Sugar Makes You Dumb

[Oceania]

drug lingo?

[Gribbons]

I read it's actually high fructose corn syrup that makes you dumb = rewires or kills brain synapses.

So when you say, say, drink less soda, it makes you dumb. It's not sugar-based here in the states, it's HFCS.

I'm just saying, pure cane sugar is natural, whereas HFCS is not. I'm a bit skeptical that something natural can make you dumber. Yes, perhaps in high quantities over long periods of time, just like marijuana.

But I've also read a MSM source that pretty much justifies some people's desire to eat an excessive amount of salty products..as being healthy.

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And artificial sweeteners are terrible for you! (cancer-related argument)

[Oceania]

yeah i have heard that it's corn syrup. corn syrup is worse than sugar.

[Patrick]

I read it's actually high fructose corn syrup that makes you dumb = rewires or kills brain synapses.

So when you say, say, drink less soda, it makes you dumb. It's not sugar-based here in the states, it's HFCS.

I'm just saying, pure cane sugar is natural, whereas HFCS is not. I'm a bit skeptical that something natural can make you dumber. Yes, perhaps in high quantities over long periods of time, just like marijuana.

But I've also read a MSM source that pretty much justifies some people's desire to eat an excessive amount of salty products..as being healthy.

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And artificial sweeteners are terrible for you! (cancer-related argument)

It's simply because the fructose in HFCS is loose. In sucrose (cane sugar, table sugar), the fructose is linked with glucose. So your intestines has to break that bond with an enzyme before it is absorbed. This slows the absorption down and gives time to your liver to deal with fructose. The fructose from HFCS is absorbed right away and en masse, more easily overloading the capacity of the liver to deal with the fructose.

But ultimately, it's the quantity of fructose per day that is to be looked at. From 30g and up of fructose per day, you start having issues.

You won't reach this pseudo limit easily by eating fruits, but you might by drinking fruit juice.

[TheFifty9Sound]

Now it would seem to me that the ideal way to address this situation is to develop people, rather than to control and manipulate them. But how to do this when people, by and large, don't want to be developed?

Thoughts?

I think we need to start teaching children to appreciate the quest for knowledge. That's why we're all here right, on this forum right now? We all enjoy seeking. I think a larger portion of study in schools needs to be spent on developing lateral and critical thinking, hand in hand with imagination and intuition, and children need to be rewarded for the effort they have put into finding answers, even more so than finding the "correct" answers.

Nothing destroys a child's desire to learn more so than being told they're wrong.

[Oceania]

we don't even need to teach, just step out of the way.

[Monica]

I'm just saying, pure cane sugar is natural, whereas HFCS is not.

Can you define pure cane sugar? I assume you mean eating it directly from the sugarcane plant, right? You don't mean that white crystalline stuff that's had all the nutrients removed and is highly refined, right?

[Patrick]

I think we need to start teaching children to appreciate the quest for knowledge. That's why we're all here right, on this forum right now? We all enjoy seeking. I think a larger portion of study in schools needs to be spent on developing lateral and critical thinking, hand in hand with imagination and intuition, and children need to be rewarded for the effort they have put into finding answers, even more so than finding the "correct" answers.

Nothing destroys a child's desire to learn more so than being told they're wrong.

Very insightful !

[Sagittarius]

to me they're more like numb and don't know what joy is.

I tried "weed" when I was 18. I remember the first realization that hit me was "why" everyone liked it so much. It makes you so dumb and numb that worries and stress no longer matter. This may be why it is the most popular drug.

I also do not agree with consensus that "short circuiting synapses" is any type of spiritual understanding or gain.

Or maybe you just do not know their joy and they do not know yours. Hm?

Oh you mean they get more out of life.

Dumb and numb? You must have gotten from a bad dealer.

It's all just comon sense. Pretty easy to feel your body and how what you eat effects it. Nothing wrong with eating sugar but eat to much and obviously the consequences will be seen.

Same goes with everything pretty much, balance etc.

[Tenet Nosce]

It's simply because the fructose in HFCS is loose. In sucrose (cane sugar, table sugar), the fructose is linked with glucose. So your intestines has to break that bond with an enzyme before it is absorbed. This slows the absorption down and gives time to your liver to deal with fructose. The fructose from HFCS is absorbed right away and en masse, more easily overloading the capacity of the liver to deal with the fructose.

Precisely. Beyond this, fructose bypasses the chemical control mechanisms which regulate the entry of sugar into the cell. This is why high fructose consumption leads directly to increased triglycerides (fat).

But ultimately, it's the quantity of fructose per day that is to be looked at. From 30g and up of fructose per day, you start having issues.

In addition, it matters how much is consumed at once. For example, three loads of 10g is different from one load of 30g.

You won't reach this pseudo limit easily by eating fruits, but you might by drinking fruit juice.

At 15g of fructose per serving (1 cup or 1 medium-sized fruit) it isn't really that difficult. And with all the diet "gurus" out there encouraging people to pound vast amounts of fruit, that makes it even easier!

[Diana]

Nothing destroys a child's desire to learn more so than being told they're wrong.

I would add, right. Kids are not taught to think. They are taught to respond to authority within the parameters set up by authority. They read a question in school, and their is a right or wrong answer, which may not even be a true reflection of reality.

I know a PhD in particle physics. I asked her what she was going to do after she received her doctorate. She said she wanted to be a science liaison to schools and universities, to update them on the current thinking in science. She told me even at the university level they were consistently teaching outdated material. Add to that that most science is really theory. So, right vs. wrong is not a sensible way to view things.

But that is what kids are taught, and as adults it plays right into our egos and the human resistance to change.

[Tenet Nosce]

I would add, right. Kids are not taught to think.

One way I have phrased that is... kids are taught what to think, not how to think.

So, right vs. wrong is not a sensible way to view things.

It's interesting, and disturbing, to see how this type of thinking infiltrates every aspect of our lives! I think part of it stems from the patronizing attitude toward children: "Oh, they're just kids. We can't expect them to..." oh I dunno, eat a vegetable? But even more than this children are certainly capable of complex thought beyond simple "right or wrong". They understand human emotion (they are, after all, human!) and are endowed with all kinds of creativity which, frankly, is lacking in most adults.

And, kids are resilient because they are flexible. They can take a lot of stress, and actually require it in order to thrive. Obviously, a traumatic level of stress is not a good idea, but for the most part, it is adults who are inflexible and brittle. And rather than accept it within themselves, most would rather project it out onto their children, those "poor, helpless, little children" who need to be coddled like codgers at every opportunity. Children may be little, but they are neither poor nor helpless.

But that is what kids are taught, and as adults it plays right into our egos and the human resistance to change.

It didn't used to be like that. Even growing up in the eighties and nineties there were a lot of changes I noticed going on with the educational system. It used to be- one could graduate high school without having to develop their cognitive skills. But forget college. Nowadays we've got Dr. So-and-so's all over the place who really haven't ever grown beyond an adolescent level of reasoning ability.

Then, to top it off, we have these Dr. So-and-so's dictating our children's curriculum, if not teaching it themselves. And now that we are going on the second generation since these changes, the majority of people don't even see anything wrong with this. (Wrong being relative to the intention to develop and empower people.) In fact, as you alluded, many will actively seek to interfere with any sort of improvements.

A corollary to this is the attitude that "Everybody is a winner!" and pandering to the lowest common denominator so nobody's "feelings get hurt." I might catch some slack for this, but I feel like that is as every bit a fake form of "compassion", just like the fake form of "love" that our society breeds. Personally, I don't see any problem with identifying that a particular child happens to be a dolt when it comes to math, and instead seeing if they have better grasp of colors or music. Or if neither of those hand them a mechanical or electrical toolkit and send them off to a workshop of some kind.

I think it's more compassionate to tell the child that he is a dolt at math, and better to try some other avenues of learning early on. It's hardly "compassionate" to lie to children about their talents and capabilities under the aegis of "we're all the same and equal!" and to encourage, implore, or in some cases force them, to keep on a path which is essentially setting them up to miserably fail, just at that time in their lives when it is most important (from a developmental standpoint) for them to be building self-esteem and a strong sense of identity.

Instead, we decide to spend more time and energy teaching kids math at earlier and earlier ages. And then standardizing the testing and all the hullabaloo which goes along with that. And oh, by the way, we ran out of time and money, so the arts and music programs will have to be cut. Brilliant thinking, docs!

But of course- there is always sports. Sports are sacrosanct. God forbid anybody criticizes the value of a bunch of people organized into two "teams" and then fighting over some kind of object or territory in order to "score points" while onlookers from each side pump emotional energy into the players, and becoming more and more fanatical and personally invested in the outcome. Gee, I wonder why they didn't cut the sports out?

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This is kind of a tangent, but I think relevant. Most people- especially Americans- would be surprised to learn that much of this behavior is based on a presupposition of tabula rasa- the idea that every soul is created anew at conception, and thus is essentially a "blank slate" upon which it is the duty of adults in society to write upon.

Surprising perhaps, because this idea was brought to the mass consciousness by a Muslim philosopher named Avicenna. I wonder how many Americans would be shocked and appalled to learn that their most sacred "American values" have their roots in Islam, not Christianity.

[TheFifty9Sound]

Surprising perhaps, because this idea was brought to the mass consciousness by a Muslim philosopher named Avicenna. I wonder how many Americans would be shocked and appalled to learn that their most sacred "American values" have their roots in Islam, not Christianity.

Ha!

[Diana]

One way I have phrased that is... kids are taught what to think, not how to think.

Yes, great way to put it.

It's interesting, and disturbing, to see how this type of thinking infiltrates every aspect of our lives! I think part of it stems from the patronizing attitude toward children: "Oh, they're just kids. We can't expect them to..." oh I dunno, eat a vegetable? But even more than this children are certainly capable of complex thought beyond simple "right or wrong". They understand human emotion (they are, after all, human!) and are endowed with all kinds of creativity which, frankly, is lacking in most adults.

The creativity in part gets shut down in school, which favors left-brain learning and does not allow for creative, intuitive types. Then they are taught to memorize by rote, instead of developing fluid intelligence and critical thinking with whole-brain, open-ended learning.

Kids are survivors, as you say; they are highly skilled at it.

Then, to top it off, we have these Dr. So-and-so's dictating our children's curriculum, if not teaching it themselves. And now that we are going on the second generation since these changes, the majority of people don't even see anything wrong with this. (Wrong being relative to the intention to develop and empower people.) In fact, as you alluded, many will actively seek to interfere with any sort of improvements.

Yes, it's sad, but temporary. Common sense, survival, intelligence will rise to the top like cream.

A corollary to this is the attitude that "Everybody is a winner!" and pandering to the lowest common denominator so nobody's "feelings get hurt." I might catch some slack for this, but I feel like that is as every bit a fake form of "compassion", just like the fake form of "love" that our society breeds. Personally, I don't see any problem with identifying that a particular child happens to be a dolt when it comes to math, and instead seeing if they have better grasp of colors or music. Or if neither of those hand them a mechanical or electrical toolkit and send them off to a workshop of some kind.

I very much agree. I have a niece in the gifted program still not being challenged. Many times the school has suggested she skip a grade, and I encouraged this. But my sister did not allow it because of possible social challenges. So she just coasts . . .

The priorities are skewed. It would serve the child to help him/her reach potential, and encourage discernment. All done with love and service, of course.

This is kind of a tangent, but I think relevant. Most people- especially Americans- would be surprised to learn that much of this behavior is based on a presupposition of tabula rasa- the idea that every soul is created anew at conception, and thus is essentially a "blank slate" upon which it is the duty of adults in society to write upon.

Surprising perhaps, because this idea was brought to the mass consciousness by a Muslim philosopher named Avicenna. I wonder how many Americans would be shocked and appalled to learn that their most sacred "American values" have their roots in Islam, not Christianity.

Given that Christians must use all sorts of doublethink to stay loyal to their beliefs, they probably wouldn't accept it.

[yossarian]

You guys are constantly talking about critical thinking, science, reason.

Why aren't you atheists? Doesn't critical thinking and science lead to atheism? Where is your faith? The Law of One says that the importance of faith cannot be underestimated.

What about resonance? You guys talk like evolution from 3d to 4d is based on the person learning reason and science and subordinating their lives to the dictates of scientific elites. Isn't this incompatible with the Ra material? Doesn't Ra suggest that people follow what resonates? Ra says this is not the density of knowing, so doesn't that mean science and reason are useless?

I don't see how Diana, Tenet, etc reconcile your views in this thread with the Law of One. Especially Tenet--you talk like a standard atheist. Do you believe in The Creator? Do you believe in God? What place does God have in the classroom? What place does God have in your suggestion that the rational scientists rule over society and control the irrational sheep?

[TheFifty9Sound]

Critical thinking, science and reason leads to atheism if you think they can only be used to understand the physical portion of the universe.

I think all of us here are concerned with using these avenues to also understand the metaphysical universe, and yes, a certain amount of faith is needed to pursue those parts of life that are not tangible - Not to mention imagination and flexibility of response.

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Although as always, I can only speak for myself.

[Cyan]

I have absolute unquestioning belief in the creator. Which is sort of my problem. I've observed it so that its not the wave but the particle and while not observing returns it to the wave, my first instinct is to "check" if i'm really not observing. Ergo, bounce back. So, not sure if I have faith in god or what, but i believe that God exists with certainty, so, belief?

[yossarian]

Critical thinking, science and reason leads to atheism if you think they can only be used to understand the physical portion of the universe.

I think all of us here are concerned with using these avenues to also understand the metaphysical universe, and yes, a certain amount of faith is needed to pursue those parts of life that are not tangible - Not to mention imagination and flexibility of response.

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Although as always, I can only speak for myself.

What does resonance mean to you then? Logical resonance of some kind?

Resonance usually implies a non-logical process. Doesn't Ra believe resonance is the most important way of judging truth?

[TheFifty9Sound]

To me, resonance is a "spiritual" tool of feeling your way through an incarnation.

It would seem illogical as a means of discernment to someone only concerned with the physical world, but quite logical to someone with an understanding of the metaphysical world.

[Cyan]

Resonance is better as a tool than logic because while logic allows you to determine the relative positions and structures of the people in the event, it does not allow you, in the slightest, to determine the validity of their reasoning fo rbeing in the event as for you in the pure logic state, their reasoning will change if you think different.

So, you lose "Them" and shift to a world of "them"

So, follow resonance and apply logic to survival. Thats why, i believe, that kundalini loops down first. First apply it to survival, then apply the end result (your life) to the outcome (your paradise in the moment)

[Tenet Nosce]

You guys are constantly talking about critical thinking, science, reason.

Interesting. In another food-related thread I was talking about learning to trust one's own inner wisdom and intuition as regards food choices. You took objection to that as well.

Why aren't you atheists? Doesn't critical thinking and science lead to atheism? Where is your faith? The Law of One says that the importance of faith cannot be underestimated.

Right, so go ahead and add the fake "faith" to the fake "love" and the fake "compassion" to the list. Fake "faith" being the notion that it is good to blindly trust in an external authority. Faith, as described in the Law of One, is trusting that All is Well when it comes to the big picture. This is actually a very logical conclusion, in my opinion.

What about resonance? You guys talk like evolution from 3d to 4d is based on the person learning reason and science and subordinating their lives to the dictates of scientific elites. Isn't this incompatible with the Ra material? Doesn't Ra suggest that people follow what resonates? Ra says this is not the density of knowing, so doesn't that mean science and reason are useless?

I don't see any reason to, nor do I resonate with, the notion to whittle everything down to an EITHER/OR situation and then duke it out, whomever takes the most extreme view "wins".

Scientific "elites" which use only logic and reason, to the exclusion of emotion and intuition are just as stunted in their consciousness as those who do it the other way around. I get just as irritated with both extremes.

The aversion of some "scientific elites" to anything which cannot be catalogued and quantified limits their ability to grow as human beings. The aversion of some "New Agey types" to anything which can be catalogued and quantified also limits their ability to grow as human beings.

One thing they do have in common is that both of these "types" are probably eating too much sugar. The rational-type because "it's all just calories and the second law of thermodynamics". And the intuitive-type because "I feel so good when I eat sugar, that it must be good for me!"

I don't see how Diana, Tenet, etc reconcile your views in this thread with the Law of One. Especially Tenet--you talk like a standard atheist. Do you believe in The Creator? Do you believe in God? What place does God have in the classroom? What place does God have in your suggestion that the rational scientists rule over society and control the irrational sheep?

Luckily for me, I am not relying on you to reconcile this on my behalf.

If I had my druthers, the world would be governed by a body comprised of intuitive scientists and rational mystics.

But to speak more directly to your concern, which I think is totally valid, about the people being controlled and manipulated by the intelligentsia of the world, I would submit that this occurs because the average person is so easily hoodwinked by logical fallacies. It's not the logic part that is the problem, it is the fallacy part.

Unfortunately, many people who have been previously hoodwinked by another person's fallacious thinking tend to reject logic altogether, rather than develop their own reasoning skills to exceed those of the manipulators.

[Shin'Ar]

You guys are constantly talking about critical thinking, science, reason.

Why aren't you atheists? Doesn't critical thinking and science lead to atheism? Where is your faith? The Law of One says that the importance of faith cannot be underestimated.

What about resonance? You guys talk like evolution from 3d to 4d is based on the person learning reason and science and subordinating their lives to the dictates of scientific elites. Isn't this incompatible with the Ra material? Doesn't Ra suggest that people follow what resonates? Ra says this is not the density of knowing, so doesn't that mean science and reason are useless?

I don't see how Diana, Tenet, etc reconcile your views in this thread with the Law of One. Especially Tenet--you talk like a standard atheist. Do you believe in The Creator? Do you believe in God? What place does God have in the classroom? What place does God have in your suggestion that the rational scientists rule over society and control the irrational sheep?

Yosarrian,

Correct me if I am wrong, but I think you missed the way that Diana's and TN's post were sort of stating the devil's advocacy. They were pointing out the way the system is, not agreeing with its supremacy.

I have little to no respect for the education system anymore. the liberal extremes have done the same to that system as they have to the justice system, and every other aspect of society. In trying to make sure that the minorities of society are treated equally they have gone too far and gone to the extreme of completely ignoring the majority. And I am not talking race here. I am talking about liberal issues of equal rights given to issues that are sought after by the minority of the population as opposed to the majority. And then won and established in ways that are now so exaggerated that the rights of those minority aspects of society are now more important and receiving more benefit than the thew rights of the majority.

For example, how many parents really want their children to be taught how to have anal intercourse via a school sex ed program? we all know this would be a vast minority. And yet it will be imposed upon us by an elite minority of the populace simply because equality is the trophy of the day, and gaining that trophy even at the expense of the majority is not a problem to those who seek after it.

Another example is the young offenders act. We all know what a disaster that has become and the vast majority of us would have it changed in a second. But liberal extreme 'equal rights' prevail, and in consequence the entire justice system is falling apart.

I think we would all agree that school should be first of all for the teaching of three Rs. But we have gotten so far from that basic that kids are now graduating in a state of severe illiteracy. !7 year olds of this generation are not as capable at writing as were ten year olds of my generation.

Radical liberalism, and the unbalanced way that society is addressing equality issues, is literally the source of the decay of western society.

And I am not a conservative by any means. So I am not preaching a conservative pose here.

I am as far from conservative extremism as I am from extreme liberalism.

As I have often noted, the extremes of anything are the source of unbalance of All.

[Patrick]

You guys are constantly talking about critical thinking, science, reason.

Why aren't you atheists? Doesn't critical thinking and science lead to atheism? Where is your faith? The Law of One says that the importance of faith cannot be underestimated.

What about resonance? You guys talk like evolution from 3d to 4d is based on the person learning reason and science and subordinating their lives to the dictates of scientific elites. Isn't this incompatible with the Ra material? Doesn't Ra suggest that people follow what resonates? Ra says this is not the density of knowing, so doesn't that mean science and reason are useless?

I don't see how Diana, Tenet, etc reconcile your views in this thread with the Law of One. Especially Tenet--you talk like a standard atheist. Do you believe in The Creator? Do you believe in God? What place does God have in the classroom? What place does God have in your suggestion that the rational scientists rule over society and control the irrational sheep?

I agree with you my friend !

On the Level of Consciousness scale, you have to go through logic and reason before you reach unconditional love when you break through the logic and reason stage. I did this within this incarnation and I understand now why people feel this need for logic and reason. It's part of the experience.

So when my other selves wants to speak science, I gladly oblige. But I know that even science has not one consensus, not even a consensus in matters that people take for granted. It's all part of learning that logic is part of the illusion, it promotes the separation.

In reality all can be true at the same time.

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Resonance usually implies a non-logical process. Doesn't Ra believe resonance is the most important way of judging truth?

That is what I call following your intuition even in the face of a seeming paradox.

[yossarian]

You guys are constantly talking about critical thinking, science, reason.

Interesting. In another food-related thread I was talking about learning to trust one's own inner wisdom and intuition as regards food choices. You took objection to that as well.

Your mistake is thinking that I'm objecting. I'm asking some questions. I don't mean to be contrarian or antagonistic but I do mean to ask some Pointed Questions.

Unfortunately you haven't really answered my key questions. When you interrogated me I answered directly.

Why aren't you atheists? Doesn't critical thinking and science lead to atheism? Where is your faith? The Law of One says that the importance of faith cannot be underestimated.

Right, so go ahead and add the fake "faith" to the fake "love" and the fake "compassion" to the list. Fake "faith" being the notion that it is good to blindly trust in an external authority. Faith, as described in the Law of One, is trusting that All is Well when it comes to the big picture. This is actually a very logical conclusion, in my opinion.

What is the logic? I don't see how trusting that All is Well is logical, I guess it depends a great deal on your premises.

I don't see how Diana, Tenet, etc reconcile your views in this thread with the Law of One. Especially Tenet--you talk like a standard atheist. Do you believe in The Creator? Do you believe in God? What place does God have in the classroom? What place does God have in your suggestion that the rational scientists rule over society and control the irrational sheep?

Luckily for me, I am not relying on you to reconcile this on my behalf.

I'm not trying to solve your problems. I'm asking how you solve your problems so that I can learn. I literally want to know how you guys reconcile it all. On one hand you talk about the importance of trusting scientific elites and then on the other hand you are here... on the Law of One forum... there seems to be an inconsistency.

If I had my druthers, the world would be governed by a body comprised of intuitive scientists and rational mystics.

But intuitive scientists have no respect for evidence. They just believe s*** that resonates, cherry pick some evidence, and call it "proved" -- see David Wilcock, Free Energy people, that Proctor & Gamble guy from Thrive, yossarian, etc. These are people who consider themselves intuitive scientists but really they are just pseudoscientists.

But to speak more directly to your concern, which I think is totally valid, about the people being controlled and manipulated by the intelligentsia of the world, I would submit that this occurs because the average person is so easily hoodwinked by logical fallacies. It's not the logic part that is the problem, it is the fallacy part.

Unfortunately, many people who have been previously hoodwinked by another person's fallacious thinking tend to reject logic altogether, rather than develop their own reasoning skills to exceed those of the manipulators.

So do you think the Ra material supports logical thinking? If so, why does it suggest you only trust things that are resonant?

It seems if Ra supported logical thinking, Ra would recommend you determine truth using logic rather than using resonance.

[BrownEye]

As I have often noted, the extremes of anything are the source of unbalance of All.

Equal extremes are balanced.

[Plenum]

extremes are always extremly balanced

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William Blake:

Proverbs of Hell.

In seed time learn, in harvest teach, in winter enjoy.
Drive your cart and your plow over the bones of the dead.
The road of excess leads to the palace of wisdom.
Prudence is a rich ugly old maid courted by Incapacity.
He who desires but acts not, breeds pestilence.
The cut worm forgives the plow.

[BrownEye]

[Sagittarius]

I really tried to cut out meat and eat only high alkaline but I felt sick and weak for the 2 weeks I did it. I felt mentally drained as well and it felt like I was to un-grounded. Not to mention I felt like crap in the gym.

I have pretty much cut everything bad out except for meat and mars bars lol.

[Monica]

Nice to see this. I drink 9.5-10 pH Kangen Water.

[Plenum]

hey, acid ain't all bad. If you imbibe enough minerals, the body can balance out acidic conditions.

only problem is, we don't usually have access to quality minerals these days. (soils used to have come from lava and volcanic ash, wood ash, but modern fields are re-used again and again, totally depleted). That said, I'm no farmer and just regurgiating what I heard on a podcast lol.

peace y'all. Happy memorial day too.