The Law of Attraction

[Oceania]

bang kaew, i don't see their message the same way. sides, didn't Abraham say it was Jesus who healed the sick by not seeing them as sick but instead focusing on the source field flow of wellness that belongs to everybody and thus making them well? (paraphrasing)

lowering your vibration to care for another is noble but foolish, if you can instead stay high and thus affect the other one much more that way. Abraham has never said afaik that you should not care for a dying person. if you've ever heard Esther say that please gimme a link. Abraham teaches a tool, they do not tell you to use it for good or bad, they instead provide information. so it's up to the person to use it for either. Abraham doesn't judge.

[drifting pages]

Every time someone involved in "healing" asked their opinion they always say the same thing, well being is the natural way, your job is not to make them better, it is to facilitate their well being by your non resistance to the natural flow of love and worthiness, to know so well their well being that you influence them in that direction.

And that means not taking score or going where the person is vibrationally, it means recognizing where you want to focus and then focusing on it.

That is what i understand of it.

[Oceania]

well said!

[zenmaster]

Not different than teaching or learning is conducted. You offer a new pattern or information, they can accept it or reject it. 'worthiness' is an advanced trait, especially in this density. People can easily heal and be healed without much of it.

[Bang Kaew]

bang kaew, i don't see their message the same way. sides, didn't Abraham say it was Jesus who healed the sick by not seeing them as sick but instead focusing on the source field flow of wellness that belongs to everybody and thus making them well? (paraphrasing)

lowering your vibration to care for another is noble but foolish, if you can instead stay high and thus affect the other one much more that way. Abraham has never said afaik that you should not care for a dying person. if you've ever heard Esther say that please gimme a link. Abraham teaches a tool, they do not tell you to use it for good or bad, they instead provide information. so it's up to the person to use it for either. Abraham doesn't judge.

Yes in a way they teach the Law of One. It probably depends on how one is feeling or on what one's polarity is, as to whether one interprets their message as being selfish is OK or not. Probably if everyone did what they say it would raise the planetary vibration. But for those still innocent to the choice of polarity, I feel it does give the message of 'it's ok to be selfish because that is good for me'. Can you not imagine Tony Soprano's sister Janice saying that? I sometimes do not want to talk to my mother on the phone and I will lower my vibration doing so, but I do it anyway.

If you're not selfish enough to want to feel good, then you can't connect with the energy that is your Source which does always feel good.

--- Abraham

Excerpted from the workshop in Lincroft, NJ on Tuesday, October 15th, 1996 #466

What if someone got a real rush from rape! ?

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In order to help someone who's in a very different vibrational frequency, you've got to adjust your vibrational frequency so that they can hear you. And if we were standing in your physical shoes, we would not adjust our vibrational frequency down—ever. We would not introduce more resistance in our vibration for any reason whatsoever, because disconnecting yourself from resources does not give them more to eat.

--- Abraham

Excerpted from the workshop in Tarrytown, NY on Saturday, October 9th, 2004 # 100

Can that be STO?

[Oceania]

that doesn't make any sense. why does abraham say you always have to feel good and then they say it's selfish to want to feel good and disconnects you from source? can you give me links to these?

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oh wait i misread. yeah i think that can be STO, but i think Abraham's info is sometimes given in a naive or careless way. because a lot of people who are into LOA are naive and think Abraham is the be and end all of everything and are like you said, mislead to believe it's ok to be totally self involved and selfish because Abraham might come across to some to be teaching that message.

[godwide_void]

In my life I perceive the Law of Attraction as the underlying system which attracts things (be it people, circumstances, etc.) which vibrate similar in frequency to a person unto that person. It might overlap with the phenomenon of thoughts = manifestations which has been happening alot to me and reveal itself in synchronicities. Based on my personal biases, distortions, perspectives, likes, dislikes, desires, factors which are external from me yet at the same time seem tied in with different aspects of my being gravitate towards me based on what thoughts I have (which I presume contribute to how ones 'frequency' is 'vibrating') and my overall beingness.

[Bang Kaew]

For me the ultimate question regarding the law of attraction, is whether that creates ones life events or ones higher self?

[Namaste]

When Abe talks of being 'selfish', it's in terms of putting your own vibrational (i.e. mental/emotional/spiritual balance - think balancing/polarisation) at the top of your priority list.

The reason being, we're each here to do our own thing. When you resonate at a higher frequency (as Abe puts it, connected to Source), you offer much more to the world than when you put someone else's resonance above yours, and meet them at their (in this context) lower level. That ultimately hurts both entities involved (and planetary contribution).

Hence, making sure you are 'vibrationally' sound is the most important thing you can do, as this entails that you're connected to source, which again entails that you're an open, loving entity (for those on the positive path).

[Bang Kaew]

When Abe talks of being 'selfish', it's in terms of putting your own vibrational (i.e. mental/emotional/spiritual balance - think balancing/polarisation) at the top of your priority list.

The reason being, we're each here to do our own thing. When you resonate at a higher frequency (as Abe puts it, connected to Source), you offer much more to the world than when you put someone else's resonance above yours, and meet them at their (in this context) lower level. That ultimately hurts both entities involved (and planetary contribution).

Hence, making sure you are 'vibrationally' sound is the most important thing you can do, as this entails that you're connected to source, which again entails that you're an open, loving entity (for those on the positive path).

I agree and if you think about it, serving the creator is being happy. What's your view re the law of attraction vs the higher self?

[Namaste]

I agree and if you think about it, serving the creator is being happy. What's your view re the law of attraction vs the higher self?

The LoA and HS operate seamlessly with each other.

While your Higher Self may steer you in certain directions through excitement and intuition, your choices (and hence balance) will attract that which reflects it. Hence, they say, the Universe is a Cosmic Mirror. We are each responsible for our choices in this density, which is why it's so important to awaken from the material slumber and make conscious choices.

The Higher Self, like the Universe, it will support you unconditionally, and help orchestrate lessons that reflect your current balance (even if that means challenging situations).

Whatever one experiences, it's perfect for that moment.

[Bang Kaew]

I agree and if you think about it, serving the creator is being happy. What's your view re the law of attraction vs the higher self?

The LoA and HS operate seamlessly with each other.

While your Higher Self may steer you in certain directions through excitement and intuition, your choices (and hence balance) will attract that which reflects it. Hence, they say, the Universe is a Cosmic Mirror. We are each responsible for our choices in this density, which is why it's so important to awaken from the material slumber and make conscious choices.

The Higher Self, like the Universe, it will support you unconditionally, and help orchestrate lessons that reflect your current balance (even if that means challenging situations).

Whatever one experiences, it's perfect for that moment.

I think I must be a bit thick because I still do not get it. I mean I get that we are all one and that I am my higher self but I also get that my higher self is a separate entity pulling my strings as it were. I mean I nearly get it, that if I attract events in to my life then I obviously need to live those events until I have exhausted the desire for it - and obviously my higher self wants that.

I think my issue is that if I see it as my higher self pulling my strings then I relax and feel I am in good hands - that is the David Wilcock view. But when I listen to Abe saying your vibration creates your future I get anxious when I feel anxious! I do adhere to Abe's advice and pay attention to my emotions but does your vibration cause illness for example or does the higher self think that it would be a benefit? Does the Law of One not say that on occasion illness is a pre carnate karmic choice? I get how the guilty vibration is the mechanism, but is Abe not saying not to bother? Does that mean that repaying karmic debts is not necessary to evolve? That makes sense actually.

[drifting pages]

Who cares, who is who and who is doing what, all you can do right now is follow your emotions and live in the moment, everything else is mind chatter.

Think about it, or rather, feel your way trough this.

[Namaste]

Well, firstly, don't be anxious about being anxious, as that is a conscious decision to be so. The more you let go and live in the moment, the less you'll give thought to whether you're on track or not.

I had a piece of advice from one of my guides, which has been, and is, a great matra for me when I start to think too much.

Don't analyse. Be.

This is not to be confused with contemplation of past events. It means: do not analyse your feelings in the moment (i.e. worry over them), BE them. Let them flow. Be in the moment. You will experience catalyst in the most useful manner in this way.

You are indeed part of your higher self. It pulls the strings, as such, and aligns you with specific events. The LoA works in synch with this, drawing other circumstances to you (think in terms of general experience).

[Bang Kaew]

Who cares, who is who and who is doing what, all you can do right now is follow your emotions and live in the moment, everything else is mind chatter.

Think about it, or rather, feel your way trough this.

That is what I do do but being interested or contemplating the Law of One is also a good thing imo. That is the difference between Ra and Abe, Ra answers while Abe kind of treats you like a child - that is not to say it is not brilliant advice. Have you ever heard Carla talk about Abe?

[Ankh]

Have you ever heard Carla talk about Abe?

What did she say?

[drifting pages]

Well Abe does have an answer to your question in more detail, but it won't mash with everything the Ra books says and it will be off topic.

If you want we can go to the olio, other channeled material forum and talk in the abe thread.

[Bang Kaew]

Well Abe does have an answer to your question in more detail, but it won't mash with everything the Ra books says and it will be off topic.

If you want we can go to the olio, other channeled material forum and talk in the abe thread.

Thanks I will do that.

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Have you ever heard Carla talk about Abe?

What did she say?

I have not but I wondered if someone else had.

[kycahi]

I agree and if you think about it, serving the creator is being happy. What's your view re the law of attraction vs the higher self?

The LoA and HS operate seamlessly with each other.

While your Higher Self may steer you in certain directions through excitement and intuition, your choices (and hence balance) will attract that which reflects it. Hence, they say, the Universe is a Cosmic Mirror. We are each responsible for our choices in this density, which is why it's so important to awaken from the material slumber and make conscious choices.

The Higher Self, like the Universe, it will support you unconditionally, and help orchestrate lessons that reflect your current balance (even if that means challenging situations).

Whatever one experiences, it's perfect for that moment.

I think I must be a bit thick because I still do not get it. I mean I get that we are all one and that I am my higher self but I also get that my higher self is a separate entity pulling my strings as it were. I mean I nearly get it, that if I attract events in to my life then I obviously need to live those events until I have exhausted the desire for it - and obviously my higher self wants that.

I think my issue is that if I see it as my higher self pulling my strings then I relax and feel I am in good hands - that is the David Wilcock view. But when I listen to Abe saying your vibration creates your future I get anxious when I feel anxious! I do adhere to Abe's advice and pay attention to my emotions but does your vibration cause illness for example or does the higher self think that it would be a benefit? Does the Law of One not say that on occasion illness is a pre carnate karmic choice? I get how the guilty vibration is the mechanism, but is Abe not saying not to bother? Does that mean that repaying karmic debts is not necessary to evolve? That makes sense actually.

My first thinking about this: In time/space, we have access to tons of information and zillions of other-selves and Higher Self to work things out with. This for the purpose of setting things up for the next incarn into space/time. So far, so good. Then we pop into a new body where we start at square zero with little or NO memory of all that planning. (Whom do I thank for THAT, right, Ocean? )

Of course, we have certain tendencies and biases built into our personalities, but seemingly no access to all that support group. One cool tool that will push us toward alignment with the original plan is, TA-DA, meditation. It also can connect, although poorly, with HS, who might want to bend us a little from that plan to one more in line with current space/time experience. This is reason enough to do it, IMO.

Regarding karmic debt, I think that this is just pre-incarn programming, rather than an absolute, burdensome requirement (exception: born with a handicap of some kind, including a miserable childhood). We are still stuck with it, unless HS and others over there determine that this space/time life is accomplishing so much that we don't need it any longer. Again, meditate to let this new direction sink in.

[AnthroHeart]

Dolores Cannon mentions that a certain wave of people here don't incur karma at all. They have a protective shielding of sorts that prevents accumulation of it.

[Bang Kaew]

Dolores Cannon mentions that a certain wave of people here don't incur karma at all. They have a protective shielding of sorts that prevents accumulation of it.

Wanderers? Although according to the Law of One that is not the case.

My first thinking about this: In time/space, we have access to tons of
information and zillions of other-selves and Higher Self to work things
out with. This for the purpose of setting things up for the next incarn
into space/time. So far, so good. Then we pop into a new body where we
start at square zero with little or NO memory of all that planning.
(Whom do I thank for THAT, right, Ocean? [img]images/smilies/sad.gif[/img] )



Of course, we have certain tendencies and biases built into our
personalities, but seemingly no access to all that support group. One
cool tool that will push us toward alignment with the original plan is,
TA-DA, meditation. It also can connect, although poorly, with HS, who
might want to bend us a little from that plan to one more in line with
current space/time experience. This is reason enough to do it, IMO.



Regarding karmic debt, I think that this is just pre-incarn programming,
rather than an absolute, burdensome requirement (exception: born with a
handicap of some kind, including a miserable childhood). We are still
stuck with it, unless HS and others over there determine that this
space/time life is accomplishing so much that we don't need it any
longer. Again, meditate to let this new direction sink in.

Good post but where does the loa fit? Does the higher self help but the LoA is just there and there is no getting round that? What is

TA-DA?

[Oceania]

i think that's bullwank, that a certain wave doesn't incur karma. excuse my language. i KNOW i am an alien and probably have no previous lives. i have no desire to have children per dolores' words and yet, i incur karma. i think she's generalizing. i think there's a possibility for anyone to get karma cuz this is free will.

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I agree and if you think about it, serving the creator is being happy. What's your view re the law of attraction vs the higher self?

The LoA and HS operate seamlessly with each other.

While your Higher Self may steer you in certain directions through excitement and intuition, your choices (and hence balance) will attract that which reflects it. Hence, they say, the Universe is a Cosmic Mirror. We are each responsible for our choices in this density, which is why it's so important to awaken from the material slumber and make conscious choices.

The Higher Self, like the Universe, it will support you unconditionally, and help orchestrate lessons that reflect your current balance (even if that means challenging situations).

Whatever one experiences, it's perfect for that moment.

I think I must be a bit thick because I still do not get it. I mean I get that we are all one and that I am my higher self but I also get that my higher self is a separate entity pulling my strings as it were. I mean I nearly get it, that if I attract events in to my life then I obviously need to live those events until I have exhausted the desire for it - and obviously my higher self wants that.

I think my issue is that if I see it as my higher self pulling my strings then I relax and feel I am in good hands - that is the David Wilcock view. But when I listen to Abe saying your vibration creates your future I get anxious when I feel anxious! I do adhere to Abe's advice and pay attention to my emotions but does your vibration cause illness for example or does the higher self think that it would be a benefit? Does the Law of One not say that on occasion illness is a pre carnate karmic choice? I get how the guilty vibration is the mechanism, but is Abe not saying not to bother? Does that mean that repaying karmic debts is not necessary to evolve? That makes sense actually.

My first thinking about this: In time/space, we have access to tons of information and zillions of other-selves and Higher Self to work things out with. This for the purpose of setting things up for the next incarn into space/time. So far, so good. Then we pop into a new body where we start at square zero with little or NO memory of all that planning. (Whom do I thank for THAT, right, Ocean? )

Of course, we have certain tendencies and biases built into our personalities, but seemingly no access to all that support group. One cool tool that will push us toward alignment with the original plan is, TA-DA, meditation. It also can connect, although poorly, with HS, who might want to bend us a little from that plan to one more in line with current space/time experience. This is reason enough to do it, IMO.

Regarding karmic debt, I think that this is just pre-incarn programming, rather than an absolute, burdensome requirement (exception: born with a handicap of some kind, including a miserable childhood). We are still stuck with it, unless HS and others over there determine that this space/time life is accomplishing so much that we don't need it any longer. Again, meditate to let this new direction sink in.

i dunno who you thank for that. all i know is i'm not thanking anyone.

[Richard]

There is always someone trying to separate the "chosen few" from the rest of the population. You see it in almost every single human derived belief system known.

Bullwank?..I like that term. Thought I'd heard or read every form of Bull-something. I'm gonna save that one. Appropriate use too. I agree.

Richard

[Namaste]

Not a certain wave - certain ET incarnates, as they have a particular mission.

Whether this is true or not, who knows? Ra did not disclose all possibilities as the information offered was dependent upon Don's questioning.

Upon saying that, I have always been under the assumption that all Wanderers are subject to third density necessities. Including the harvest.

[Oceania]

Dolores said it was a wave.

[Namaste]

Dolores said it was a wave.

Hmm, I wonder if she meant a sub-wave, as the usual three waves she describes doesn't mention an entire one being karma-free. Unless of course, my memory is playing tricks on me (which it has once today already).

I'll watch the interview again where she mentions it tomorrow to see if wires were crossed. It's here if anyone fancies an interesting hour or so :¬)

[Oceania]

i recently listened to it and she said a wave. i have to listen again.

[Bang Kaew]

I think a good example of the law of attraction working is the music you get when on random. If you are excited you get great music. If you are bored, you do not get music to pick you up, you get boring music and if you want to change your state, you have to consciously listen to uplifting music. Basically you have to put in the work and do something that will change your point of attraction

[Plenum]

one example of the Law of Attraction:

I put stuff in my Chariot (great way of the mind)

and then the chariot (the mind) moves to where sympathetic vibrations are.

I take stuff out of my Chariot.

and the mind becomes still (no attraction/dislike of anything).