Q'uo: The harvest began in 1987

[zenmaster]

Not according to the material. They also need to be here for their own evolution.

I understand why they are here. The context I intended was discussing whether or not the catalyst is needed... to graduate to 4D.

I see.

Also, are you overlooking that there were still Logoi graduating from this octave before the negative path even existed? No, this level of intense negativity is not at all necessary, and Ra explicitly says as much in Session One.

Why is that relevant? Without the veil, their is no opportunity for misunderstanding so it's kind of moot. If all is seen as one, there is no concept of positivity either. Positivity is not at all necessary.

Almost all wanderers are pre-higher-self actualization.

Please explain what you mean by this.

Work in 6D involves balancing at least until that completed higher-self as attained (actualized, time/space = space/time). "the Higher Self is moving to the mind/body/spirit complex as needed from a position in development of the entity which would be considered in the future of this entity."

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P.S. zenmaster, Just to satisfy my previously stated suspicion on Earthlings, would you say you are ever wrong on anything?

Yes, everything I say is wrong, if you need it to be. Do you somehow find a need for what I say to be either right or wrong, as if what has been subject to your discernment somehow forms the basis for ultimate reality? Does that satisfy your suspicion? The right and wrong phase will completely pass eventually, when more effective ways of perceiving are discovered.

Because you are pointing out the importance of being 'wrong' (in contrast to your distorted perception that I need to be right), it does seem that you still subscribe to (and are quite bound to) the 'right' vs 'wrong' dichotomy. From such a position, such a projection will always be in the form of a strawman. Then we get to use another person to further reinforce our own notion of the impropriety of right and wrong positioning (unless and until we can completely accept it, that is). That also, is funny.

Immediately following what we think is a transcendence of a particular meme, we tend to be hyper-sensitive to, drawn to the rejection of what is perceived to be the now obsolete way. That's because we have not yet balanced the incipient meme that would replace it. To me that's also humorous. But it's just natural and easy to forgive. Eventually there will be less grasping around with apprehensions, less projection, and more acceptance.

Is there any example that you could point to where your personal opinion/belief/view is not correct?

Sorry to let you down, but I don't put too much faith in or stock in the concepts of correct or incorrect as if my evaluations were like a math equation. It doesn't 'do' anything, in itself, to 'be right', as if that was even possible. You may want to take a look at the INTJ personality type.

[Tenet Nosce]

Why is that relevant? Without the veil, their is no opportunity for misunderstanding so it's kind of moot. If all is seen as one, there is no concept of positivity either. Positivity is not at all necessary.

Well, that is true. I suppose my resistance to negativity can only result in more negativity... in myself and others.

Work in 6D involves balancing at least until that completed higher-self as attained (actualized, time/space = space/time). "the Higher Self is moving to the mind/body/spirit complex as needed from a position in development of the entity which would be considered in the future of this entity."

OK. I thought that might have been what you referring to, but I wasn't sure.

[Tyler Durden Maybe]

zenmaster,

Zen, don't you ever get tired of being Right? Haha! (get the joke? it's layered) I appreciate your responses and they have provided insight on your thoughts and your interpretation of what my question was. To me, you are THE online alter-ego of Alan Watts, that is very enjoyable. Is that you Alan? I sure can't tell the difference.

Q. "Do you somehow find a need for what I say to be either right or wrong" & @ "Ultimate Reality" - zen

A. No, In fact, regarding my initial question of "Q. Have you ever been wrong and if so whats an example?" I never expected a straight forward or direct answer, such as Yes/No, "Yes + Example" or "No" answer, and that's what I got. The only instance of "Yes" or "No" in your entire text reply was was a "Conditional" "Yes" but only as it applies to me, or as you said "if you need it to be", and did not answer my question in any direct way, Q. have you ever been wrong and if so whats an example, it was a nice dodge, eloquently tangential. Or am I reading that wrong? I honestly cannot determine from the text you provided if you have ever been wrong as you do not provide a yes or no answer, I guess you're answer is there is no such thing as wrong so then you have never been wrong? I am reading your text correctly?

I would love, LOVE, to actually get to the point where you say you are, where to you there is absolutely no right or wrong about anything, then I would steal so many candy bars from the 7/11. But I'm not there yet, I still think that is wrong. (I can't imagine being able to do certain things like Stealing or Killing WithOut thinking they are Wrong, what is it actually like to be at a place like that? What's it like to know, for a fact, you could actually kill someone and not think it was wrong? That seems so far beyond what I could attain, in this life anyway. And I find that fascinating about you, how you are able to get to a place like that and actually feel that way.)

I just wanted to hear your answer as it may be, as hopefully will be explained below and why my "suspicion" on opinions/views/beliefs is not referring to what I think you think it is referring to regarding context and intent. All I NEED is food/water/shelter/air, everything else is a WANT, haha! (every time some one says "Need" I can't help but say that)

Of course we know Ra states there is no right or wrong, and especially there is no right or wrong in terms of opinions/beliefs/views on Philosophy/Meta-Physics, as I think everyone is right because it is Subjective, but I do think there are Objective opinions/beliefs/views which can be very much wrong, as it applies in a certain context.

Did you assume I meant ONLY Non-3D opinions/views/beliefs? I'm sorry if it came across that way, I was being all inclusive, 3D and non-3D, I apologize for not making that context more clear. I really only expected 3D related answers, but it was wide open.

So, that is what I am asking, have you ever been wrong in your opinions/views/beliefs relating 3D Physical events? Boy, we could NEVER prove one way or the other about being right or wrong on opinions/views/beliefs when asking about the Non-3D World, that would be impossible, and in that case I would completely agree with everything you said, as it relates to your answer.

Example: So I'm not saying that killing someone by shooting them with a bullet is Right or Wrong, that is not the context, the Question relates to this: Did I shoot someone with a bullet and did that bullet hit a person in the 3D physical world. There is a Correct/Right answer, which is YES, and there is a Incorrect/Wrong answer which is NO. Does this illuminate my intent of the question, in context?

So, you have no examples of say, where you thought Electrons didn't pop in and out of space/time but remained "Constantly Existent" as a kid as you were taught in school, but then you learned later in life they did actually pop in and out, thus you were once wrong? This would be an example that fits my question. Or you believed in Santa Clause and then he turned out to be your Parents?

And if the truth in your case was, Yes I was wrong about Santa Clause, why not say "Yes, and the example is Santa Clause" So maybe now you'll see why I get more information by HOW you give your answer, instead of an obvious answer, like "Yes, I was wrong about Santa"

So of all the numerous examples we all have where we learned one thing, and it turned out to be wrong or incorrect, most people will never say "Yes, and here's this obvious and common example, like Santa" instead they will go on tangentially like "it does seem that you still subscribe to (and are quite bound to) the 'right' vs 'wrong' dichotomy" and "Do you somehow find a need for what I say to be either right or wrong"

To me, Those are the answers that speak volumes (and that is the REAL Answer I was looking for, not some boring yes/no with some boring example)

I would have been so so let down if you just had said, "Yes, I was wrong about Electrons and Santa" Haha! Thank you for going along with my little game, all be it unbenounced as it may have been. It was slightly different than my guess, my guess was to think "What would Alan Watts say and that is what zen will say", but maybe other than the personality type which I'm not sure he would mention, it was bang on.

A #2. Let me further clarify or provide an updated angle, so that a possibility of an Answer, in the form I was asking may be presented by you, if you wish. I am speaking in 3D Terms, what are your opinions/views/beliefs on actual physical events as they exist in 3D as represented by Material / Matter interacting, not related anything Meta-Physical or Non-3D. So I am not talking about what you call Ultimate Reality, just our 3D reality we call the Universe, Earth & how Atoms & Energy Interact. Of course Ra states there is no right and wrong, and I see that is what you are basing your answers upon. Although this may seem odd, I specifically asked that question only because of what I have read before on your opinions/views/beliefs of the events of 9/11/2001, (that you believe the official government story/explanation and Not the Inside Job explanation) and was interested in what the answer to that question would be for someone with those opinions/views/beliefs as to whether they have an example of being wrong ever, if the answer is NO not ever, then to me, that would shine some light on why you have those views, contrary to so many. That is also why I used 9/11 as my example in the previous posting. I want to understand the thinking of people like that.

Going back to the reason for the question, this specific example: The events of 9/11/2001. For example, (i.e.) You believe the official government story and I don't believe the official government story but the Inside Job explanation. One of us is right, objectively and one is wrong, it can't be both. Or do you think it can be both because there is absolutely never a right and wrong detail of events, even as it applies to two separate and unique explanations describing one instance of interaction(s) between matter, such as the physical events of 9/11?

Or does Right and Wrong not apply to physical events in 3D to such a degree that even though I know and Believe the sky is blue if I said the Sky is Orange & Black Polka Dot, is that not Wrong? To me saying the Sky is Orange & Black Polka Dot IS Actually Wrong/Incorrect, in 3D terms. And that is my point I'm trying to make.

I hope this clarifies my position and initial question. You don't have to reply if doing so wouldn't be fun for you, I just wanted you to understand where I was coming from. Thanks.

Zen - I never took a personality test to see if i am "INTJ ", how do you find that out? Wikipedia says "INTJs are one of the rarest of the sixteen personality types, and account for about 1–4% of the population" I could see myself being that just on that fact alone! I am a rare one, and definitely not in the main. Can you send me a link you think is valid & a good source to take that test? Thanks. (I'll try to find one, this seems interesting now, I'll let you know what the results are)

UPDATE @ 8pm: Darn, I got INTP in the four online tests I took, so close! (I'm still in the 1-3% of the population though, Sweet! I knew I was not mainstream) (The Wikipedia description does fit me like a glove, man I'm impressed, way more accurate than I would have guessed. Right up there with Einstein and Jefferson!)

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Zenmaster, if you were asking me questions in your text, as the question marks would indicate I'd be happy to oblige in direct Yes or No answers:

Q. Do you somehow find a need for what I say to be either right or wrong, as if what has been subject to your discernment somehow forms the basis for ultimate reality?

A. NO. No Need, only Want (as in not needed but more fun, therefore: I Want to view you as wrong and right because that's more fun to me) and YES, all input using my discernment (perception) does in fact constitute MY Ultimate Reality Yes, what else would be in it or make it up? Is MY Ultimate Reality = All of Creation, NO. As I assume you mean All of Creation when you use the term "ultimate reality" (ex. what I don't know about is not part of my ultimate reality, but is part of All of Creation. Does that help you?)

Q. Does that satisfy your suspicion?
A. YES, you never gave a Yes or No answer. Therefore the Negative was Implicitly Inferred, or NO was your answer. My suspicion was Confirmed, YES.
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Zen, You seem so bent out of shape by my question(s) buddy, No Worries! It did not seem like you were having fun when you were typing your answers, have fun buddy!
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I'll stop hijacking the topic of this thread and return it to it's regularly scheduled program.

[Namaste]

Just for the record, I love Alan Watts. Out of Your Mind is a fantastic audio "book" set (recorded talk")

[zenmaster]

Not sure what to say Tyler. You want me to be direct, yet you are clearly being coy. You say you are not talking about 'Ultimate Reality' (i.e. right vs wrong), yet your whole premise was amusement at my posts in the epitome of 'Ultimate Reality', the infinite context of 'All is One'. You claim a lot of premises which I disagree with, expecting answers to which there are no viable questions (from my point of view), which I guess serve as your 'strawmen'. For example, that say that I 'believe the official government story/explanation' regarding 9/11. It is tedious to pick through your lengthy posts to find exactly what you want to hear. Maybe someone could help out and restate what is wanted in less loaded, more direct manner.

[Tyler Durden Maybe]

zenmaster,

Question: Yes or No, have you ever been wrong about any opinion/view/belief? (Example answer: Yes, I was wrong about Santa Clause, it was actually my Parents) (Example answer: No)

Answer only if you would like, no expectations here.
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More info on me, so the possibility can exist in the future we can have more understanding and fun when interacting, (if you want), I will leave that up to you from this point:

I was at a boring Christmas Party and was using my laptop & posting that last long reply as an excuse to listen to music and avoid idle chit chat with fellow party goers for an hour, till more fun people showed up, I really didn't expect you to read it let alone respond to it. I'm suprised you did. I only wrote it for my own enjoyment. I like rambling on.

I love being Coy zen, it's so much fun! Way more fun then not being Coy. I would hope we don't agree on every premise, that would be boring and would be disconcerting to me in the extreme. I'm glad we disagree on so much. I never expected a viable answer (in my view) from you based on your previous answer(s), therefore I couldn't really forumluate questions that would be interpretted as viable by you, I wish I could. Boy, I have so many strawmen I could feed a whole farm's worth of animals for years, years I say! My favorite strawman is from the Wizard of Oz.

It still doesn't sound like you're having fun buddy in your replies & interactions with me, so I'll make changes to ensure that changes. I also think this site has a ignore user function, feel free to use this function if that would enable a more fun experience for you. No worries!
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Last Off Topic Post in this Thread, my apologies.

[zenmaster]

Question: Yes or No, have you ever been wrong about any opinion/view/belief? (Example answer: Yes, I was wrong about Santa Clause, it was actually my Parents) (Example answer: No)

Yes, and in various ways of 'wrongness', such as 'mistaken identity', but as far as I can tell not generally in the santa claus (wanting to believe, because I liked it) sense. Mainly in the sense of not understanding a role something can play or the relevance of something, due to limited experience, and at some point ignoring, mischaracterizing or dismissing it.

It is possible to know that one doesn't 'know' something (when that area is called to task, or comes to bear on a matter), and so one's operating premises, do not have to overextend current worldview. It only requires enough acceptance to utilize honesty. Once that honesty is made primary to awareness, the matter of 'right' and 'wrong' becomes somewhat of an obsolete paradigm. This is because with each and every opportunity in which an evaluation is called for, there is nothing used which is not actually 'owned'.

[Tenet Nosce]

This is from the latest Matthew's Message, which bears some relevance to some things previously discussed in this thread. I thought I would throw this out here for discussion. As always, my linking and quoting from this particular source is not a blanket endorsement of everything they say.

8. It is Earth’s destiny to leave third density when a universal cycle opens an astral window at the end of this year, and by then no one with a dark mind and heart will be left on the planet. That may seem unduly harsh, as if some arbitrary judgment process simply will eliminate them, and that is not so. There are persons who have amassed fortunes dishonestly, achieved power ruthlessly, and consistently have refused the light constantly available to them, and both their souls and their bodies will “pay the price,” you could say.

9. It is the light within a body that transforms its carbon-based cellular structure into the crystalline form that enables the body to live in the high vibrations of energy planes beyond third density. In antiquity, strong civilizations with darkness at the core deliberately altered the DNA of weaker civilizations to reduce its people’s capacity for intelligence and spiritual awareness. That affected their bodies as well—crystalline cells degraded into the carbon structure that can be, and was, programmed with vulnerability to all forms of illness and a much shorter life span than in eras long, long ago in your concept of time.

10. The infusion of light that enabled Earth to survive death throes some seventy years ago is restoring the “stolen” DNA in light-receptive individuals, and not everyone is. A body without any light except the spark that is its life force cannot live in the vibrations prevailing on Earth—it will die from any one of the reasons that death has long come to Earth’s residents, and some influential individuals you see in TV film clips are clones of the persons who have died. Bodies with a small degree of light beyond the spark can last a bit longer, but they too will give out as vibrations become increasingly more powerful the closer Earth approaches fourth density’s doorstep.

17. With that, we return to the assurance that all darkness on the planet will be gone a year from now: The people who still are on Earth then will be light-filled, unified in peace and mutual respect, and life will be in harmony with Nature.

[AnthroHeart]

Good post there Tenet. I follow the Matthew teachings as well.
I like to think that I am a fairly light-filled individual. Even so, the incoming 4D vibrations are
somewhat hard on my body and mind. But I am a sensitive individual.
Someone who's not energy sensitive might not even notice changes in the 4D light.

I wonder how overwhelming the sensations will get when even non-sensitive people begin to feel the 4D energies.

[Peregrinus]

I found this interesting.



Princess Kaoru Nakamaru of Japan talks about three days/nights of darkness in December 2012. This is in alignment with many ancient prophesies.

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I wonder how overwhelming the sensations will get when even non-sensitive people begin to feel the 4D energies.

Look around at the craziness many people are experiencing. None are oblivious to the change, but they don't know what is happening.

[AnthroHeart]

Makes sense Pere. Many have had the chance to seek out spirituality and the information has always been there to know what is happening. But few it seems seek it out. Though haven't people always been crazy?

I've also heard it said that there are 36 hours of darkness rather than 3 days.

[zenmaster]

None are oblivious to the change

What change?

[Tenet Nosce]

None are oblivious to the change

What change?

Don't you mean, which change?

[Avocado]

I might be unaware of energy changes, however I have seen an increase in psychic and synchronized phenomena. I currently have no way of telling if it's just my spirit doing it's thing, mother earth's, both, or some other variables in any combo. I may intuit it from within perhaps.

In any case it's lovely

[Peregrinus]

None are oblivious to the change

What change?

I once had a brother in arms in the military. He loved to argue for the sake of argument itself, and would argue even that he wasn't arguing. I have often seen the same behaviour from you, however, just in case your desire was to be honest in your response, and was not just an attempt to troll... in your case, dear brother, "Ignorance may be bliss", though such is the reality you choose to manifest. Have a wonderful day

[Parsons]

Wow Peregrinus, thats a very interesting video thank you. I wonder if they will take this lady seriously or not if she comes forward like she is implying she intends to do since shes supposedly a princess of Japan.

[zenmaster]

None are oblivious to the change

What change?

I once had a brother in arms in the military. He loved to argue for the sake of argument itself, and would argue even that he wasn't arguing. I have often seen the same behaviour from you, however, just in case your desire was to be honest in your response, and was not just an attempt to troll... in your case, dear brother, "Ignorance may be bliss", though such is the reality you choose to manifest. Have a wonderful day

Kind of funny that you would point out the obvious then.

[SomaticDreams]

I found this interesting.



Princess Kaoru Nakamaru of Japan talks about three days/nights of darkness in December 2012. This is in alignment with many ancient prophesies.

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The link is dead to the video:

I believe this is the original video you posted.


Here is another 3 part video of her perspective, a bit more detailed than the first, if it interests you.

[Peregrinus]

Thank you

[hogey11]

None are oblivious to the change

What change?

I once had a brother in arms in the military. He loved to argue for the sake of argument itself, and would argue even that he wasn't arguing. I have often seen the same behaviour from you, however, just in case your desire was to be honest in your response, and was not just an attempt to troll... in your case, dear brother, "Ignorance may be bliss", though such is the reality you choose to manifest. Have a wonderful day

Kind of funny that you would point out the obvious then.

Just because you are not a part of it does not mean it doesn't exist, zenmaster...

I have no doubt you have probably felt no shift in energy or reality. That is clear from your comments. I believe you. That being said, the opposite can be said for myself. My reality is different - including my interactions with others. You may not see it, but I agree with Peregrinus: it is there and it is affecting everyone, whether they have knowledge of it or not. I wish you could experience it.

[AnthroHeart]

Hogey, regarding changes, do you generally feel an uneasy feeling, or love mostly?

For me it goes back and forth. Some days I'll have general anxiety. I'm probably picking up on other's energies.

A week or so ago it was actually stronger than it is right now. But I never know, the next moment could be more profound.

Since I started calling on angels recently, I've felt much better. Almost an excitement for living. Things in the future that would normally unsettle me have no hold like they once did. I realize I will get to what I need to, when I need to. No sense in worrying about future events.

I'd love to hear if you're feeling a powerful love vibration. Shouldn't 4D feel loving? Or is it natural to pick up on others anxieties at this time?

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I have no doubt you have probably felt no shift in energy or reality. That is clear from your comments. I believe you. That being said, the opposite can be said for myself. My reality is different - including my interactions with others. You may not see it, but I agree with Peregrinus: it is there and it is affecting everyone, whether they have knowledge of it or not. I wish you could experience it.

[hogey11]

It depends on my thought patterns. I am not impervious to the "3d energies" but I feel I am now shielded against them in some way.

I find it is now hard for me to dwell on anxiousness and worry; even if I do it tends to fly out of my head in no time and i'm back in the present, realizing things are not that bad and in fact looking up (somehow)...

I find myself singing to myself nearly every day while out and about. Since I was a kid, this has always been a sign I am happy or content at a very deep level.

I felt this shift really kick in around November 11th of 2011. I see greater beauty in things I didn't appreciate before (especially nature), my relationships feel 'new' in some weird way, all sorts of little things. That's the aspect that has surprised me the most; just how subtle the changes have been. The first month and a bit was full of me writing off a lot of this to coincidence, but it has persisted now longer than 2 months and doesn't seem to be stopping. Spiritually, I feel invincible right now. It's nice! (/borat voice)

[Peregrinus]

For me it goes back and forth. Some days I'll have general anxiety. I'm probably picking up on other's energies.

I'd love to hear if you're feeling a powerful love vibration. Shouldn't 4D feel loving? Or is it natural to pick up on others anxieties at this time?

Just as Mother Earth is dealing with negative energy release, seen as the manifestation of violent weather conditions, so does each harvestable person now find the self dealing with extremes of negative energy release, karmic energies from the current or other incarnate experience(s). These must be cleared prior to the harvest, coming into conscious awareness to be dealt with, and as dealt with, one will become more steady in their increased levels of consciousness. Angel, spirits, guides are all available at this time to help one complete this process if they so desire it, more help than has ever been available during this cycle. Those that refuse help and have chosen not to become harvestable find fourth density light to be uncomfortable, and go through cyclical stages of awakening, seeking, and then retreating into fear based comfort.

[Sagittarius]

For me it goes back and forth. Some days I'll have general anxiety. I'm probably picking up on other's energies.

I'd love to hear if you're feeling a powerful love vibration. Shouldn't 4D feel loving? Or is it natural to pick up on others anxieties at this time?

Just as Mother Earth is dealing with negative energy release, seen as the manifestation of violent weather conditions, so does each harvestable person now find the self dealing with extremes of negative energy release, karmic energies from the current or other incarnate experience(s). These must be cleared prior to the harvest, coming into conscious awareness to be dealt with, and as dealt with, one will become more steady in their increased levels of consciousness. Angel, spirits, guides are all available at this time to help one complete this process if they so desire it, more help than has ever been available during this cycle. Those that refuse help and have chosen not to become harvestable find fourth density light to be uncomfortable, and go through cyclical stages of awakening, seeking, and then retreating into fear based comfort.

Yep I experienced a large clearing throughout last year. I experienced extreme lows and highs which seam to have balanced out at the moment. I can feel and see the new energies, make no mistake they are here and are increasing rapidly.

I can make my whole body vibrate with this energy with little to no concentration or effort. While before I had to focus my eyes to see energy now I can see it faintly without any focusing at all.

I feel like everything is coming together now and it won't be long until a large number of other selves start reflecting this change. I have already noticed the change in a lot of people.

I can't wait until the group complex starts kicking in consciously, a lot of people need to see what I see. I also need to see what a lot of other people see.

[Namaste]

I can't wait until the group complex starts kicking in consciously, a lot of people need to see what I see. I also need to see what a lot of other people see.

Do you expect this within the current incarnation?

[Oldern]

For me it goes back and forth. Some days I'll have general anxiety. I'm probably picking up on other's energies.

I'd love to hear if you're feeling a powerful love vibration. Shouldn't 4D feel loving? Or is it natural to pick up on others anxieties at this time?

Just as Mother Earth is dealing with negative energy release, seen as the manifestation of violent weather conditions, so does each harvestable person now find the self dealing with extremes of negative energy release, karmic energies from the current or other incarnate experience(s). These must be cleared prior to the harvest, coming into conscious awareness to be dealt with, and as dealt with, one will become more steady in their increased levels of consciousness. Angel, spirits, guides are all available at this time to help one complete this process if they so desire it, more help than has ever been available during this cycle. Those that refuse help and have chosen not to become harvestable find fourth density light to be uncomfortable, and go through cyclical stages of awakening, seeking, and then retreating into fear based comfort.

Yep I experienced a large clearing throughout last year. I experienced extreme lows and highs which seam to have balanced out at the moment. I can feel and see the new energies, make no mistake they are here and are increasing rapidly.

I can make my whole body vibrate with this energy with little to no concentration or effort. While before I had to focus my eyes to see energy now I can see it faintly without any focusing at all.

I feel like everything is coming together now and it won't be long until a large number of other selves start reflecting this change. I have already noticed the change in a lot of people.

I can't wait until the group complex starts kicking in consciously, a lot of people need to see what I see. I also need to see what a lot of other people see.

I cant see anything with my eyes, but I can feel this energy alright. First, it appeared to me (this feeling of energy rushing through my chakras, all the way up) at the end of a chakra meditation in december 21., 2011. Ever since then, it has been coming to me faster, easier, and sometimes I am just doing a quick relaxation while in the middle of the day, and the sensation comes back.

Now I need to learn to direct it and emit it to everyone else around me.

[SomaticDreams]

I cant see anything with my eyes, but I can feel this energy alright. First, it appeared to me (this feeling of energy rushing through my chakras, all the way up) at the end of a chakra meditation in december 21., 2011. Ever since then, it has been coming to me faster, easier, and sometimes I am just doing a quick relaxation while in the middle of the day, and the sensation comes back.

Now I need to learn to direct it and emit it to everyone else around me.

The influx of 4D energies are of unconditional love. A tonglen meditation would be most beneficial- or any mediation that focuses on radiating unconditional love. Start with your 'self' first, by showing your self unconditional love for all your faults, and abilities. Through the self, then, one may radiate such love for self and love for all others, through the realization of oneness, or unity of all things.

If you are interested in trying tonglen, try this short guided meditation. Feel free to search for other types of meditation if you are move comfortable with a certain tradition/style.

[Sagittarius]

I can't wait until the group complex starts kicking in consciously, a lot of people need to see what I see. I also need to see what a lot of other people see.

Do you expect this within the current incarnation?

I don't know, ask me next year and I may have an answer. I really do hope so. I feel like it will happen in this incarnation, whether that be an instant change of consciousness or a gradual one. I don't think anything catastrophic will happen to the majority of people, I think the majority of 3d'ers repeating are already out of this incarnation. Most children born in the last 20 years imo are the indigo children with dual activated bodies to help the transition process. With the remainder of the population being wanderers or 3d'ers who are ready to graduate on 21/12/12.

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For me it goes back and forth. Some days I'll have general anxiety. I'm probably picking up on other's energies.

I'd love to hear if you're feeling a powerful love vibration. Shouldn't 4D feel loving? Or is it natural to pick up on others anxieties at this time?

Just as Mother Earth is dealing with negative energy release, seen as the manifestation of violent weather conditions, so does each harvestable person now find the self dealing with extremes of negative energy release, karmic energies from the current or other incarnate experience(s). These must be cleared prior to the harvest, coming into conscious awareness to be dealt with, and as dealt with, one will become more steady in their increased levels of consciousness. Angel, spirits, guides are all available at this time to help one complete this process if they so desire it, more help than has ever been available during this cycle. Those that refuse help and have chosen not to become harvestable find fourth density light to be uncomfortable, and go through cyclical stages of awakening, seeking, and then retreating into fear based comfort.

Yep I experienced a large clearing throughout last year. I experienced extreme lows and highs which seam to have balanced out at the moment. I can feel and see the new energies, make no mistake they are here and are increasing rapidly.

I can make my whole body vibrate with this energy with little to no concentration or effort. While before I had to focus my eyes to see energy now I can see it faintly without any focusing at all.

I feel like everything is coming together now and it won't be long until a large number of other selves start reflecting this change. I have already noticed the change in a lot of people.

I can't wait until the group complex starts kicking in consciously, a lot of people need to see what I see. I also need to see what a lot of other people see.

I cant see anything with my eyes, but I can feel this energy alright. First, it appeared to me (this feeling of energy rushing through my chakras, all the way up) at the end of a chakra meditation in december 21., 2011. Ever since then, it has been coming to me faster, easier, and sometimes I am just doing a quick relaxation while in the middle of the day, and the sensation comes back.

Now I need to learn to direct it and emit it to everyone else around me.

A good way to practice this is bringing the energy up in social situations with a lot of people around. Then just focus on releasing the energy into them. I try to imagine them sucking the energy out of me like a vampire but in a good way, more like a baby cow sucking milk out of it's mother. I

Try to feel your heartbeat as well. Feel the rhythm in it's beat and feel the pulse travel through your whole body. I have been actively trying this for the last few weeks and now sometimes I don't even have to try, I will just feel the energy flare up and release when in a close proximity to people.

[Plenum]

Just stumbled on this in the 2010 L/L Homecoming handout PDF...

Be that as it may, this is only one layer of our answer. What impacts the questioner, and all of those upon Planet Earth, far more is the harvest that is occurring concomitantly with this turning of the age. The harvest has already begun. It began in your year 1987 in that period called “Harmonic Convergence.” [4] Entities began being harvested when they died from the physical at that time. All were offered the steps of light. Many of those you now call “Indigo Children” are those who have graduated from Planet Earth in the positive sense, have now gone on to acquaint themselves with their new fourth-density homes and have asked for permission to return to third density as wanderers.

Link to full session (scroll up a bit).

Q'uo also states that the winter solstice of 2012 is the date in which planet Earth is in full fourth density.

This throws my understanding of the harvest on its head. I quite enjoy reviewing facts however. So here we go; time to find Ra quotes that support (or not) this notion.

you know, when I first joined (towards the end of 2011), I had trouble telling Namaste and Tenet Nosce apart. They seemed to have very similiar presentation styles. This was one of the threads doing the rounds at the time.

re-reading it, and with more experience of the forums under my belt, the differences are quite clear

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on topic now, yes I recently came across this same quote quite spontaneously in my reading of the Q'uo archives. It jutted out at me. It seemed so DEFINITIVE.

It also helps create a timeline in my head.

I've always liked this quote:

Ra: I am Ra. This is partially correct. To be corrected is the concept of the creation of green-ray density bodily complexes. This creation will be gradual and will take place beginning with your third-density type of physical vehicle and, through the means of bisexual reproduction, become by evolutionary processes, the fourth-density body complexes.

The assumption will be that once Earth is fully 4d (the ticking of the clock), everyone born AFTER THAT DATE will be a harvested, positive entity, either from this planet or other planets.

that means, post 2012, as STS entities die a natural death, they will not be replaced, as this is a postive planet.

through attrition, and in our lifetime, all the structures that have been used for domination and control (military, media, big government) will themselves start morphing into a more loving form, as the entities inside those organisations will become more and more the positive ones.

if free energy discoveries are made, no-one will suppress them.

the 100-700 year transition cycle is to allow for this 'natural evolution' of 3d bodies into 4d ones, and for all negative entities to die (naturally that is lol). Also the 5% to 49% STO entities have to depart as well.

when this is done, and Earth is full of 4d positive guys, their 4d bodies will allow the instant telepathy and knowing of minds that is such a hallmark between them and this density. They will also learn how to shield the planet from 3d eyes and instrumention. Then they will be fully in 4d.

question is, will some of us volunteer again to come back as 4d wanderers?

17.1 Those who remain in fourth density upon this plane will be of the so-called positive orientation. Many will come from elsewhere, for it would appear that with all of the best efforts of the Confederation, which includes those from your peoples’ inner planes, inner civilizations, and those from other dimensions, the harvest will still be much less than that which this planetary sphere is capable of comfortably supporting in service.

[Patrick]

Plenum my friend, IMHO you are spot on !