The Healthiest Children In The Future Will Be Unvaccinated

[zenmaster]

The webpage article is entitled "Medical Studies That Show Vaccines Can Cause Autism". Mercury is a well-known neurotoxin which can affect brain development. The question is rather has sufficient evidence been provided to establish a link between vaccines and autism. That is the contention. Not whether or not there have been studies conducted and that there are tentative suggestions that such a link can not be ruled out.

[xise]

Also, more food for thought: some courts cases - of course, in US civil court, the standard of proof is "the preponderance of the evidence", or in other words there is more than a 50% chance the plaintiff's version of events (including causation) is true. Which is far lower than the scientific standards governing proof. Also, it looks like the US case settled with a government concession rather than going to trial.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/vaccine-case...precedent/

http://thedailypr.com/courts-quietly-con...es-autism/

[zenmaster]

For your second link xise, the MMR vaccine does not contain Thimerosal and never did. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MMR_vaccine_controversy

So if there is a link between vaccines and autism, there must necessarily be completely different claimed mechanisms.

[xise]

For your second link xise, the MMR vaccine does not contain Thimerosal and never did. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MMR_vaccine_controversy

So if there is a link between vaccines and autism, there must necessarily be completely different claimed mechanisms.

I think this is exactly what's going on. There are mechanisms we haven't discovered yet.

But I for one think correlation is very important. If two things are highly correlated, and we can't figure out what the actual causal factor is, I'd fallback on relying on the correlation to make my decision about things. And also equally importantly, I for one think the whole vaccination thing is more about personal choice of the family, regardless of the reason (whether health, safety, religious, or whimsical).

[zenmaster]

For your second link xise, the MMR vaccine does not contain Thimerosal and never did. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MMR_vaccine_controversy

So if there is a link between vaccines and autism, there must necessarily be completely different claimed mechanisms.

I think this is exactly what's going on. There are mechanisms we haven't discovered yet.

But I for one think correlation is very important. If two things are highly correlated, and we can't figure out what the actual causal factor is, I'd fallback on relying on the correlation to make my decision about things. And also equally importantly, I for one think the whole vaccination thing is more about personal choice of the family, regardless of the reason (whether health, safety, religious, or whimsical).

Yes, except for the current understanding of how disease spreads requires compliance. Are we worse off or better off if someone's child spreads an entirely preventable disease to another person? That has happened in a widespread manner of course.

Also the spreading of fraud is not a very beneficial practice.

[xise]

Also the spreading of fraud is not a very beneficial practice.

You lost me on this one?

I think the set of links show there appears to be some meat to the debate, both in the study area and in the court arena. I'm definitely not endorsing everything said in the links (hence the "food for thought" comments) as they are random internet pages after all.

But if the pages are completely (or even mostly) fraudulent, then it would be fair to say that they fooled me.

[Realtime]

One does not need such toxins as mercury in order to prevent disease propagation.

[reeay]

Firstly, you need to have 'genetic predisposition'. Autism Spectrum Disorder has a HUGE genetic component. Up to 90% heritability for monozygotic twins (extremely high). The phenotype of the disease (how disease is expressed) depends on the types of environmental elements mother/child/fetus has been exposed to, along with other factors.

The cause of Autism is a very complex interaction between genetics, environmental factors, maternal health before/during pregnancy, and ingestion of toxins. Think about how sensitive a child’s development is when it is a fetus AND in the critical 2-3 years of his/her life. Exposure to environmental toxins will definitely alter brain development.

Examples of factors that may influence onset of disorder: 1) ingestion of pesticides by mother/child; 2) pharmaceuticals (and illegal drugs) mother took before/around pregnancy time; 3) age of parents, and
4) irregular brain development of child.

Mercury is just one toxin - pesticides, drugs taken by mother during/before pregnancy, air pollution, and other heavy metals (aluminum and lead). It's in our food, our water, in dental fillings, in our medicines, in the air...

I read somewhere that the symptoms of Acrodynia are similar to Autism, if not identical. Researchers found that children in the early 20th century had this illness & may have been an epidemic due to mercury in medication for children, e.g., teething medicines.

Their descendants had:
1) A higher rate of genetic predisposition for autism. The rate of genetic predisposition in this study was 1 in 25, while autism rate is about 1 in 80-200 in general population depending on country.

2) High sensitivity to mercury. And so, it might not be mercury in vaccines that started this (bc we need genetic predisposition) but illnesses that occurred much earlier in history.

It's worthwhile to check if child has sensitivity to metals (e.g., mercury) and do genetic testing... get historical information about illnesses in the family, etc. It's really this fanatical green meme thing that blew vaccines out of proportion. Altho, there are so many vaccines that kids take these days - over-vaccination is a problem.

[zenmaster]

Neurodevelopmental disabilities, including autism, attention-deficit hyperactivity disorder, dyslexia, and other cognitive impairments, affect millions of children worldwide, and some diagnoses seem to be increasing in frequency. Industrial chemicals that injure the developing brain are among the known causes for this rise in prevalence. In 2006, we did a systematic review and identified five industrial chemicals as developmental neurotoxicants: lead, methylmercury, polychlorinated biphenyls, arsenic, and toluene. Since 2006, epidemiological studies have documented six additional developmental neurotoxicants—manganese, fluoride, chlorpyrifos, dichlorodiphenyltrichloroethane, tetrachloroethylene, and the polybrominated diphenyl ethers. We postulate that even more neurotoxicants remain undiscovered. To control the pandemic of developmental neurotoxicity, we propose a global prevention strategy. Untested chemicals should not be presumed to be safe to brain development, and chemicals in existing use and all new chemicals must therefore be tested for developmental neurotoxicity. To coordinate these efforts and to accelerate translation of science into prevention, we propose the urgent formation of a new international clearinghouse.

http://www.thelancet.com/journals/laneur...3/fulltext
(free registration to read full article, which is quite readable)

A critique of the above article:
http://blog.americanchemistry.com/2014/0...-alarmism/

[reeay]

Vaccines Don't Cause Autism


New study came out recently that showed that the neurological symptoms of autism already begin to form during gestation (pregnancy). If there were environmental toxins present before and after birth that could create physical damage, those toxins would contribute to how the autism symptoms are expressed (e.g., how severe the symptoms are or the types of symptoms) but not to the actual development (cause) of autism.

[Horuseus]

Some thoughts by Seth on this:

…pain and suffering are also obviously vital, living sensations – and therefore are a part of the body’s repertoire of possible feelings and sensual experience. They are also a sign, therefore, of life’s vitality, and are in themselves often responsible for a return to health when they act as learning communications.

Many diseases are often health-promoting processes. Chicken pox, measles and other like diseases in childhood in their own way ‘naturally inoculate’ the body, so that it is able to handle other elements that are a part of the body and the body’s environment.

When civilised children are medically inoculated against such diseases … to an important extent the natural protective processes are impeded. Such children may not come down with the disease against which they are medically protected, then – but they may indeed therefore become ‘prey’ to other diseases later in life that would not otherwise have occurred.

I am not advising people to refuse to have their children vaccinated, since you now have to take vaccination into consideration because of its prominence in society. It is very possible however, that science itself will in time discover the unfortunate side effects of many such procedures, and begin to reevaluate the entire subject.

[reeay]

And when people with measles and chicken pox pass it onto those who are pregnant, have weaker immune system, and/or elderly you can maybe affect their health & the health of unborn babies. Re: people will become 'prey' to other diseases (as Seth says) is over-use of antibiotics, not vaccines against communicable and preventable diseases.

[Parsons]

I am on the fence about certain 'major' vaccinations such as smallpox, but when it comes to getting flu shots, I am of the strong opinion that would be bad for my health. I believe in exercising my immune system like I would a muscle. I extremely rarely use hand sanitizer for that reason. I got sick one single time in the last two years and very rarely get sick in general.

[isis]

I am on the fence about certain 'major' vaccinations such as smallpox, but when it comes to getting flu shots, I am of the strong opinion that would be bad for my health. I believe in exercising my immune system like I would a muscle. I extremely rarely use hand sanitizer for that reason. I got sick one single time in the last two years and very rarely get sick in general.

i was just discussing flu shots w/ karl in a private message today. he has to get 1 every year & he says they suck (& he says he just recently had what he thinks was the flu)

i haven't been sick in about 4yrs now & i've never gotten a flu shot

[AnthroHeart]

Yesterday and last night I felt achy all over. I don't think it was the flu, because I feel better now, though I am sleepy.

[Horuseus]

Re: people will become 'prey' to other diseases (as Seth says) is over-use of antibiotics, not vaccines against communicable and preventable diseases.

Well the way I interpret Seths' comments there are along the lines of what Parson stated, though the use of antibiotics sure plays a role. That being, many vaccinations serve to simply 'baby' the immune system, rather than allow the natural processes of 'disease' and healing to occur (Both dual aspects being integral to health). It should be 'broken in' so to speak, and as Seth hinted at, there are clearly mechanisms we're not understanding here either regarding immune system pathology and manually tampering with the process in relation to future contact.

That being said, not against vaccinations against major prevalent issues in society, though you'd think there would be safeguards in place by the HS for an incarnation in the case of a premature exit potential/probability. Personally speaking the whole ethos that major pharma seem to be involved with in treating symptoms rather than addressing the underlying issues is bullshit. Focus should be made on good diet, strengthening the immune system with quality organic nutrition, and addressing the psychological imbalances which eventually manifest as disease. More studies on healthy people rather than the sick would also be a way forward as there seems to be a disproportionate focus on the latter.

Edit: Slightly unrelated, but in my own dialogues I'm told the various diseases we have now in society are the manifestations of imbalances of the collective human psyche playing out. Other societies such as those in the Atlantean period had no need for such a 'Catalyst'.

[reeay]

Seth specifically named chickenpox and measles. Chickenpox is common and no biggie... Measles is another story.

[Monica]

Mercury is just one toxin - pesticides, drugs taken by mother during/before pregnancy, air pollution, and other heavy metals (aluminum and lead). It's in our food, our water, in dental fillings, in our medicines, in the air...

True. But that's not the same as having them directly injected into the bloodstream, along with a preservative which keeps the body from eliminating said toxins.

[BrownEye]

Many diseases are often health-promoting processes. Chicken pox, measles and other like diseases in childhood in their own way ‘naturally inoculate’ the body, so that it is able to handle other elements that are a part of the body and the body’s environment.

When civilized children are medically inoculated against such diseases … to an important extent the natural protective processes are impeded. Such children may not come down with the disease against which they are medically protected, then – but they may indeed therefore become ‘prey’ to other diseases later in life that would not otherwise have occurred.

This is a glaringly obvious no-brainer. The fight against nature is one large aspect of the imbalance of civilization.

I am not advising people to refuse to have their children vaccinated, since you now have to take vaccination into consideration because of its prominence in society. It is very possible however, that science itself will in time discover the unfortunate side effects of many such procedures, and begin to reevaluate the entire subject.

Taking into consideration the blending in with a conditioned society.

We should begin to see some of the new untreatable variants within the year. What this means is that nature is creating its own natural methods of cleansing impurities. Might be pretty nasty for those with unnatural "medically designed" immune systems.

[xise]

Even if vaccines are safe, maybe it's important to not blindly trust vaccination programs:

http://www.democracynow.org/2014/5/12/di...on_program

"Until recently, polio had been nearly eradicated, thanks to a 25-year campaign that vaccinated billions of children. In Pakistan, the increase in polio is being linked to a secret CIA ploy used in the hunt for Osama bin Laden. With the help of a Pakistani doctor, the CIA set up a fake vaccination campaign in the city of Abbottabad in an effort to get DNA from the bin Laden family. The Taliban subsequently announced a ban on immunization efforts and launched a string of deadly attacks on medical workers."

Based on my experience with crime and criminals, I've found that that what doesn't come to light is usually worse than what does come to light...there could well some f'ed stuff going on in some of these other programs as well - crazy stuff within the past half-century is not unheard of: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuskegee_sy...experiment

So many issues in trusting societal institutions. Ah well. C'est la vie.

[BrownEye]

Dolores: Why is she being allowed to know these things now ?

Because it is time to waken up and educate. What we are facing now on the physical Earth is a battle, but it is not a battle as others would perceive. It does not have to do with battle in physical form. Even though battles are fought, the battles that are going on now are about the dark with the light. And the light will need to come together to be spread so that these who are controlling can be stopped.
As far as my kind, there are just a few, but there are also many different kinds who are here to assist in the same way.

Dolores: The ones from this persons generation seem to have more difficulty adjusting than the new ones coming in now.

That is because the ones that are coming in now have more awareness of who they truly are. The children need to be nurtured. They are more advanced than most humans who are here now. The little children need to be taught how to work with energies also, for they will assist in this transformation. The more people that are awakened, the stronger the energy will become.

Dolores: But the problem is that teachers and doctors are putting these children on medications.

It's up to the parentsto take a stand and say no. That's where the awareness of who these children are comes into play.
Any medication that is being used is not the natural way of being. And be aware that many more medications will be tried to numb the mind and to make the physical body ill. That would be a way of eliminating many. Not only the children, but the adults. That is the reality of those who try control and manipulate.
Many people are very ignorant of what is going on, but that is not their fault, for that is where they are being kept with what they are told. There is more that is going on that is not obvious.

Dolores: But they use fear to make people agree to have medication and vaccinations.

That is correct, and the vaccinations are going to be used to try to stop many. People need to remember that where there is fear, there is control by outside forces.
Be aware of what you're doing to yourself. Look for other avenues before just going and getting medication. There will be times when the medication will be needed to assist the physical body, but once you do some research, unless it is e life lesson that was chosen deliberately, anything else can be worked on. What is really needed is to allow the physical body to heal itself.

Dolores: But how do we keep the government from giving us vaccinations we dont need ?

It's a matter of taking a stand. If a stand is not taken, then the government will continue to do what it is doing now. There comes a time when choices have to be made. And if you remember this is a spiritual war, then what is there to fear ? http://forum.fok.nl/topic/1290330/2/50