Ra's Code

[unity100]

But in truth there is no difference between the two colors, because the black also create the white with the interaction of its spheres

do they ? or, do they just dance with each other, revolving around a center that is at the middle of their dance ?

Very interesting observations, Protnexus

Your ideas are very close to mine. The geometry of packed spheres does indeed have the crystal structure of atoms. What you suggested was as variation can be easily explained within the geometry. This is specially true when one considers large numbers of spheres.
In time I will share some ideas regarding the geometry and the Laws of Physics. It is possible to show how Relativity and Quantum Theory can be complementary to each other. In other words, they both work fine together within the geometry.
Once we begin discussing the potential spin of the spheres, we will find that they can spin in opposing direction. This may lead to the idea of polarity. There is a particular spin that is spiral, that creates inward and outward spirals. These may end up being the reason for Service to self, and service to others tendencies. One spiral attracts energy to itself, the other disburses energy out. Both get their potential from infinite energy.
Later we will see that Sub-atomic particles can also be described within the geometry, and we will find out why some particle live only for a very short period of time, while others appear to live forever.
These particles can be shown to form geometry that is a match for the packed spheres geometry. The charges of these particles can also be explained.
There are currently 3 families of particles, of 6 each. It appears that the 2nd set, that starts with the muons, may be just another phase of the 1st, and the 3rd a higher phase of the second.
Amazingly, this information can also be found in the last Book of the New Testament.

you move too fast from the initial state to all the stuff down below.

i think first the concept of these points/spheres and their relation to each other should be explained in detail first, then it should come to the concept of vibration. for, if the spheres are dancing normally, the sea is still, there is no differentiation in the sea to create anything that can be named as something different from the sea. how does the 'first thing' that 'exists' comes into being. the focuses, power points, ying/yangs are there, dancing, but, their dance is not different than any other. so, it is a sea of equivalently dancing ying/yangs. then how does the first differentiation happens and a 'thing' comes into being ?

[Nabil Naser]

Perhaps the drawing attached can shed a light on how the same point in space can be part of two separate circles on a plane. But they can also be two circles within different planes. It is possible also that 3 circles can interact in 3 different planes.

But in truth there is no difference between the two colors, because the black also create the white with the interaction of its spheres

do they ? or, do they just dance with each other, revolving around a center that is at the middle of their dance ?

Very interesting observations, Protnexus

Your ideas are very close to mine. The geometry of packed spheres does indeed have the crystal structure of atoms. What you suggested was as variation can be easily explained within the geometry. This is specially true when one considers large numbers of spheres.
In time I will share some ideas regarding the geometry and the Laws of Physics. It is possible to show how Relativity and Quantum Theory can be complementary to each other. In other words, they both work fine together within the geometry.
Once we begin discussing the potential spin of the spheres, we will find that they can spin in opposing direction. This may lead to the idea of polarity. There is a particular spin that is spiral, that creates inward and outward spirals. These may end up being the reason for Service to self, and service to others tendencies. One spiral attracts energy to itself, the other disburses energy out. Both get their potential from infinite energy.
Later we will see that Sub-atomic particles can also be described within the geometry, and we will find out why some particle live only for a very short period of time, while others appear to live forever.
These particles can be shown to form geometry that is a match for the packed spheres geometry. The charges of these particles can also be explained.
There are currently 3 families of particles, of 6 each. It appears that the 2nd set, that starts with the muons, may be just another phase of the 1st, and the 3rd a higher phase of the second.
Amazingly, this information can also be found in the last Book of the New Testament.

you move too fast from the initial state to all the stuff down below.

i think first the concept of these points/spheres and their relation to each other should be explained in detail first, then it should come to the concept of vibration. for, if the spheres are dancing normally, the sea is still, there is no differentiation in the sea to create anything that can be named as something different from the sea. how does the 'first thing' that 'exists' comes into being. the focuses, power points, ying/yangs are there, dancing, but, their dance is not different than any other. so, it is a sea of equivalently dancing ying/yangs. then how does the first differentiation happens and a 'thing' comes into being ?

[Nabil Naser]

The basic idea of awareness, and the Creator knowing itself.

The drawing shows a basic potential within the geometry of packed spheres.

[Ashim]

Thanks Nabil.
Most enlightening.
When I see these concentric bubbles in 4d they appear to have a geometry of stacked cubes.
For me they appear to be entities or Souls. When our lights blend we experience each others 'universe'.

Could you try explain these observations?

Could you explain how a simple over unity device could be constructed based on your work?
Could not a chaotic circuit be designed to 'tap' the potential?

Many thanks for your years of dedicated research. I think you deserve a prize.
A big one.

[Joseph326]

Greetings Nabil,

I would like to extend my appreciation for your work in detailing this model of Creation. Your examples fit in quite well with my current perceptions. The idea of spherical consciousness units resonates. Could it be that if each of the spheres are alike and equal (each is the Infinite One) then it is the interactions between each that allow them to experience any particular quality of themselves they desire to? Is this the Creator experiencing itself? Mentally picture with me, if you will, an atom. Its shape is roughly spherical. There is a vast amount of seemingly empty space along with tiny subatomic particles. The atom exhibits different characteristics and interacts a certain way with other atoms based on the number configuration of protons, neutrons, and electrons. Is this an example, on the most basic level that we can observe, of the Creator exhibiting a small portion of itself while the rest seemingly remains in potential? I have trouble believing that any of the space that appears empty is really empty. I felt that this would tie into the work Nabil is sharing with us, please feel free to disregard, correct, or add on if you wish.

[unity100]

Perhaps the drawing attached can shed a light on how the same point in space can be part of two separate circles on a plane. But they can also be two circles within different planes. It is possible also that 3 circles can interact in 3 different planes.

now, i see these, however, what im wanting to know, is how the first 'thing' has come into being.

for, see,

all of those, the concept of a 'circle', the concept of a 'point', even the concept of 'geometry' are all concepts/entities WITHIN infinity themselves. leave aside the fact that anything that conforms with those concepts, shaped and structured, are also entities within infinity.

but, at the initial state, we dont have differentiated concepts. the concept of a 'shape' is even not there. there is infinity.

then, something happens, and finity comes into being. now, finite things can happen. and ALL the stuff we are using as tools, ie, the concepts of 'shape', 'circle', 'line', 'point', 'geometry', 'relation', 'distance', 'position', comes into being.

so, there was a point at which none of these were there. then, there is a point at which, all of these things become possible.

what im wondering is, what happened at that point, how the concept of 'finity' started. im wondering what enables the existence of the concept 'finity'.

[Nabil Naser]

I am not sure of the answer to your question, Unity100.
The only explanation that I could come up with is that the process is continuous. Perhaps during the process, infinity becomes centralized. The center would be different than all else. This is a finite entity. This in turn changes infinity to an infinity of points equal to the center.
I have found interesting calculation regarding the volume and surface area that may shed light on the subject. When the Radius of a spheres is equal to 3, its surface area and the volume are equal.
Consider this for a moment. The surface area is 2-dimensional, while the volume is 3-dimensional. I believe this has something to do with it. The question is what is the relationship between the surface area of a the spheres and its volume? if infinity itself is a sphere similar to one with a radius of 3, then it has both an inner and outer that are equal somehow.
Perhaps the beating heart analogy that Ra describes has something to do with this.

All this is immaterial to me at this time. I may spend ages and not be able to answer the question. If Ra said that they do not know what the creator is, I doubt that I will be able to answer that question.

Perhaps the drawing attached can shed a light on how the same point in space can be part of two separate circles on a plane. But they can also be two circles within different planes. It is possible also that 3 circles can interact in 3 different planes.

now, i see these, however, what im wanting to know, is how the first 'thing' has come into being.

for, see,

all of those, the concept of a 'circle', the concept of a 'point', even the concept of 'geometry' are all concepts/entities WITHIN infinity themselves. leave aside the fact that anything that conforms with those concepts, shaped and structured, are also entities within infinity.

but, at the initial state, we dont have differentiated concepts. the concept of a 'shape' is even not there. there is infinity.

then, something happens, and finity comes into being. now, finite things can happen. and ALL the stuff we are using as tools, ie, the concepts of 'shape', 'circle', 'line', 'point', 'geometry', 'relation', 'distance', 'position', comes into being.

so, there was a point at which none of these were there. then, there is a point at which, all of these things become possible.

what im wondering is, what happened at that point, how the concept of 'finity' started. im wondering what enables the existence of the concept 'finity'.

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Hi Joseph. Your example fits perfectly with what I am sharing.
The atoms have exact crystal structures. If you consider a single sphere, you will find that it has a cubic and hexagonal structure on its surface, that is created by the points where the surrounding spheres come in contact with it. packed spheres create the geometry of hexagons and cubes naturally. That why all the atoms have that structure.
The geometry also creates some of the most famous structures we found in nature, as well as some man made structures like the pyramids.
What is more interesting about Ra's words, is that they describe the same geometry that can be found in all world religions. When considered carefully, this appears to boggle the mind.

Here is an example

Greetings Nabil,

I would like to extend my appreciation for your work in detailing this model of Creation. Your examples fit in quite well with my current perceptions. The idea of spherical consciousness units resonates. Could it be that if each of the spheres are alike and equal (each is the Infinite One) then it is the interactions between each that allow them to experience any particular quality of themselves they desire to? Is this the Creator experiencing itself? Mentally picture with me, if you will, an atom. Its shape is roughly spherical. There is a vast amount of seemingly empty space along with tiny subatomic particles. The atom exhibits different characteristics and interacts a certain way with other atoms based on the number configuration of protons, neutrons, and electrons. Is this an example, on the most basic level that we can observe, of the Creator exhibiting a small portion of itself while the rest seemingly remains in potential? I have trouble believing that any of the space that appears empty is really empty. I felt that this would tie into the work Nabil is sharing with us, please feel free to disregard, correct, or add on if you wish.

[unity100]

I am not sure of the answer to your question, Unity100.
The only explanation that I could come up with is that the process is continuous. Perhaps during the process, infinity becomes centralized.

im wondering what is the first thing that enables uniform infinity to be able to become anything else. (nonuniform, centralized focuses).

Consider this for a moment. The surface area is 2-dimensional, while the volume is 3-dimensional. I believe this has something to do with it. The question is what is the relationship between the surface area of a the spheres and its volume? if infinity itself is a sphere similar to one with a radius of 3, then it has both an inner and outer that are equal somehow.
Perhaps the beating heart analogy that Ra describes has something to do with this.

the thing is, even sphere, or concept of dimension are things within infinity. only possible, with the invention of finity.

that thing that enabled finity, and bore fruit to all these, is what im wondering about.

that process i am needing to know.

All this is immaterial to me at this time. I may spend ages and not be able to answer the question. If Ra said that they do not know what the creator is, I doubt that I will be able to answer that question.

actually at that level it is possible to explain a lot of things :

infinite intelligence, is infinity potentiated by intelligence. this makes infinite intelligence also something differentiated from infinity, and gives it the potential of being in different states.

at a point (as Ra says) infinite intelligence realized the concept of 'finity'. that became the thing that allowed infinite intelligence to differentiate from itself, and manifest as multiples.

the first focus as such, is called creator. the first central sun of all existence.

and, infinite intelligence, is what we are naming as 'the sea', 'dancing zen', 'the dancing speckles' etc. and from that point on downwards, it may be possible to approach it with dewey physics, and your sphere concept, and explain stuff.

but, from above that point, the fundamental questions of existence come up :

- what makes infinite intelligence intelligent. ie, what was it that differentiated from infinity.

- what was the thing that enabled finity concept, and allowed infinite intelligence to individualize, and manifest as multiples.

so, have you ever attempted to look into what infinity, in its pure indifferentiated state, is ? and what is that makes all these existences, possible ?

[Nabil Naser]

Hi Joseph. Your example fits perfectly with what I am sharing.
The atoms have exact crystal structures. If you consider a single sphere, you will find that it has a cubic and hexagonal structure, that is created by the points where the surrounding spheres come in contact with it. packed spheres create the geometry of hexagons and cubes naturally. That's why all the atoms have that structure.
The geometry also creates some of the most common structures we find in nature, as well as some man made structures like the pyramids.
What is more interesting about Ra's words, is that they describe the same geometry that can be found in all world religions. When considered carefully, this appears to boggle the mind.

Here is an example

Greetings Nabil,

I would like to extend my appreciation for your work in detailing this model of Creation. Your examples fit in quite well with my current perceptions. The idea of spherical consciousness units resonates. Could it be that if each of the spheres are alike and equal (each is the Infinite One) then it is the interactions between each that allow them to experience any particular quality of themselves they desire to? Is this the Creator experiencing itself? Mentally picture with me, if you will, an atom. Its shape is roughly spherical. There is a vast amount of seemingly empty space along with tiny subatomic particles. The atom exhibits different characteristics and interacts a certain way with other atoms based on the number configuration of protons, neutrons, and electrons. Is this an example, on the most basic level that we can observe, of the Creator exhibiting a small portion of itself while the rest seemingly remains in potential? I have trouble believing that any of the space that appears empty is really empty. I felt that this would tie into the work Nabil is sharing with us, please feel free to disregard, correct, or add on if you wish.

[Aaron]

that thing that enabled finity, and bore fruit to all these, is what im wondering about.

that process i am needing to know.

Aren't we all? In fact, isn't that the entire point of the manifestation of all the infinite universes in this octave?

[Nabil Naser]

I may be of help in answering why the sphere.
Any other shape other than a sphere will have differences within it. A difference is finite.
Infinity can't be anything other than a sphere. But the sphere has a singularity at the center.
Remember that a sphere can't have an exact measurement. perhaps this is reference to infinity also.

I am not sure of the answer to your question, Unity100.
The only explanation that I could come up with is that the process is continuous. Perhaps during the process, infinity becomes centralized.

im wondering what is the first thing that enables uniform infinity to be able to become anything else. (nonuniform, centralized focuses).

Consider this for a moment. The surface area is 2-dimensional, while the volume is 3-dimensional. I believe this has something to do with it. The question is what is the relationship between the surface area of a the spheres and its volume? if infinity itself is a sphere similar to one with a radius of 3, then it has both an inner and outer that are equal somehow.
Perhaps the beating heart analogy that Ra describes has something to do with this.

the thing is, even sphere, or concept of dimension are things within infinity. only possible, with the invention of finity.

that thing that enabled finity, and bore fruit to all these, is what im wondering about.

that process i am needing to know.

All this is immaterial to me at this time. I may spend ages and not be able to answer the question. If Ra said that they do not know what the creator is, I doubt that I will be able to answer that question.

actually at that level it is possible to explain a lot of things :

infinite intelligence, is infinity potentiated by intelligence. this makes infinite intelligence also something differentiated from infinity, and gives it the potential of being in different states.

at a point (as Ra says) infinite intelligence realized the concept of 'finity'. that became the thing that allowed infinite intelligence to differentiate from itself, and manifest as multiples.

the first focus as such, is called creator. the first central sun of all existence.

and, infinite intelligence, is what we are naming as 'the sea', 'dancing zen', 'the dancing speckles' etc. and from that point on downwards, it may be possible to approach it with dewey physics, and your sphere concept, and explain stuff.

but, from above that point, the fundamental questions of existence come up :

- what makes infinite intelligence intelligent. ie, what was it that differentiated from infinity.

- what was the thing that enabled finity concept, and allowed infinite intelligence to individualize, and manifest as multiples.

so, have you ever attempted to look into what infinity, in its pure indifferentiated state, is ? and what is that makes all these existences, possible ?

[unity100]

that thing that enabled finity, and bore fruit to all these, is what im wondering about.

that process i am needing to know.

Aren't we all? In fact, isn't that the entire point of the manifestation of all the infinite universes in this octave?

if we look at physical manifestation of a sun, and the darkness it manifests in, this may give a clue.

all suns, all energy manifest inside some dark thing.

now, interestingly, the descriptions of the matrix and potentiator of spirit, they almost coincide with these, at least in descriptions (their places may be switched because sun manifests in physical space) :

matrix of the spirit is eternal darkness, and the potentiator of the spirit is sudden lightning that illuminates it. (correct me if im wrong here)

so even there, there is something that the lightning illuminates.

now, these seem to resemble the yin/yang, or the speckle dance we see while meditating or in other conditions. (or in the tv static).

what if, the darkness that the lightning manifests in, is the dark part of that yin/yang, and, the lightning, light part, is the white part ?

then, are universes created, by applying concentration to these yinyangs, and separating them - you have a darkness, you have a light.

does that make all of those infinite yingyangs we see dancing, as potential different existences (which contain infinite universes) ? or are dancing infinite yingyangs are each different universes ?

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I may be of help in answering why the sphere.
Any other shape other than a sphere will have differences within it. A difference is finite.
Infinity can't be anything other than a sphere. But the sphere has a singularity at the center.
Remember that a sphere can't have an exact measurement. perhaps this is reference to infinity also.

a sphere is a concept that has dimension. dimension is itself also a concept.

maybe you are meaning to say 'point' ?

[Nabil Naser]

Thanks Ashim for your kind words

As for creating a device that can use the energy of the creator, it would require knowing basic structure of chemical elements in some detail, then translating this understanding into the principle of packed spheres geometry. Every element is unique, in that has an exact potential due to the spin and rotation of its Protons, Neutrons, and Electrons.
It can be done, and will probably be done, if my ideas are correct.
A great use for these ideas can be in the treatment of cancer and other illnesses. Cancer cells are created when the basic functions of cells are altered by some catalyst, or genetic weakness. If we understand what role the geometry plays in the creating of cancer, we may be able to treat it with specific elements that can counter the cancer growth, without having to use destructive radiation. Radiation and Chemotherapy destroy the cancer cells and surrounding tissue. A different approach could be found where non harmful therapy could be used.

You are right about the geometry of cubes. physicists are aware of that. The cube can be found in every sphere. It is created by the points where surrounding spheres connect to it. The geometry of the hexagon is also fundamental as the attached drawing show.
I posted a drawing today, in a response to Joseph, that you may find interesting in relation to the cube and hexagonal geometry, which is the basic crystal structure of all chemical elements.

Thanks Nabil.
Most enlightening.
When I see these concentric bubbles in 4d they appear to have a geometry of stacked cubes.
For me they appear to be entities or Souls. When our lights blend we experience each others 'universe'.

Could you try explain these observations?

Could you explain how a simple over unity device could be constructed based on your work?
Could not a chaotic circuit be designed to 'tap' the potential?

Many thanks for your years of dedicated research. I think you deserve a prize.
A big one.

[Joseph326]

Thanks Nabil! The diagrams you provide are quite helpful. I keep chuckling to my self each time something from religious texts aligns with my seeking. The puzzle pieces are everywhere!

How did finity spring forth from Infinity? In my mind there is no such thing as finity. It is an illusion used by the infinite mind as a tool for learning about itself. There is no past, present, or future as we know it. I understand it seems that there is from our human perspective. Everything is One. One unit of infinite measurement. Existing in one moment. There is nothing else. Nothing to compare it to, because it is all that is. To try and make it linear by saying "first there was infinity and then it divided itself into finite parts" really speaks nothing of its true nature. Every part is existing simultaneously in the same moment, the same point. Singularity. It will look different to us at different measures of what we refer to as time and space only because our point of view of that one infinite moment has shifted. I do not feel as if I can describe this any better using words, as they do little justice to the true nature of the One. Kind of like if someone brought me to a sunset at the beach, handed me a pencil and a tiny scrap of paper and asked me to draw everything I see.

I am also getting a notion that the packed sphere model could help explain the energies of numbers and how they interact. I'm not very gifted in mathematics at this time in this incarnation so I would be very interested in any ideas on this subject.

[unity100]

How did finity spring forth from Infinity? In my mind there is no such thing as finity. It is an illusion used by the infinite mind as a tool for learning about itself.

then what is 'illusion' ?

There is no past, present, or future as we know it. I understand it seems that there is from our human perspective.

it is there from non-human perspective of 6d too. ra went back in time to see what was wrong with the tape recorder in a session in book v. time had to exist from their perspective too, for them to be able to go back and see what was wrong. they didnt 'know' what was wrong with the tape, they went back, and checked what was wrong. (maybe it was their going back to that point in time and checking it out that broke the tape haha)

and in addition, time also exists from another perspective - we are told there are 'wanderers' (as it can be called) that come from the next octave, to aid us in our octave completion. these entities are called lightbringers. they are from NEXT octave. so, even at that point, there is a concept of time. (Since they are able to come back as an entity, and go back to their own octave)

[Nabil Naser]

Hi Joseph

Unity and I have been discussing this subject. I am not sure of my answers. To me. infinity can't be anything but a sphere, because any other shape will have difference, and where there is difference, these is finite.
Since you are enjoying the references to religion, you might find the information in the attached interesting too.
We can find the integer number, their addition, and subtraction, as well as squaring naturally within the geometry.
The numbers 7 and 4 are fascinating. There is a lot of information related to them

Thanks Nabil! The diagrams you provide are quite helpful. I keep chuckling to my self each time something from religious texts aligns with my seeking. The puzzle pieces are everywhere!

How did finity spring forth from Infinity? In my mind there is no such thing as finity. It is an illusion used by the infinite mind as a tool for learning about itself. There is no past, present, or future as we know it. I understand it seems that there is from our human perspective. Everything is One. One unit of infinite measurement. Existing in one moment. There is nothing else. Nothing to compare it to, because it is all that is. To try and make it linear by saying "first there was infinity and then it divided itself into finite parts" really speaks nothing of its true nature. Every part is existing simultaneously in the same moment, the same point. Singularity. It will look different to us at different measures of what we refer to as time and space only because our point of view of that one infinite moment has shifted. I do not feel as if I can describe this any better using words, as they do little justice to the true nature of the One. Kind of like if someone brought me to a sunset at the beach, handed me a pencil and a tiny scrap of paper and asked me to draw everything I see.

I am also getting a notion that the packed sphere model could help explain the energies of numbers and how they interact. I'm not very gifted in mathematics at this time in this incarnation so I would be very interested in any ideas on this subject.

[Joseph326]

Hi Unity!

I see 'illusion' in this context as a narrowly focused perception of infinity that is used to view a specific quality or qualities in better detail or in an appropriate setting for ideal observation. Example: I am aware that light is made up of 7 colors but I want to see what everything looks like in purple. So I go buy some glasses that filter out every color but purple and I put them on and observe my surroundings. Now, lets say I am Creator and I want to experience polarity and choice. So I put on a suit of human flesh, a heavy veil and observe 3rd density through my human eyes and interact with it in a way that only a human with that focus of perception can.
Thus an infinite being seems to bring itself into a limited perspective in order to create situations only possible from that level.

Also, perhaps Ra went back in time from OUR perspective. I have the understanding that a 6D being can observe any time they wish to. Observing time through these human eyes of mine, I am most likely to either look backward or forward in time to a particular experience. A late 6D being, a higher self for example, may look upon every past event and every future probability that could possibly exist for its incarnate portions of self instantaneously. Instead of playing the film one frame at a time in sequence, they can pick up the roll and see all frames at once.
Travel in 6D is possible by thought. This is more of an instant transfer than actual travel, which implies a simple shift in perspective.

These ideas come from my own intuition only and may not necessarily be true for anyone else.

[LsavedSmeD]

I believe instead of spheres the correct usage might be points or focuses.

These points or focuses would be focused inward ad infinitum and the same outwards. The spiraling of these focuses would result in a spherical manifestation but regardless of spiraling or not these focuses still exist indefinitely.

Infinity may simply mean all/everything and thus each portion of Infinity contains the same within it even though it is unique to any other portion this is why I find the spherical ideal to be somewhat infringing on the uniqueness of each portion.

This is only a rough theoretical conclusion to add food for thought and in no way do I believe I have a better grasp.

Also where does "Love" come in which Ra speaks of the higher order of energies etc... etc...

[Nabil Naser]

Love is ever present. The higher order of energy are more complex manifestation of love, they have the information that can be found in less complex energies.
There is the Octave only within a universe, and at the 7th density, all become the same energy, which is the energy of love.
The new creation, which starts with the 1st density, does not have to have more energy, it just evolves a little differently, due to the probabilities/possibilities of independent energy, which Ra calls Infinite energy.
At the heart of all things are spheres of energy that can spin in any direction. When a sphere meets another, they affect each other, by slowing each other, or accelerating each other.
At the beginning, all the spheres join in such a way so that they all maintain their spin. This is the nature of heaven as described in the bible.
It is from this symmetry that space/time and different densities are created. The creation continues until a new symmetry is created. Then a new creation begins.

I believe instead of spheres the correct usage might be points or focuses.

These points or focuses would be focused inward ad infinitum and the same outwards. The spiraling of these focuses would result in a spherical manifestation but regardless of spiraling or not these focuses still exist indefinitely.

Infinity may simply mean all/everything and thus each portion of Infinity contains the same within it even though it is unique to any other portion this is why I find the spherical ideal to be somewhat infringing on the uniqueness of each portion.

This is only a rough theoretical conclusion to add food for thought and in no way do I believe I have a better grasp.

Also where does "Love" come in which Ra speaks of the higher order of energies etc... etc...

[unity100]

Hi Joseph

Unity and I have been discussing this subject. I am not sure of my answers. To me. infinity can't be anything but a sphere, because any other shape will have difference, and where there is difference, these is finite.

thats probably because you are approaching the issue geometrically, and explaining them symbolically.

a sphere is itself a concept, an 'entity'. a sphere basically would consist of formations of 'entities' (or finites) placed in respect to each other. (ie equidistant points/finites from a certain point of effect - or, a point affecting all other points equidistant from itself with a certain effect).

but, even the concept of sphere, has to come into being after infinity state -> since sphere concept is also something finite.

because we dont have anything finite to observe at the point of infinity, it becomes hard to approach the concept of the first 'finite' thing coming into being, and then all concepts forming up, getting created, by using shapes and geometry. (because even geometry is a concept that comes into being after infinity).

so then lets start from visual, observable cues, to build up something -

we know of the 'sea' phenomenon. ie, the infinite numbers of yingyangs that are dancing in front of our eyes in the early stages of meditation (or any situation that they dance in front of our eyes, even in dark).

we know that this tv-static like swarm first starts to look like a wavy sea, and increasingly the waves become smoother, looking really like water, and increasingly becomes smoother and transparent, and after a time one can not see it no more.

what im thinking is this :

the state of this wavy sea, is infinite intelligence. (infinity potentiated by becoming intelligent).

the state of the wavy sea becoming smoother in waves, is the state that infinite intelligence approaches infinity.

and the full state of stillness, is, probably infinity itself. totally irrelevant to us, totally impossible to interact with, yet, contains all of us still.

doesnt have any form, doesnt have any state.

im actually thinking that this state is never attainable by anything other than infinity itself -> infinite intelligence will also never be able to totally reach that state, because nomatter how smoother the vibrations of the sea gets, they will approximate, but never be, totally still.

..........

now lets look back to what Ra says about 'first thing in creation'.

there is infinity. (we know that). infinity became aware. (aaaaah. now that. we dont know how did this happen. how did, infinity, total stillness, become wavy). this became infinite intelligence. then, this infinite intelligence, discovered finity. finity enabled infinite intelligence to individualize from itself, and created all these we know. (from concepts to geometry, from love to free will, this that).

2 steps are missing -> how did infinity became aware, something different than its initial state.

and

how did infinite intelligence discover finity, and what is finity.

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my best guess is, the finity infinite intelligence discovered, was a 'point'.

infinite intelligence, a wavy sea that is differentiated from infinity by only being potentiated (it has potential, it vibrates), and therefore aware, realized that, a point was something that was finite. (infinitely finite, actually). and with that, using the concept of point, it was able to differentiate from itself and individualize.

from this point on your math and geometry start to work -> a point, is a focus. and any focus, will affect a spherical geometry around it, proportional to the strength of the focus at that point. so, basically, a stronger sun, is a stronger focus, a smaller sun, is a focus with lower strength.

a point makes everything we know regarding physical manifestation possible - you can create a line in between points, by connecting infinite number of points, 'quants', ie 'finites', entities. (if you can call a focus an entity - but we are not using the word entity in mind/body/spirit complex sense). different positionings of these focuses, points, creates different complicated structures (of whatever particles).

all focuses use and reflect the energy that infinite intelligence has. it is a potentiated infinity after all, vibrating.

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so far this approach, though coarse and makeshift, seems to explain a few things even in its blunt state.

but still what's missing is, how did infinity become potentiated. how did infinity became aware. what is 'aware'. what is 'intelligence'.

that is of course, accepting that the finity concept infinite intelligence discovered, was the concept of a 'point', and the question of how infinite intelligence became individualized, sorted out.

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I see 'illusion' in this context as a narrowly focused perception of infinity that is used to view a specific quality or qualities in better detail or in an appropriate setting for ideal observation. Example: I am aware that light is made up of 7 colors but I want to see what everything looks like in purple. So I go buy some glasses that filter out every color but purple and I put them on and observe my surroundings. Now, lets say I am Creator and I want to experience polarity and choice. So I put on a suit of human flesh, a heavy veil and observe 3rd density through my human eyes and interact with it in a way that only a human with that focus of perception can.
Thus an infinite being seems to bring itself into a limited perspective in order to create situations only possible from that level.

now, the approaches you are making above, ie 'polarity', 'color', 'surroundings', even 'experience', are stuff that come WAY after the discovery of the concept of finity by infinite intelligence. because, by only discovery of that concept, all of the above has become possible. therefore, at the level we are discussing these do not count.

but, even we discard these, even at the level we are discussing, there is some kind of 'time' concept. ra says, 'infinity became aware'. yes, that may not be time as we know it - ie, revolutions of planets around a star, and changing of the situations of infinite energy in that solar system, as planets, as entities, as souls, whatever.

however, there is still a concept of prioritization, a leveling, some kind of flow : ra says, there was infinity. then, infinity became aware. so, aware infinity, the infinite intelligence, comes AFTER infinity. may be in the sense of some other kind of 'time', or, 'prioritization'. so, there is some before-after.

but more importantly, there seems to be 2 components to infinity :

the black dots and the white dots dancing in the sea that we observe.

what im suspecting is, the very finite some people are discounting, ie calling 'illusion' or whatnot, may be the very same thing that enables all these to come into being - ie, the point concept, the singularity, or, the 'single'.

if it is half of the parts of infinity, it cannot be called 'unreal' or 'illusory'.

Also, perhaps Ra went back in time from OUR perspective. I have the understanding that a 6D being can observe any time they wish to. Observing time through these human eyes of mine, I am most likely to either look backward or forward in time to a particular experience. A late 6D being, a higher self for example, may look upon every past event and every future probability that could possibly exist for its incarnate portions of self instantaneously. Instead of playing the film one frame at a time in sequence, they can pick up the roll and see all frames at once.
Travel in 6D is possible by thought. This is more of an instant transfer than actual travel, which implies a simple shift in perspective.

These ideas come from my own intuition only and may not necessarily be true for anyone else.

our perspective, their perspective, others' perspective, perspectives doesnt matter here -> time concept means, change. means, there has been some change, prior to the state that that part of infinite intelligence was in. and in the current state, the locale (whatever included - stars, planets, entities, dimensions, consciousness, energy, whatever) is now different from the earlier state.

there is a comparison of current state to the earlier state. that is time. then, as long as there is change, there has to be time. because infinite intelligence is aware, potentiated, and it has energy. it DOES change, infinitely.

even if we dont approach it that way, there is still this :

lightbringers come from NEXT octave. there is a NEXT octave for Ra. for us. even if our 'perspective' is different from Ra's, there is still a NEXT for all of us. and, for the lightbringer (which is an entity or collection of entities returned to the one central sun, and then started a new octave !!), there is a PAST octave and a CURRENT octave.

lightbringer, coming as wanderer into this octave, has come to its PAST octave. the octave before.

it doesnt matter what the perspective is. there is a state of change, for the lightbringer. from this octave, to its own octave. that means, there is a kind of time for it too.

[Joseph326]

I feel that I should add for your consideration that time is only a measure of change in point of reference. Everything changes constantly because our perspective changes constantly. There is infinity. There is never infinity + something new. That would mean that infinity is not truly infinite. It is all already there. It appears to us to have progression because that is how our physical minds are viewing it. Any attempt by an entity, for example, Ra, to describe infinity would of course have to be given in a way that we could understand it from our perspective of linearity.

[Aaron]

then, are universes created, by applying concentration to these yinyangs, and separating them - you have a darkness, you have a light.

does that make all of those infinite yingyangs we see dancing, as potential different existences (which contain infinite universes) ? or are dancing infinite yingyangs are each different universes ?

Ra says that the empty space we see when we look up in the sky at night is a "plenum" filled with the potential of the Creator. Quantum physics has also said something about bubble like structures that open and close in empty space and other dimensions. It all ties into the static visualization of emptiness. The dance of yin and yang.

A star then, I believe, is the potential of the surrounding space pulled together to form something. It's a distortion of the Creator, which was the empty space that was there. When all the white parts of the static, so to speak, are pulled together, only the dark parts remain. That's the darkness or vacuum that the star illuminates.

I think you're right on about those archetypes. The matrix gives birth to the potentiatior at all levels of our observable illusion. And everything that forms like that naturally is spherical, from atoms to stars. So packed sphere geometry makes sense for the physical universe.

So the real question is, how or when did infinity distort itself into the one infinite creator, which we can visualize with static. We're talking about infinity here... Our human viewpoint, our perspective of the universe, only goes so far as understanding the creator, of which we are a distortion of. This includes our habitual application of linearity to concepts outside of linear time. I think that to apply those to infinity will farther hamper an understanding of it. And part of gaining understanding is progressing through the densities. Maybe we should progress through the densities first and become the creator again before we attempt to understand that which the creator comes from.

[Nabil Naser]

So the real question is, how or when did infinity distort itself into the one infinite creator, which we can visualize with static. We're talking about infinity here..


Infinity is the spheres, packed together. They are always there.
Light is made from the points where these spheres connect to each other. Light is made of the same material, but each point of light belongs to 2 spheres at the same time. These points of light move between them and through them. These points of light accommodate, and create different structures. There are some basic units that live forever. These recreate the exact potential of the spheres, continuing for ever. They are the Photon, Electron, and Proton. These join together, along with trapped neutrons, to create all atoms.
The spheres have the potential of spin, and the first particles have spins that depend on the number of sphere involved, and the amount of photons that are active.
Love is made of the spheres. Light is made of the points where the spheres touch each other. Thus we have Love/light and Light/love.

what you said about the sun wrapping up space towards it is correct. Think of the sun as made of a lot of Photons of Light. These photons carry with them the potential of the spheres that made them. This potential is expressed in the spheres that made them. The potential move with the light, as it moves through the spheres. The points are a lot smaller than the spheres, and when added up, their potential extends out into space.
Thus the sun's gravity reaches very far.

then, are universes created, by applying concentration to these yinyangs, and separating them - you have a darkness, you have a light.

does that make all of those infinite yingyangs we see dancing, as potential different existences (which contain infinite universes) ? or are dancing infinite yingyangs are each different universes ?

Ra says that the empty space we see when we look up in the sky at night is a "plenum" filled with the potential of the Creator. Quantum physics has also said something about bubble like structures that open and close in empty space and other dimensions. It all ties into the static visualization of emptiness. The dance of yin and yang.

A star then, I believe, is the potential of the surrounding space pulled together to form something. It's a distortion of the Creator, which was the empty space that was there. When all the white parts of the static, so to speak, are pulled together, only the dark parts remain. That's the darkness or vacuum that the star illuminates.

I think you're right on about those archetypes. The matrix gives birth to the potentiatior at all levels of our observable illusion. And everything that forms like that naturally is spherical, from atoms to stars. So packed sphere geometry makes sense for the physical universe.

So the real question is, how or when did infinity distort itself into the one infinite creator, which we can visualize with static. We're talking about infinity here... Our human viewpoint, our perspective of the universe, only goes so far as understanding the creator, of which we are a distortion of. This includes our habitual application of linearity to concepts outside of linear time. I think that to apply those to infinity will farther hamper an understanding of it. And part of gaining understanding is progressing through the densities. Maybe we should progress through the densities first and become the creator again before we attempt to understand that which the creator comes from.

[unity100]

I feel that I should add for your consideration that time is only a measure of change in point of reference. Everything changes constantly because our perspective changes constantly.

time is comparison of the change in positions of focuses, entities, to the comparison of the change in positions of other finites. this is in its ultimate extent - it encompasses all that exist - particles, concepts, etc etc, because this definition goes down to the point that finites are manifested. from that point downward, there are more than one entity. so, from that point downward, there are positions/states of different finites in respect to each other. any kind of change in these positions, happen to be time, and also movement.

There is infinity. There is never infinity + something new. That would mean that infinity is not truly infinite. It is all already there.

yes. however, we are talking about infinite intelligence and downwards. not about infinity.

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the step after this, is apparently the free will step. its not relayed in this part, but in another part Ra says discovery of finity, allowed free will. this allowed infinite intelligence to individualize from itself. become multiples.

whatever we are talking, is from at least 1 level lower than infinity. for, there can be no way to explain or measure or analyze infinity, other than being infinity entirely. so i see it as that, we are talking about infinite intelligence, and below.

maybe there may be a chance that we may gleam what might have been the awareness concept, that differentiated infinite intelligence from infinity.

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then, are universes created, by applying concentration to these yinyangs, and separating them - you have a darkness, you have a light.

does that make all of those infinite yingyangs we see dancing, as potential different existences (which contain infinite universes) ? or are dancing infinite yingyangs are each different universes ?

Ra says that the empty space we see when we look up in the sky at night is a "plenum" filled with the potential of the Creator. Quantum physics has also said something about bubble like structures that open and close in empty space and other dimensions. It all ties into the static visualization of emptiness. The dance of yin and yang.

im suspecting that, a pair of yingyang separated, may create a universe, or, at least a logos and a bubble pair. the white part becomes the logos, the black part becomes what it manifests in.

broad guess, but, it may be helpful in determining the nature of these things, even if not what they exactly are.

[Nabil Naser]

New proof of the Spheres idea came from a new discovery published in Science News.
Every single day there is a new discovery that agrees with the idea. This is in addition to the untold amount of information pointing at the proof that already exist.
In this case, light was shown to act like air as it lifts an airplane, by changing the pressure between the top and bottom of the plane's wings.
what is unique about light is that it lifts the tiny wing at an exact 60 degree angles. If an airplane did that, people would get sick, and flying would not be pleasant.
The geometry of packed spheres explains this. A sphere is connected to the other spheres at exactly 60 degrees.

Light can generate lift
Researchers create a lightfoil that can push small objects sideways
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Light has been put to work generating the same force that makes airplanes fly, a study appearing online December 5 in Nature Photonics shows. With the right design, a uniform stream of light has pushed tiny objects in much the same way that an airplane wing hoists a 747 off the ground.






The researchers created tiny rods shaped kind of like airplane wings — flat on one side and rounded on the other. When these micron-sized lightfoils were immersed in water and hit with 130 milliwatts of light from the bottom of the chamber, they started to move up, as expected. But the rods also began moving to the side, a direction perpendicular to the incoming light. Tiny symmetrical spheres didn’t exhibit this lift effect, the team found.

Optical lift is different from the aerodynamic lift created by an airfoil. A plane flies because air flowing more slowly under its wing exerts more pressure than the faster-moving air flowing above. But in a lightfoil, the lift is created inside the object as the beam shines through. The shape of the transparent lightfoil causes light to be refracted differently depending on where it goes through, which causes a corresponding bending of the beam’s momentum that creates lift.

These lightfoils’ lift angles were about 60 degrees, the team found. “Most aerodynamic things take off at very gradual angles, but this has a very striking, very powerful lift angle,” Swartzlander says. “You can imagine what would happen if your airplane took off at 60 degrees — your stomach would be in your feet.”

[Nabil Naser]

The secret record can be found in many sources.

[Nabil Naser]

Let us review what the Ra Code is all about.
It is about The Law of One, and an Octave of Densities. The 8th being the first of the next Octave. Thus there are 7 densities only. These densities begin with the creation of Light. Light is connected to something called Love.
If we can find a principle that can explain all this, shouldn't we consider and study it? What if we can show that the number 7 itself is the solution?
What if we can prove The Law of One by using two values only, spheres and the number 7? Shouldn't we take a closer look?

What I have been sharing with you is such principle. We can argue endlessly about what we think Infinity is, or we can try to understand it. Ra said that the 3rd density is not the density of understanding. They also talked about Paradoxes. They said that they "offer truth without proof". But since the truth is The Law of One, everything thing that they said must agree with it. This is the same like offering proof. When they describe how the Law of One works, they offer proof of its existence.

Ra has offered us a unique opportunity to understand our reality, origin, and potential future. They have left us a lot of clues, and all the information we need to understand nature and ourselves.

This is as real as it gets. The veil is being removed. A new Dawn begins.

[unity100]

Let us review what the Ra Code is all about.
It is about The Law of One, and an Octave of Densities. The 8th being the first of the next Octave. Thus there are 7 densities only. These densities begin with the creation of Light. Light is connected to something called Love.
If we can find a principle that can explain all this, shouldn't we consider and study it? What if we can show that the number 7 itself is the solution?
What if we can prove The Law of One by using two values only, spheres and the number 7? Shouldn't we take a closer look?

What I have been sharing with you is such principle. We can argue endlessly about what we think Infinity is, or we can try to understand it. Ra said that the 3rd density is not the density of understanding. They also talked about Paradoxes. They said that they "offer truth without proof". But since the truth is The Law of One, everything thing that they said must agree with it. This is the same like offering proof. When they describe how the Law of One works, they offer proof of its existence.

there is contradiction in the two blocks above that you are telling.

first, you are saying that, the secret of existence, or love, or whatever, is probably contained in number 7 or some other arithmetic formula or approach, and it would be good if we found that out and understood it.

then, you are saying that we could discuss endlessly what infinity is, or we can try to understand it. this approach differs from what you say above in understanding the Law of One through mathematics. but then you continue to say 3rd is not a density of understanding.

if, 3rd is not a density of understanding, mathematics wont divulge the 'secret' of existence/love/whatever in this octave. if it is, one can easily discuss and understand infinity, as well as anything regarding manifestation of existence in this octave.

[Nabil Naser]

Unity, you appear to be looking for reasons not to consider the information, which is O.K.
It was Ra who said that the 3rd density is not the density of understanding, but that does not mean that we need to stop trying to understand. We may not be able to grasp the whole picture, but we can learn enough to get a better view of our reality.
The information that I am sharing will lead to some understanding, but it is also so overwhelming and vast in scope, that we will not be able to understand all its effects, or who provided it, and for what purpose.
We study science because we want to understand our world. We do not yet understand nature, and we are always discovering new things. This does not mean that we should stop studying science, or considering science theories.
It is best to contradict the information itself, not the language style of the messenger.

Let us review what the Ra Code is all about.
It is about The Law of One, and an Octave of Densities. The 8th being the first of the next Octave. Thus there are 7 densities only. These densities begin with the creation of Light. Light is connected to something called Love.
If we can find a principle that can explain all this, shouldn't we consider and study it? What if we can show that the number 7 itself is the solution?
What if we can prove The Law of One by using two values only, spheres and the number 7? Shouldn't we take a closer look?

What I have been sharing with you is such principle. We can argue endlessly about what we think Infinity is, or we can try to understand it. Ra said that the 3rd density is not the density of understanding. They also talked about Paradoxes. They said that they "offer truth without proof". But since the truth is The Law of One, everything thing that they said must agree with it. This is the same like offering proof. When they describe how the Law of One works, they offer proof of its existence.

there is contradiction in the two blocks above that you are telling.

first, you are saying that, the secret of existence, or love, or whatever, is probably contained in number 7 or some other arithmetic formula or approach, and it would be good if we found that out and understood it.

then, you are saying that we could discuss endlessly what infinity is, or we can try to understand it. this approach differs from what you say above in understanding the Law of One through mathematics. but then you continue to say 3rd is not a density of understanding.

if, 3rd is not a density of understanding, mathematics wont divulge the 'secret' of existence/love/whatever in this octave. if it is, one can easily discuss and understand infinity, as well as anything regarding manifestation of existence in this octave.

[unity100]

It was Ra who said that the 3rd density is not the density of understanding, but that does not mean that we need to stop trying to understand.

then why do you say that we should stop trying to understand/learn infinity ?

im not objecting to your style or anything. just the contradiction.