Covid vaccine and personal experiences

[Relax]

To quote my reply to another vacc thread:

I'm 58 - my father is 98, and he was vaccinated with Pfizer (and the follow up booster) in February (this year).

He had no side effects, feels well, and continues to do his normal everyday activities.
Other than (already) weakening eyesight, he's in the same excellent health he's been for years.

He'll be 99 in a few weeks. He's happy and healthy. He prays, laughs, he's focussed and positive. Given my mother died early last year (not covid related) - he has a great attitude and a lot of bravery given Mum's passing meant his marriage ended after 61 years.

Dad survived action in WW2, he survived rheumatic fever and tuberculosis as a child (which permanently damaged his heart) and being born in 1922 (!) he saw illness take beloved family members, before vaccinations were available.

I'm having my vaccination this coming week and given our stupid, bumbling, self serving prime minister didn't order enough vaccinations for our population - I feel very blessed to be able to get this protection.

I've been researching 'long-covid' and would rather have a vaccination than contract covid or long covid ANY DAY OF THE WEEK.

Also, I don't have a science degree or a medical degree. Therefore I will never infringe on others with unsolicited medical advice.

Reassured by a beloved family member who is a bit over a year from turning 100 years old - being perfectly healthy, safe and SOUL FULL since having both vaccinations in February, I've decided I can don my cape and follow suite - so I'll update with my personal experience as soon as I can struggle off the couch with a slightly sore arm...

(ie: my antennae growing, my wrist nano-particles getting me magnetically stuck to the fridge door handle when I try to get a midnight snack, better 5G reception, morgellon threads growing out of my toenails (all the better to knit some new socks with), a soulless look in my eyes, and sudden switch of polarity to STS.)

but seriously - if I am, indeed, a guinea pig for noob scientists in thrall to evil overlords - I'm going to make sure I donate my genetically mutilated/mutated red blood cells to the local blood bank so I can 'shed' doom into as many other 'willing' recipients (disconnecting their Souls from Life Force) as possible.

*maniacal laugh*

THE era of Magnatron is upon us.

(A magnetic based foe who battled the Flaming Carrot. He was trying to hunt a baby werewolf when the Flaming Carrot encountered and defeated him.)
https://comicvine.gamespot.com/magnatron/4005-121368/

whatever happens - LONG LIVE "slow-moving magnetic monopoles" (*voice becoming high-pitched*) :idea:

NB: but seriously - if things do start to stick to your injection site - this is what you can do to save yourself:

"What stops a magnet from working?
As the temperature increases, at a certain point called the Curie temperature, a magnet will lose its strength completely. Not only will a material lose its magnetism, it will no longer be attracted to magnets."

Saunas people - saunas!... get thee to a sauna - wrap yourself in tinfoil from head to toe - and sweat that New World Order right outa ya  

[the]

many article explained a deep state strategy, many vaccine are actually saline, so people won't feel serious effect immediately, and continue to take 3rd and 4th shot.

if people want to know they got nano accine or, e.g. got blood clot or not, they need to do this d-dimer test, as explained in this video.
https://www.bitchute.com/video/mZHA2u71pBwk/

[Margan]

I haven't gotten any shots so far...

What is your reason for not getting the shot?

[Diana]

but seriously - if I am, indeed, a guinea pig for noob scientists in thrall to evil overlords - I'm going to make sure I donate my genetically mutilated/mutated red blood cells to the local blood bank so I can 'shed' doom into as many other 'willing' recipients (disconnecting their Souls from Life Force) as possible.

*maniacal laugh*
...

I don't see the efficacy in making fun of others' opinions and concerns. Yeah, some of it sounds crazy. But to be honest, I think it's pretty crazy to look at this whole picture (what is available of the whole picture, which is insanely confusing and to me does not add up or make any sense), and take a vaccine produced by profit-motivated pharmaceutical companies, with all the controversial things going on. I am not going to list all the questionable aspects of the pandemic, the media, and vaccine. But I will say that the amount of propaganda and censorship alone should raise questions.

By the way, by any definition, you are a guinea pig for the vaccine. That is just a fact. Even if everything is on the up-and-up, the rush to vaccinate is experimental. That is not to say it will be or is harmful. 

[Relax]

but seriously - if I am, indeed, a guinea pig for noob scientists in thrall to evil overlords - I'm going to make sure I donate my genetically mutilated/mutated red blood cells to the local blood bank so I can 'shed' doom into as many other 'willing' recipients (disconnecting their Souls from Life Force) as possible.

*maniacal laugh*
...

I don't see the efficacy in making fun of others' opinions and concerns. Yeah, some of it sounds crazy. But to be honest, I think it's pretty crazy to look at this whole picture (what is available of the whole picture, which is insanely confusing and to me does not add up or make any sense), and take a vaccine produced by profit-motivated pharmaceutical companies, with all the controversial things going on. I am not going to list all the questionable aspects of the pandemic, the media, and vaccine. But I will say that the amount of propaganda and censorship alone should raise questions.

By the way, by any definition, you are a guinea pig for the vaccine. That is just a fact. Even if everything is on the up-and-up, the rush to vaccinate is experimental. That is not to say it will be or is harmful. 

It really isn't fair for people to be allowed to post that soul disconnection/soul death (etc) occurs from vaccination - that (the bad thing!) autism (I'm autistic) occurs from vaccination - (now repeatedly disproven !) and numerous other patently false, manipulative, fearful, links and bizarre ideas are CONSTANTLY being posted to this website - yet I'm admonished for being light-hearted about it.

I have  BA/Communications in Media/Technology - I studied how media manipulates - and I'm not anti all conspiracy theories - I'm into unorthodox metaphysics as well as allopathic science... and also discerning of both as well.

I'm just sick of the discussion here being so flippin ONE SIDED. For every link posted I check it out and it's debunkable ... for every link I could post data PROVING the exact opposite.

Your country is responsible for the past 4 years of extremely stressed out mental health of most Australians I know - because 'you' voted in a corrupt wannabe dictator - forgive me if I've had a gutful of the crazy paranoia coming out of your country and infecting the world.

And before anyone gets all up in it with me - THIS IS NOT A RARE VIEWPOINT - the world is embarrassed by 'Americans'.
Americans are embarrassed by 'Americans'.

NB: My Native American friends always write it as "Amerikkka".

And the 'efficacy'? Keeping me sane from the constant barrage of manipulative paranoid FEAR porn being posted on Bring 4th :@

[Diana]

@ Relax:

I really don't want to stir up conflict or argue. There is fear-mongering on both sides of this issue as far as I can tell. I'm not on a side, except for the side of the sovereignty of my own body. Everything is too unclear.

I just don't see the reason to be sarcastic to the extent you were. I would ask you who or what that helps.

As for Americans and how they are viewed in the world, I am aware. I have had many friends from other cultures and I have traveled a lot. I am also part Iroquoise (paternal grandfather), and I don't know how much that contributes to my thinking, but I resonate with a culture that sees the world in a different context than the average person (a context that acknowledges all life forms including the planet). Maybe that is why I trust natural sources of healing over pharmaceuticals and synthetic, patented substances. That is not to say I don't respect and want scientific exploration and advancement. I just don't think—and this is my opinion only—that the average consciousness of humanity is in sync with the most compassionate and wise use of our technology.

[Aion]

many article explained a deep state strategy, many vaccine are actually saline, so people won't feel serious effect immediately, and continue to take 3rd and 4th shot.

if people want to know they got nano accine or, e.g. got blood clot or not, they need to do this d-dimer test, as explained in this video.
https://www.bitchute.com/video/mZHA2u71pBwk/

Wow, reading through the comments there are some pretty harsh views. A lot of "the quicker people start dying, the better" type of comments.
One person is even saying you should only have compassion for people who have chosen not to get it, and not for the "paganistic ignorant" (whatever that means lol).

Obviously I know these aren't your views, but I am curious if these sorts of peripheral comments are noticed by most people? For me, reading the comments section is like reading "reviews" of information in a way, and some of these articles are full of vitriol and extreme viewpoints which doesn't really make these information sources look well-grounded or reasonable. Everyone judges information differently, of course, but for myself I tend to take note of the peripheral ideologies which arise around information and ponder the relationship between such viewpoints and the information. That is just me, though.

To be totally honest, I take media 'on both sides' with a grain of salt. All media is produced by humans, ergo it all has some kind of bias or agenda at play.

I think that the pursuit for knowledge and information is good and worthy, but I personally have a slightly different definition of 'truth' than some, or so it seems to me. For many, when they talk about the pursuit of truth, it seems to be about information and knowledge, things that can be checked true or false, and are typically external. For me, 'the truth' is unity, the reality of the One Identity, and that is the only truth I know and recognize. For me, 'truth seeking' is seeking this truth.

In my humble view, my greater concern is the 'us vs them' duality enforcing aspect of conflict induction that worries me. The battle itself, the "vaccinated vs the vaccinated" duality is just the latest in the efforts to keep humanity at odds with itself, divided and separated. Another reason to view each other as 'the other', and to build walls between people. This, to me, is the real 'spiritual warfare' that is taking place. The vaccine/virus scenario is a collective manifestation of this ongoing war-like nature in the racial mind.

So for me, I am choosing not to seeing people who have made a choice either way any differently, they are still the Creator just as I am, and that is the only 'truth' that I am able to see amongst all of the endless facts of the world. I'm not trying to being contentious or oppositional here, in fact quite the opposite, more just airing out some of my own considerations when it comes to this whole situation. Everyone has to discern and discriminate for themselves what they feel is the best course of action through their own lives.

[Margan]

Diana I also think you are part Vulcan, if you don't mind my saying so (I'm a fan of Spock )
bc this:
"I don't see the efficacy in making fun of others' opinions and concerns. " totally reminded me of him.
Although he would probably have said something along the lines of...
"it is illogical to make fun....."
Edit: again we see how much catalyst the covid (vaccine) offers which is probably exactly what we need - I think we should all be grateful honestly.
It allows us to look at our fears and what we value in life...

[Patrick]

@Relax

We have been taking steps to funnel these very polarizing subjects into the existing megathreads. This way it prevents new threads from popping up all the time about these.

So this means that it should make it easier for members to flag those threads for themselves and then ignore them. I think you will have to ignore only 3 or 4 threads total to ignore this whole saga about Covid and vaccination.

We figured that this was an acceptable compromise to allow the subject to go on while making it as easy as possible for members to disregard the subject if they so wishes. Maybe merging ALL the threads on the subject into a single megathread would be even better, but I don't think we are quite ready for that yet.

[Diana]

Diana I also think you are part Vulcan, if you don't mind my saying so (I'm a fan of Spock )
bc this:
"I don't see the efficacy in making fun of others' opinions and concerns. " totally reminded me of him.
Although he would probably have said something along the lines of...
"it is illogical to make fun....."

I am part Vulcan. Actually everyone who knows me thinks I'm Spock-like. 

Edit: again we see how much catalyst the covid (vaccine) offers which is probably exactly what we need - I think we should all be grateful honestly.
It allows us to look at our fears and what we value in life...

Yes. And it reminds me of the Ra quote about contagious disease (though the catalyst encompasses so much more than just the relationship between human and virus:

34.7 ▶ Questioner: Do what we call contagious diseases play any part in this process with respect to the unmanifested self?

Ra: I am Ra. These so-called contagious diseases are those entities of second density which offer an opportunity for this type of catalyst. If this catalyst is unneeded, then these second-density creatures, as you would call them, do not have an effect. In each of these generalizations you may please note that there are anomalies so that we cannot speak to every circumstance but only to the general run or way of things as you experience them.

[Aion]

I haven't gotten any shots so far...

What is your reason for not getting the shot?

Hmm, well, the most direct and honest answer is intuitively I have not felt 'the time is here'. It's somewhat hard to describe, it is a possibility/probability which is controlled partly by my own choice, but there are 'timelines' one could say where that choice is forced.

In a manner I am 'scientifically minded' but more of a mad scientist, my life, to me, is highly experimental. The ingredients of my experience are events, people, things, etc, all the catalyst of reality. In actuality, I have not made an absolute decision on whether or not I will get it ultimately. I am observing the social situation play out between the 'vaccinated' vs 'unvaccinated' and seeing the way the forced duality affects my own relationships and those around me.

On a practical level, my thinking is more along the lines of some advice I got as a tech - you never get the first generation of any technology. Immediate side-effects or potentially emergent issues later aside (and without going in to all of the spiritual woo-woo theories that are floating around), even taking it at the general first-hand assumption that it is generally safe, my consideration is actually towards its effectiveness. In particular, I am wary of the current state of the technology requiring ongoing booster shots and the potentially diminishing effectiveness. From what I understand the protection is only really at its max for about 6-7 months. I saw Pfizer is already pushing for a third shot. This technology hasn't stabilized in its use quite simply because this is the first wide-scale implementation, even if there has been experimental data building up to its emergence. There is a difference to me between lab and clinical testing settings and the chaos of actual society.

So for me, I am in a 'watch and wait' sort of mode. What I have noted is that the duality has put pressure on my relationships and that more than any issue of health or life and death are disruptions on a social level.

[the]

many article explained a deep state strategy, many vaccine are actually saline, so people won't feel serious effect immediately, and continue to take 3rd and 4th shot.

if people want to know they got nano accine or, e.g. got blood clot or not, they need to do this d-dimer test, as explained in this video.
https://www.bitchute.com/video/mZHA2u71pBwk/

Wow, reading through the comments there are some pretty harsh views. A lot of "the quicker people start dying, the better" type of comments.
One person is even saying you should only have compassion for people who have chosen not to get it, and not for the "paganistic ignorant" (whatever that means lol).

Obviously I know these aren't your views, but I am curious if these sorts of peripheral comments are noticed by most people? For me, reading the comments section is like reading "reviews" of information in a way, and some of these articles are full of vitriol and extreme viewpoints which doesn't really make these information sources look well-grounded or reasonable. Everyone judges information differently, of course, but for myself I tend to take note of the peripheral ideologies which arise around information and ponder the relationship between such viewpoints and the information. That is just me, though.

To be totally honest, I take media 'on both sides' with a grain of salt. All media is produced by humans, ergo it all has some kind of bias or agenda at play.

I think that the pursuit for knowledge and information is good and worthy, but I personally have a slightly different definition of 'truth' than some, or so it seems to me. For many, when they talk about the pursuit of truth, it seems to be about information and knowledge, things that can be checked true or false, and are typically external. For me, 'the truth' is unity, the reality of the One Identity, and that is the only truth I know and recognize. For me, 'truth seeking' is seeking this truth.

In my humble view, my greater concern is the 'us vs them' duality enforcing aspect of conflict induction that worries me. The battle itself, the "vaccinated vs the vaccinated" duality is just the latest in the efforts to keep humanity at odds with itself, divided and separated. Another reason to view each other as 'the other', and to build walls between people. This, to me, is the real 'spiritual warfare' that is taking place. The vaccine/virus scenario is a collective manifestation of this ongoing war-like nature in the racial mind.

So for me, I am choosing not to seeing people who have made a choice either way any differently, they are still the Creator just as I am, and that is the only 'truth' that I am able to see amongst all of the endless facts of the world. I'm not trying to being contentious or oppositional here, in fact quite the opposite, more just airing out some of my own considerations when it comes to this whole situation. Everyone has to discern and discriminate for themselves what they feel is the best course of action through their own lives.

actually i didn't read any of those reviews at all :-)
the video was originally in youtube, but youtube removed it, so i have to post it from other sources.

i like it because it's pure 'scientific approach', it's evidence based, based on his experience and research, just how to do the test, and why need to do the test etc.

i know for a long time, to prevent people ascending, negative sides tried to create fear or separation in humanity, so i won't be surprised to see those kinds of post under this video, prevent people from watching this useful video, and/or create conflict.

on a side notes, once u know multiple realities, u will know there's no conflict between understand all is one and involve in the battle at the same time. IMHO, this is a good approach to maintain in peace and joy state all the time.

more information are in this thread: Suffering in 3D,fighting in 5D,ACCEPTING in 7D.on all levels at once.

https://www.bring4th.org/forums/showthre...?tid=19253

[Aion]

many article explained a deep state strategy, many vaccine are actually saline, so people won't feel serious effect immediately, and continue to take 3rd and 4th shot.

if people want to know they got nano accine or, e.g. got blood clot or not, they need to do this d-dimer test, as explained in this video.
https://www.bitchute.com/video/mZHA2u71pBwk/

Wow, reading through the comments there are some pretty harsh views. A lot of "the quicker people start dying, the better" type of comments.
One person is even saying you should only have compassion for people who have chosen not to get it, and not for the "paganistic ignorant" (whatever that means lol).

Obviously I know these aren't your views, but I am curious if these sorts of peripheral comments are noticed by most people? For me, reading the comments section is like reading "reviews" of information in a way, and some of these articles are full of vitriol and extreme viewpoints which doesn't really make these information sources look well-grounded or reasonable. Everyone judges information differently, of course, but for myself I tend to take note of the peripheral ideologies which arise around information and ponder the relationship between such viewpoints and the information. That is just me, though.

To be totally honest, I take media 'on both sides' with a grain of salt. All media is produced by humans, ergo it all has some kind of bias or agenda at play.

I think that the pursuit for knowledge and information is good and worthy, but I personally have a slightly different definition of 'truth' than some, or so it seems to me. For many, when they talk about the pursuit of truth, it seems to be about information and knowledge, things that can be checked true or false, and are typically external. For me, 'the truth' is unity, the reality of the One Identity, and that is the only truth I know and recognize. For me, 'truth seeking' is seeking this truth.

In my humble view, my greater concern is the 'us vs them' duality enforcing aspect of conflict induction that worries me. The battle itself, the "vaccinated vs the vaccinated" duality is just the latest in the efforts to keep humanity at odds with itself, divided and separated. Another reason to view each other as 'the other', and to build walls between people. This, to me, is the real 'spiritual warfare' that is taking place. The vaccine/virus scenario is a collective manifestation of this ongoing war-like nature in the racial mind.

So for me, I am choosing not to seeing people who have made a choice either way any differently, they are still the Creator just as I am, and that is the only 'truth' that I am able to see amongst all of the endless facts of the world. I'm not trying to being contentious or oppositional here, in fact quite the opposite, more just airing out some of my own considerations when it comes to this whole situation. Everyone has to discern and discriminate for themselves what they feel is the best course of action through their own lives.

actually i didn't read any of those reviews at all :-)
the video was originally in youtube, but youtube removed it, so i have to post it from other sources.

i like it because it's pure 'scientific approach', it's evidence based, based on his experience and research, just how to do the test, and why need to do the test etc.

i know for a long time, to prevent people ascending, negative sides tried to create fear or separation in humanity, so i won't be surprised to see those kinds of post under this useful video, prevent people from watching this useful video.

on a side notes, once u know multiple reality, u will know there's no conflict between understand all is one and involve in the battle at the same time. IMHO, this is a good approach to maintain in peace and joy state all the time.

more information are in this thread: Suffering in 3D,fighting in 5D,ACCEPTING in 7D.on all levels at once.

https://www.bring4th.org/forums/showthre...?tid=19253

I have seen 'pure scientific approach' making claims on both sides, and both for and against, based on their own experience and research, so again it seems to kind of fall to a person's own "resonance" or confirmation bias. That's fine, I am not seeking to change anyone's manner of navigating information in the world, but more just pointing that there are a lot of personal biases at play.

I admit I am not someone who pursues "peace and joy state all the time", in fact I feel like that would be somewhat blinding. There is no conflicts in unity. Unity simply "is". Involvement in any battle is just another choice to be made. However, choosing the battle, is not choosing peace, in my humble opinion. Can you choose both peace and war? I'm not sure, but I guess everyone will satisfy their conscience in their own way. In a moment, there is only so much one can do with their body and their mind. At the end, the choices may not really have all that much substance after all.

[Margan]

I haven't gotten any shots so far...

What is your reason for not getting the shot?

Hmm, well, the most direct and honest answer is intuitively I have not felt 'the time is here'. It's somewhat hard to describe, it is a possibility/probability which is controlled partly by my own choice, but there are 'timelines' one could say where that choice is forced.

In a manner I am 'scientifically minded' but more of a mad scientist, my life, to me, is highly experimental. The ingredients of my experience are events, people, things, etc, all the catalyst of reality. In actuality, I have not made an absolute decision on whether or not I will get it ultimately. I am observing the social situation play out between the 'vaccinated' vs 'unvaccinated' and seeing the way the forced duality affects my own relationships and those around me.

So for me, I am in a 'watch and wait' sort of mode. What I have noted is that the duality has put pressure on my relationships and that more than any issue of health or life and death are disruptions on a social level.

I can relate to that very well! I feel somewhat the same. Despite my ranting mainly against it I don't want to exclude it totally from my reality, mainly bc I feel that this would be too one-sided of an approach and there might not be a way around it eventually.
I see it as a potentiality.
Just want to be prepared to the best when it happens so that I can fully celebrate it haha that is why I am so happy about The etc posting info about what can be taken in order to minimize side effects.
Intuitively I feel that it would not harm me - I even drew two tarot cards, one re the covid issue and one re the vaccine and they were both the same and very positive cards ("prosperity") which I take to understand that this situation is so rich in catalyst and learning opportunities that we can only be grateful.

[Aion]

I haven't gotten any shots so far...

What is your reason for not getting the shot?

Hmm, well, the most direct and honest answer is intuitively I have not felt 'the time is here'. It's somewhat hard to describe, it is a possibility/probability which is controlled partly by my own choice, but there are 'timelines' one could say where that choice is forced.

In a manner I am 'scientifically minded' but more of a mad scientist, my life, to me, is highly experimental. The ingredients of my experience are events, people, things, etc, all the catalyst of reality. In actuality, I have not made an absolute decision on whether or not I will get it ultimately. I am observing the social situation play out between the 'vaccinated' vs 'unvaccinated' and seeing the way the forced duality affects my own relationships and those around me.

So for me, I am in a 'watch and wait' sort of mode. What I have noted is that the duality has put pressure on my relationships and that more than any issue of health or life and death are disruptions on a social level.

I can relate to that very well! I feel somewhat the same. Despite my ranting mainly against it   I don't want to exclude it totally from my reality, mainly bc I feel that this would be too one-sided of an approach and there might not be a way around it eventually.
I see it as a potentiality.
Just want to be prepared to the best when it happens so that I can fully celebrate it haha that is why I am so happy about The etc posting info about what can be taken in order to minimize side effects.
Intuitively I feel that it would not harm me - I even drew two tarot cards, one re the covid issue and one re the vaccine and they were both the same and very positive cards ("prosperity") which I take to understand that this situation is so rich in catalyst and learning opportunities that we can only be grateful.

Well, there is admittedly also a health side to it for me as well. Although I'm not that old I have been having health issues the past number of years, and more of a factor, is that I have had remarkably bad 'luck' when it comes to medical procedures. As someone with a seeming unfortunate knack for getting the uncommon side effects there is a bit of apprehension there. I have contemplated that this might be related to my own lack of trust in the medical procedures, of course.

[Margan]

Again, I can relate. I have remarkably bad luck with allopathic medicine which is also a factor in not wanting to get this right away.
Years ago I agreed to chemotherapy and almost died from it.
However, I was unprepared and when I went for the second round and actively tried to contact the entity called chemo, it responded and the infusion went remarkably better....
it sparked a wave of creativity and spiritual bliss. However I did not manage to get thru till the end of all the chemos that were scheduled, I had a severe allergic reaction from another different infusion and then decided it was time to stop it all for good.
I don't regret the experience though. It had to be done and I had to experience it at the time.
There are things that can be done, sure. I read something the other day a spiritual healer said about connecting with the quantum field and focusing on healing there so that the jabs will not cause harm. You can take certain supplements. As I said The has posted good stuff. You will find what resonates.
I don't believe the vaccines cause soul loss either.
If there is no way around those jabs I intend to go into it fully conscious of everything and see it as an experiment.
What will happen will happen.
I trust my intuition and gut that I will know if and when it is time ....

[Relax]

@ Relax:

I really don't want to stir up conflict or argue. There is fear-mongering on both sides of this issue as far as I can tell. I'm not on a side, except for the side of the sovereignty of my own body. Everything is too unclear.

I just don't see the reason to be sarcastic to the extent you were. I would ask you who or what that helps.

As for Americans and how they are viewed in the world, I am aware. I have had many friends from other cultures and I have traveled a lot. I am also part Iroquoise (paternal grandfather), and I don't know how much that contributes to my thinking, but I resonate with a culture that sees the world in a different context than the average person (a context that acknowledges all life forms including the planet). Maybe that is why I trust natural sources of healing over pharmaceuticals and synthetic, patented substances. That is not to say I don't respect and want scientific exploration and advancement. I just don't think—and this is my opinion only—that the average consciousness of humanity is in sync with the most compassionate and wise use of our technology.

@Diana

It's because I don't want to argue that I expressed myself with silliness/humour, getting to vent about some viewpoints that I find frankly medieval in their superstitious/paranoid tone. So for me - my joking is no more extreme than the content expressed in many of the links and (as Aion pointed out) the reply sections are really OTT alarming in ideology/content. Also - my joking is based on parodying the very ideas being presented - it's not like I've exaggerated!

It's my way of responding. Who or what it helps is, as I said - myself - in lieu of compiling an exhausting thesis of rebuttal, and in helping many other members who are simply overwhelmed and sick of such one sided bizarre 'info' - and possibly - people who are subject to the influence of fear - and might avoid vaccination then contract Covid and die - because that is a risk of allowing anti-vaccine 'advice' on B4. IMO neither pro nor anti vaccine advocacy should be allowed on B4 - it's too risky.

I didn't see myself as sarcastic - but as 'poking fun'... probably amounts to the same tho I guess...
Why do I have to treat ideas that (to me and so many people) are quite crazy - with any normal deferential. serious response?

I've learnt there can be risks using 'natural sources', reactions can often be stronger, unexpected and aren't automatically benign - from decades of using alternative medicine, its usually more energetically 'harmonious' and safer - but I've also studied physics, biology, chemistry and allopathic medicine - and imo some of it has it's place.

I manage nearly all my health with alternative medicine except for 2 items. Diet is also very significant for health.

I do know 'Big Pharma' exists and am suspicious of the obsessive profit motive of capitalism being the cause of worldwide money making agendas that are highly suspect and cause humans to breach their integrity 24/7.

This is a difficult time to be navigating through  
I think your instincts are correct in many ways.
NB: I relate to Spock a great deal - he was my favourite growing up - and I love 'logic'... that's why a lot of these Covid threads are frustratingly fear mongering and illogical to me.

However, I'm also very playful and clairvoyant... so I'm probably a Vulcan/Betazoid hybrid
(I go with logic and my gut/higher self on everything)

[Diana]

It's because I don't want to argue that I expressed myself with silliness/humour, getting to vent about some viewpoints that I find frankly medieval in their superstitious/paranoid tone. ...
I didn't see myself as sarcastic - but as 'poking fun'... probably amounts to the same tho I guess...

Thank you for clarifying your intent.

It is an issue how our intent comes across in written words with no in-person cues. I myself have worked hard on being clear and still I fail up all the time.

Why do I have to treat ideas that (to me and so many people) are quite crazy - with any normal deferential. serious response?

My answer to that would be that everyone is entitled to their opinion and how can anyone claim the only one right way to view things?

I don't want to argue the merits of either side of this issue as I am not on a side as I said, and I can understand that from certain points of view a "conspiracy" perspective can appear crazy. But this can be a very narrow view. And there is so much confusion here in this density, I think a lot of latitude might be given people in order to stretch their perceptions and include thinking that goes beyond official narratives. One of the problems with this thread I see is that I don't think "conspiracy" ideas are negating empirical science—the issue isn't science but agendas that go beyond or may control it.

The least we can do is be respectful, in my opinion, especially with the understanding that in a complicated situation there may be more than one way to approach or view it. Nonviolent communication comes to mind. 

[Dtris]

Well, there is admittedly also a health side to it for me as well. Although I'm not that old I have been having health issues the past number of years, and more of a factor, is that I have had remarkably bad 'luck' when it comes to medical procedures. As someone with a seeming unfortunate knack for getting the uncommon side effects there is a bit of apprehension there. I have contemplated that this might be related to my own lack of trust in the medical procedures, of course.

Ra advises Carla and co. that certain medical modalities will be more effective than others for her based on her own trust and beliefs iirc. I would not be surprised if many of the people who generally have negative reactions to medicines are distrustful. I am personally after watching my family members be strung along and strung out by doctors and companies more interested in profits than healing.

Whereas my parents and grandparents grew up when medicine was still working miracles. Allopathic medicine has been stonewalled by chronic disease for the last 60 years now, whether that is because of profit motives or an ineffective paradigm who knows. I just know that ever since Olestra came out and caused leakage, I never trusted any additive or medicine.

[Dtris]

@Diana

It's because I don't want to argue that I expressed myself with silliness/humour, getting to vent about some viewpoints that I find frankly medieval in their superstitious/paranoid tone. So for me - my joking is no more extreme than the content expressed in many of the links and (as Aion pointed out) the reply sections are really OTT alarming in ideology/content. Also - my joking is based on parodying the very ideas being presented - it's not like I've exaggerated!

It's my way of responding. Who or what it helps is, as I said - myself - in lieu of compiling an exhausting thesis of rebuttal, and in helping many other members who are simply overwhelmed and sick of such one sided bizarre 'info' - and possibly - people who are subject to the influence of fear - and might avoid vaccination then contract Covid and die - because that is a risk of allowing anti-vaccine 'advice' on B4. IMO neither pro nor anti vaccine advocacy should be allowed on B4 - it's too risky.

I didn't see myself as sarcastic - but as 'poking fun'... probably amounts to the same tho I guess...
Why do I have to treat ideas that (to me and so many people) are quite crazy - with any normal deferential. serious response?

I've learnt there can be risks using 'natural sources', reactions can often be stronger, unexpected and aren't automatically benign - from decades of using alternative medicine, its usually more energetically 'harmonious' and safer - but I've also studied physics, biology, chemistry and allopathic medicine - and imo some of it has it's place.

I manage nearly all my health with alternative medicine except for 2 items. Diet is also very significant for health.

I do know 'Big Pharma' exists and am suspicious of the obsessive profit motive of capitalism being the cause of worldwide money making agendas that are highly suspect and cause humans to breach their integrity 24/7.

This is a difficult time to be navigating through  
I think your instincts are correct in many ways.
NB: I relate to Spock a great deal - he was my favourite growing up - and I love 'logic'... that's why a lot of these Covid threads are frustratingly fear mongering and illogical to me.

However, I'm also very playful and clairvoyant... so I'm probably a Vulcan/Betazoid hybrid
(I go with logic and my gut/higher self on everything)  

Just so you know I quite enjoyed the humor. I found it refreshing and I personally think joking about the serious topics helps us all cope with the situations.

I also want to say, that there is no more risk in people on the forum discussing and sharing their opinions on the vaccine here than there is doing so with your friends in person. Everyone ultimately makes their own mind up what they believe, the more people share, the better. That way all the info on both sides gets out and people can make informed choices.

[Kalle]

[Moderator note: The thread 'I regret getting my first vaccine' was merged into this one.]

Definitely going to dive into 'tin foil hat' territory here. This is just my opinion but something just does not feel right about this whole deal.

I think that the reaction to covid has been completely blown out of proportion. This is a global scale attack orchestrated by STS entities, I believe the virus exists but this is I believe it exists but this is them not letting a crisis go to waste. They are in control of everything to make it seem worse than it is, able to censor whistleblowers and keep people compliant by telling them this is a giant threat to life as we know it. Lockdowns crashing economies to force people into relying on government to sustain them. Education and social interaction of the young disrupted. Quarantines, masks and social distancing to isolate us from being with each other - we are a loving social species. Vaccines rushed through without full trials to 'fight back' against this virus, lots of people having adverse effects to it and these numbers can be manipulated. I know of 3 people personally who have had adverse reactions, one had a stroke and heart inflammation (myocarditis), another had a heart attack and the last a stroke as well.

I thought I was doing the right thing getting my vaccine, doing my bit to try and get us back on track. People are still getting covid after double jabs so it makes me wonder, what is it we're being injected with? Why are vaccine passports being discussed if it doesn't work? Is it so they can force you to take it or face being ostracized for going against the herd? Oh no, a 'deadly' new variant is on the rise?! best we all get back indoors, book ourselves in to get the latest unknown unproven vaccine and rely on TV and media to tell us how terrible things are going.

Another thing is contactless payment, getting us used to never seeing cash, once it is all digital it's easier to control. Cyber attacks are likely a future play to control us even more. I thought I was over my conspiracy theory phase but the alarm bells are becoming difficult to ignore.

I'm not looking to spread fear or panic with this post, merely raise a few questions and say it how I see it, I think it is my duty to say something.

Much love

(ps I am moving tomorrow and won't have internet access for a while which spurred me on to post this, I may not be able to reply for a while)

[ada]

I am sorry for your close ones suffering Kalle.  :-/

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I think that you aren't entirely wrong, perhaps it being handled poorly, and the vaccine stop or not being as efficient as was thought.

However I feel that I must point out in a bird's eye view that regardless of what were the global scale catalyst, covid or some other.. The same concerns and doubts would eventually rise from people, that of government/control etc. And that's because it's true, some or most governments are already like that, so the concern is real.

But the amount of credit that is being put to them for this whole "scheme", is way too much. It just so happened to somewhat play into their hands, but not so that it was planned and controlled and now we're zombies or something.

So in short, it doesn't matter what were to happen, the reaction would be the same, covid-19, trump, 2012 etc.

This in my opinion is the result of increased global conscious awareness, awakening, if you will.

I hope this all comes to pass and we all once again find peace.

[tadeus]

I agree - but there are already two big threads about this:

* Are you going to take the vaccine
* A Comprehensive Analysis of the Covid-19 Crisis

[unity100]

Father in law, mother in law got Pfizer/Biontech. Minor side effects both from first shot. Second one put Father in law into hospital. Mother in law is fine.

Sister in law got Moderna. Minor side effects, discomfort. Otherwise fine.

Aunt and a lot of old people around her got 2 dosis of Sinovac, no issues whatsoever. She got Pfizer/Biontech as 3rd dose, she had to go to hospital from considerable side effects.

A friend from way back got 2 dosis of Pfizer/Biontech. Doesnt have any issues 1 month after 2nd dosis.

[Relax]

I had my first Pfizer 2.5 days ago and have been resting, eating, relaxing giving myself Reiki, and a bit of extra sleeping...

I meditated before hand, and was assisted by several Archangels throughout - I felt a wave of peacefulness during and after the vaccination and a sense of community and positivity that I haven't felt for a long while

had a slight tenderness of area of upper arm, no other reactions,

I could 'hear'/ and feel that my body was 'meeting' the spike protein template and having a a learning experience.
The interaction/s (clair-sentiently) felt 'elegant', 'calm', 'organised', 'sensible' and my body now feels wise and 'prepared'.

... I had a big appetite afterwards and then slept from 5-7pm - (the booking was at 12:30pm... ) then another big appetite when I awoke.

feel very glad

(nb: I'm able to hold the knowledge that 'big pharma' IS a thing - and that scientific research also involves altruism from millions of scientists, doctors, health care workers...)

past 2 days have eaten extra oranges, extra garlic, and making sure to drink lots of water....overall I feel very contented - will have the booster in 5 weeks

and btw: it was free of charge - AUS government pays

also btw:

As a child/teen I had :

Varicella vaccine
Smallpox vaccine
Diphtheria vaccine
Pertussis vaccine
Oral polio vaccine
Measles vaccine
Rubella vaccine
Mumps vaccine
Tetanus antitoxin

And as an adult and/or for travel to India in 1997 I had:

Hepatitis A vaccine
Adult diphtheria and tetanus vaccine
Hepatitis B vaccine
Influenza vaccine
Yellow fever vaccine
Meningococcal vaccine
Rabies vaccine
Japanese encephalitis vaccine
Varicella vaccine
Tetanus antitoxin

and as my father had both his Pfizer vaccinations in February at 98yrs old with no issues - I felt even more safe (than normal) to do it.

The reason I've been so unhappy about this thread is because this is a potentially lethal disease -yet people posting anti-vax ignore articles/links about anti vax advocates who catch covid and die

this thread is IGNORING those links and that's not balanced. PEOPLE DIE FROM THIS VIRUS.

Because vaccinations are something I've benefited from since childhood I just can't understand fearing the vaccine more than the disease  :exclamation:  - that's completely ILLOGICAL.

[Nikki]

Sharing this information in love for all brothers and sisters. We are trying to set a meditation group with all members hoping to serve all in this forum and all life on earth and beyond. It is a difficult time for many of us and the more love we give and receive, the more the healing and understanding. The first meditation will be about control and covid and the teaching will be of Quo. It is all love for all, no one is better than another, no matter their choices.

Join us as one it would give such joy to all. It is located in the Meet-up Area

https://www.bring4th.org/forums/showthre...#pid303714

[the]

Thanks a lot for sharing that info about Suramin, the!
I will tell a woman who works at my local herbalist pharmacy.
They made some homeopathic remedy against the vaccines but she herself admitted they only came up with not much more than Thuja and Silica -  and since this is an entirely new generation of vaccines I also felt we needed some different approach.
And they mention Suramin is supposedly helping with autism disorders. Didn't they talk about autism in connection with vaccines some time ago?
very interesting and helpful, thank you again!

np Margan. glad this helps. and thank you Patrick for asking me that question, so I can post the answer here.

What I got is just that one minutes video. the video says full video soon be posted in academyofDK.com, so hopefully more info will come up.

about senior people don't have much side effect, i'm not sure if that's related with different types of C19 vaccines.

Because Ontario gave out half million AZ vaccine at the beginning, then start to give pfizer vaccine. and those senior people are the first round, so they got AZ vaccine, and most younger people get pfizer vaccine.

but i don't know the answer. i think once all the data are showing to the public, maybe there's a better explaination.

another supplemental/medicine might be able to mitigate C19 vaccine impact is NAC.  I don't know if it's working or all, all I can say this is a very old supplemental , it been in market for half an century, and this year suddenly FDA banned it.
https://www.bring4th.org/forums/showthre...#pid303792

I posted a video explaining how it mitigate C19 vaccine impact, but was removed by admin, saying that's commercial, so if you or anyone want to watch that video, please message me, I will send that over to you directly.

[Infinite]

I took the first dose of Pfizer vaccine on Wednesday. No side effects other than arm pain.

[confusedseeker]

Thanks a lot for sharing that info about Suramin, the!
I will tell a woman who works at my local herbalist pharmacy.
They made some homeopathic remedy against the vaccines but she herself admitted they only came up with not much more than Thuja and Silica -  and since this is an entirely new generation of vaccines I also felt we needed some different approach.
And they mention Suramin is supposedly helping with autism disorders. Didn't they talk about autism in connection with vaccines some time ago?
very interesting and helpful, thank you again!

np Margan. glad this helps. and thank you Patrick for asking me that question, so I can post the answer here.

What I got is just that one minutes video. the video says full video soon be posted in academyofDK.com, so hopefully more info will come up.

about senior people don't have much side effect, i'm not sure if that's related with different types of C19 vaccines.

Because Ontario gave out half million AZ vaccine at the beginning, then start to give pfizer vaccine. and those senior people are the first round, so they got AZ vaccine, and most younger people get pfizer vaccine.

but i don't know the answer. i think once all the data are showing to the public, maybe there's a better explaination.

another supplemental/medicine might be able to mitigate C19 vaccine impact is NAC.  I don't know if it's working or all, all I can say this is a very old supplemental , it been in market for half an century, and this year suddenly FDA banned it.
https://www.bring4th.org/forums/showthre...#pid303792

I posted a video explaining how it mitigate C19 vaccine impact, but was removed by admin, saying that's commercial, so if you or anyone want to watch that video, please message me, I will send that over to you directly.

Yup, I was able to get some NAC as well. Apparently it works great for brain fog from Covid.

[the]

one person's vaccine side effects, with picture
https://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=102...6676572779