, supposively, improving upon the last, I'm guessing, in some shape or fashion.

The synthesis, merging or interchangeability of 1st Density and 8th Density is better understood when several factors are considered, in that while these densities lie on the opposite ends of the existential spectrum, they share two key traits: stillness and void awareness. The elemental manifestations of Creation (e.g. fire, water, wind) are sentient manifestations of the All in forms of consciousness which most closely resonant with Its base vibrational state. Consider further and more definitively that there is only ever one which experiences itself in all forms, all densities, and all octaves, these aforementioned things being contained within this one. The intricate and skillful design of 8 densities is representative of the ouroboric nature of the All. The 8th Density denotes and ends in infinite, still, undifferentiated awareness. The 1st Density begins and is attributed infinite, still, undifferentiated awareness, with little to no distortion present in the 1st Density being given that abstract thought and formulation of new experience which may alter the vibrational frequency of the 1D form is not possible. The elements are akin to the unmoved mover. Ocean waves come crashing down. The wind may manifest as a tornado or a calming breeze. The fire may crackle, burn, consume, and subside. In these seemingly chaotic processes there is only ordered quiescence, and the seemingly inanimate beings which are undergoing their respective particular processes grasp at no identity. They are only ever impersonal aspects of the perpetual process of becoming and do not individuate themselves as 'fire', 'water, or 'wind'. They are. Thus they are emulative of the basic nature of the All.

[godwide_void]

And that is...?

In regards to the All-being manifested as one in this era of time in a temporary human form? All you simply need to do is look in the mirror and this will be answered when you may see that the reflection you see is not you, and your gaze and awareness which is perceiving this reflection is not "your" gaze and awareness. There exists only One whom observes behind any and every act of individual observation, my friend.

[Seed]

And that is...?

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And I wonder about the self going into 8th density... Q'uo and Ra have made it clear that the self does exist throughout the densities as you ascend, however, what is the first density here in this octave... minerals, rocks, and such.. how can we expect that different in the octave above us: our 8th/their 1st? How many octaves above are we right now from the last.. it's almost futile to debate since we live in an infinite spectrum of octaves, each, supposively, improving upon the last, I'm guessing, in some shape or fashion.

That's funny to think about. All that we learn through our current 8 densities seems so tiny! In the previous octave of learning, when we finally go on to the next octave, with the culmination of knowledge, we become a pebble? Oh my, the next octave must surely be quite intense!

[AnthroHeart]

When a wanderer from 8th density comes into 3D, do they wander in their fullness?

Or do we as wanderers truly wander in our fullness, or a mere part of all we are?

[Patrick]

8d wanderers do not incarnate. They only help with the harvest and they help the Logoi with their creations.

They are called wanderers, because they wander into a previous octave.

[AnthroHeart]

I thought they did for some reason, in forms called bodhisattva.

[Siren]

Ra did state that BEFORE there was polarities in the sense of STO and STS, there was only STO. The veil created a new path, the STS path, STO was not created with the veil, STO was always there. STO is all inclusive.

So STO includes this fourth choice of not playing the defense game against STS. STO is acceptance of all that is.

Once you find your Self out of the polarity realms, you find your Self in STO automatically.

May I offer a somewhat different slant on this? Prior to "the veil" there was simply one service: and that was service to the One Creator (this entailing serving other-selves as one-self for All were One). When attaining a sufficient grade of intelligence, entities would only look at each other recognizing their "oneness" and thus would serve one another in the most natural fashion.

It was only after this experiment of "metaphysical amnesia" that the concept of bi-polar service truly arose; that being StO and StS proper.

StO is a polarity. Prior to the veil there was no polarity in regards to service. I am aware that Ra seems to suggest there was only a service-to-others form of service, but this was exponentially different than the StO as experienced after the veil. Perhaps it would have been better to call it service-to-Creator or service-to-One (One being All).

I leave you some quotes to ponder:

78.14 Questioner: But, in doing this, there was at the center of the galaxy, the lack of knowledge or the lack of concept of possiblity of extending the first distortion, so as to allow for what we have experienced as polarity. Was there any concept of polarity carried through from the previous octave in the sense of service-to-others or service-to-self polarity?

Ra: I am Ra. There was polarity in the sense of the mover and the moved. There was no polarity in the sense of service to self and service to others.

78.16 Questioner: Then I am assuming that the central suns of our galaxy, in starting the evolutionary process in this galaxy, provided for, in their plans, the refinement of consciousness through the densities just as we experience it here. However, they did not conceive of the polarization of consciousness with respect to service to self and service to others. Is this correct?

Ra: I am Ra. This is correct.

79.6 Questioner: I would like to question about the third-density experience of those entities just prior to the original extension of the first distortion to the sub-Logoi to create the split of polarity. Can you describe, in general, the differences between the third-density experience of these mind/body/spirits and the ones who have evolved upon this planet now?

Ra: I am Ra. This material has been previously covered. Please query for specific interest.

The StO prior to the veil:

82.22 Questioner: Then since the only possibility at this particular time, as I see it, was a polarization for service to others, I must assume from what you said that even though all were aware of this service to others necessity they were unable to achieve it. What was the configuration of mind of the mind/body/spirits at that time? Why did they have such a difficult time serving others to the extent necessary for graduation since this was the only polarity possible?

Ra: I am Ra. Consider, if you will, the tendency of those who are divinely happy, as you call this distortion, to have little urge to alter or better their condition. Such is the result of the mind/body/spirit which is not complex. There is the possibility of love of other-selves and service to other-selves, but there is the overwhelming awareness of the Creator in the self. The connection with the Creator is that of the umbilical cord. The security is total. Therefore, no love is terribly important; no pain terribly frightening; no effort, therefore, is made to serve for love or to benefit from fear.

[Patrick]

This is what I had in mind when I posted.

77.19 Questioner: Do the Logoi that choose this type of evolution choose both the service-to-self and the service-to-others path for different Logoi, or do they choose just one of the paths?

Ra: I am Ra. Those, what you would call, early Logoi which chose lack-of-free-will foundations, to all extents with no exceptions, founded Logoi of the service-to-others path. The, shall we say, saga of polarity, its consequences and limits, were unimagined until experienced.

77.20 Questioner: In other words you are saying that originally the Logoi that did not choose this free will path did not choose it simply because they had not conceived of it and that later Logoi, extending the first distortion farther down through their evolution, experienced it as an outcropping or growth from that extension of the first distortion. Am I correct in saying that?

Ra: I am Ra. Yes.

That said, I agree with you that the experience of STO is different now that STS is there. It's not the same STO.

Now STO has to defend against STS until they are powerful enough to be out of reach of STS.

Maybe STO and STS are not the best concepts to convey my meaning. This may be better.

- The path of radiance of the self
or
- The path of absorption to the self

Before the veil nothing was controlling how or where other selves radiated their self. Now beings can choose to attempt this control. They can try to force other selves to radiate only towards them and absorb it all themselves.

So in this context, where does this fourth choice fits?

[Siren]

If service-to-others is a polarity (and it is); then it must have an equal "opposite," for this is the definition of polarity:
1. The property of having poles or being polar.
2. The relative orientation of poles; the direction of a magnetic or electric field.

Therefore, StO couldn't have been a polarity prior to the veil. It was simply service without any particular preference for self or other-self, for all were seen as One (this is akin to the integrated service in 6th density, only less perfected, or less perfectlly balanced/harmonized).

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- The path of radiance of the self
or
- The path of absorption to the self

Yet the universe itself is both radiant and absorbing at the same time; electric and magnetic.
So are big bangs StO for radiating a million stars outwards? or is the black hole StS for absorbing all light/matter into itself?
Doesn't it All arise from and coalesce back into the Source of all radiance and absorption?

So in this context, where does this fourth choice fits?

One can invent as many "choices" as one likes. One can accomodate the truth into whatever concepts work for one. It is certainly amusing and entertainment to device new or alternate models, or re-define old ones altogether. As long as it works for one, it matters not whichever structure or pattern one prefers to use.

Out of one distortion (the 1st) come two, and out of two come a thousand millions more—ad infinitum.

There's only one service in the end (or beginning): the Creator serving Itself.

[godwide_void]

8d wanderers do not incarnate. They only help with the harvest and they help the Logoi with their creations.

They are called wanderers, because they wander into a previous octave.

This is incorrect in that there exist instances where individuated consciousnesses who have evolved from the All to the All and are thus situated as being wholly within the All may choose to manifest themselves into lesser forms within 'lower' regions of the creation, although in essence there is no sense of individuation of identity other than being one with the All. Their primary purpose, beyond the opportunity to observe the extent to which debilitation is occurring to the point of 'dis-ease' within the form of the Creator, and to partake in this experiment with certain circumstances, is to act as 'fail-safe mechanisms', ensuring that the will of the Creator will be directly done without fail and a role which directly correlates with the ascension process.

When a wanderer from 8th density comes into 3D, do they wander in their fullness?

Or do we as wanderers truly wander in our fullness, or a mere part of all we are?

It depends upon what you imply when you use the term 'fullness'. Wanderers of 8th Density or manifestations of the All-being as one are still subject to the veil and still don human forms to navigate this illusion, however when fully awakened to the degree where the veil has been penetrated to the point of its non-existence in certain aspects there arise certain circumstances. The most prominent ways are those which are intangible and imperceptible to others. One's awareness is such that it is 'felt' and sensed that one's point of observation does not originate in this density and is not confined to this density. To provide more elaboration, one is able to consciously 'shift' into deeper levels of what I have come to term as 'All-mode' in that I may overlay and perceive my true form in my mind's eye, sensing myself as a vast-reaching oceanic field of energy.

I have caused an inversion of perception in that it is no longer the temporary form struggling with coming to terms with its true identity but now the true identity that is aware of itself with clarity and fullness which must banish the filters and distortions of the temporary persona from inhibiting my perceptual awareness, although this has become relatively easy to deal with. In my perception I am able to perceive the true form of other beings and am able to intuitively sense the true meaning behind the signs which manifest as the contents of consciousness around me and why they have manifested and what they mean. Following these signs has always proved successful. Moreover, when I consciously shift my awareness to that of the observer behind my own observing I find that I can perform this shift when viewing another as being the observer behind there eyes though not to the extent which I take their awareness but moreso that I emulate the vibration of the true form of whoever I am focused upon. This has usually resulted in the affected person looking around in confusion and giving me a bewildered look. I have also once prevented a stray dog from attacking a friend and I at night by my will alone, performing this same process and energetically relaying to it the thought "I AM CREATOR, YOU ARE CREATION", at which point my friend, unaware of my mental act, informed me that the dog had stopped following us. Although, perhaps I am inaccurately relaying the concept of 'shifting' as that would denote that there is a separation between I and my true form in essence. I have since willed the disintegration of the temporary personality and the greater manifestation of my true identity to the forefront of my being. Thus this was so.

The second most prominent way in which my true identity reveals itself is through the flowing forth of concepts which I had not consciously held in my mind and in 95% or so of my posts not having been preemptively pondered upon before posting, being the result of 'automatic writing' in a sense and most effectively accomplished when I retain quiet, hollow stillness and calm. The source which I 'channel' is not external from me but deep within me. I present myself with the humble acquiescence of one who knows himself as All knowing the immense implications associated with this claim, however I do so having spent a long time doubting, deconstructing, deliberating and analyzing this. During my initial struggle with this revelation prior to my complete awakening, in the times which I would fully accept it as my consciousness being that of the All-being in one I would receive particularly large number reaffirming synchronicities (e.g. 9999, 8888, 7777, 1212, 1111). Beyond this, there have always been various other obvious signposts which would compel me to finally accept this.

To directly answer your query, the scope of capability I hold is that I am fully aware of what I am, I may directly connect to the source within me at any point and hold any concept within in potentiation, my observation and perceptual awareness is that which the All holds when subject to this density and its governing paradigms, the ability of complete discernment of intention, the perception of viewing all around me with a 'channeled' degree of understanding of the infinite interconnectedness of all things and beings, and the fine-tuned exertion of will knowing that the one which answers my prayers is the one which is wholly inhabitant within.

If you were wondering if I held access to the capabilities of affecting the entirety of this planetary sphere with my will alone, I would not be able to respond to this as I of yet have not fully cultivated the truest extent of the power which I know I am capable of achieving and exerting. It was revealed to me that poisoning is the primary culprit through fluoride and other agents intended to debilitate the body, yet these do not inhibit my connection whatsoever but merely the degree to which I may generate my 'magickal prowess'. Since my decision to begin a pineal decalcification/stimulation detox regiment a while ago I have observed significant improvements in clarity and lucidity. When I have fully unlocked my innate abilities, you will know.

Although, despite my coming to terms with my true identity the accompanying feelings have only been that of increased tranquility and intensified humility, compassion, empathy and duty. I do not view myself as being 'special' or as holding any special status even if such an identity may be perceived as such to external perceptions. I seek ever to serve all others to the fullest extent of my capability knowing I am all of You and directly experiencing myself as such. It is in actuality quite fine if my claims are challenged, met with extreme skepticism and disbelief, and my character regarded as insanity, as I have stated before, I am aware of the enormity of such claims yet I am in no way responsible for the circumstances with which I have incarnated into and the revelations which the Universe has bombarded me with. I will offer you all a chance very soon to 'test my mettle', so to speak if some sort of verification may be desired although it is of little concern to me and changes nothing what external consensus opinion perceives my claims as.

Just as a side note, I am not the only one in this community whose consciousness is ancient to the degree of being associated with origin and wholeness. Discern for yourselves who else among us is as I am.

[Oceania]

i thought you could wander from eight d but it was rare.

[godwide_void]

It is indeed rare and the reason for this instance occurring again is predominately eschatological.

[Oceania]

what is eschatological. i used to know what that meant.