Making Money

[AnthroHeart]

I don't donate money because I save for emergencies. We had 2 water pipes bust in the past year, and cost me around $800 to fix. It's good I had the money at the time, but just barely. Need money in case my truck (which is out of warranty and over 100,000 miles) breaks down.

About creative interests, my first book failed, and I'm too lazy to write another.

[Jade]

Thanks for the discussion, everyone.

I am a waitress. In my job, I am constantly receiving micro-transactions directly for my services (ie tips). The wage my employer pays me is basically moot, everything I earn is based on my pleasantness and eagerness to serve strangers. Of course, this is in an ideal world, and still every day I get stings where someone's tip doesn't reflect the job I believe I did. Most of the time this is very easy to shrug off because on the flip side sometimes people leave me very generous tips that I certainly didn't earn ($25 tip for opening a bottle of wine for 6 people vs. $3 tip to deal with a very needy couple for 3 hours). I try to remember it's all very fluid, money is merely energy - expecting it to come from where it "should" come from and not opening oneself up to just "receive" is a big lesson, I think. I just try to use what I know about the Law of Attraction... give without worry, spend without worry, and open oneself up to receive abundance in whichever way the universe desires to repay you.

My parents are both ends of the spectrum, but my father was more in control of our upbringing than my mother for the most part. My mother is very que sera, easy come easy go, and in fact has more often than not used nefarious means to acquire money. My father has worked for the same structured company for most of his life and makes a decent living, to the expense of almost all else. He's almost a caricature of a typical middle-aged man in our society - works himself into seclusion, twice divorced, spends money like crazy, obsessed with appearances (hair plugs, veneers, Camaro...). He's rejected my husband and I because I've been the sole money earner in our house for several years now - something that is incomprehensible to my father. No matter that my husband was physically disabled.... he was a failure because he couldn't buy me things.

It's just been a recent thing for me to not recoil at the thought of money. The truth is, I'm just used to doing without. Growing up in a home where money was such a focus, even as a small child I learned to not ask for much, if anything. I've almost exclusively had the profession I have now, so I've just spend what I've earned, if I needed more, pick up a shift, if I have enough for a while, give some shifts away. We have very little debt. We owe a couple thousand dollars to my grandma, and we have a very fraudulent $3,500 debt from an old apartment complex over our heads, but that is literally never getting paid. We've gone hungry. We've been without somewhere to live. Most modern luxuries are foreign to us - we share one old-style cell phone. We share one car. I know this lifestyle isn't for everyone but it works for us!

Of course, the dream is that my husband with be successful in his career as an author, and then we can spend our riches buying and protecting land and whatever various other charitable causes that call to us. It would be awesome if that was our life path! If it isn't, I can totally accept and understand that, as well. Right now, we're being called to move (my dad is kicking us out of this house we rent, which is my grandma's) and we really want to move to Colorado - and as it turns out, my in-laws want us there so bad they're willing to throw down whatever money they can to help us, as they have an abundance. I've been tight-roping this one for a while now - how much help do I feel comfortable accepting? Can't I just work harder and save up money? But that doesn't work because saving money is something I've never, ever successfully done. And the more I work the more money I feel like I need to spend to comfort or "reward" myself... the viscous cycle.

Another kicker is, if I didn't feel like I had to save up for this move, I would have been transitioning from almost full-time employment at my current job to working more on my Etsy shop - which if I had the time to dedicate to, I think would be very successful. So this is also a goal. As it is I'm really pretty tired of the job I have now and want to move on... I suppose sometimes the solutions are more obvious than we let on, they just take adjustments. :-/

These are my current thoughts, thanks for letting me share and thanks to everyone else for sharing their relationship with money.

[AnthroHeart]

I've only been able to save around $600. My bank balance floats around that and $1000. It's around $2000 now, but have a mortgage to pay that's over $1000 / month.

[Unbound]

"The truth is, I'm just used to doing without."

What you say here, Jade, I think hits the nail on the head. I spent so much of my life getting used to having little money the idea of having plenty to go around is foreign and bizarre to me. The idea of that kind of security is almost freaky because I am so unused to it.

I actually love my job, I love the people I work with, even if the work itself isn't fulfilling per se I enjoy the company I work for. However, I would love to dedicate my time to music and healing and all sorts of other things, but I think there is a deeper issue beyond making money and that is "interacting with the world". I realize that to pursue a lot of my interests requires me engaging with society and forming a social structure around myself and I admit I am nervous about the responsibility wealth would bring with it.

I appreciate everyone's comments, and I suppose it's true I can consider non-physical work to still be valuable and worthwhile, thank you Folk-Love for your compliment in that regard. Maybe I am "adept" enough now to feel comfortable making use of my abilities for others. I admit I am still somewhat wary of social stigma, but I'm sure a lot of that is in my head.

[Jade]

I think of this quote often and indeed just reread session one, where it is stated:

Each of those in this group is striving to use, digest, and diversify the information which we are sending this instrument into the channels of the mind/body/spirit complex without distortion. The few whom you will illuminate by sharing your light are far more than enough reason for the greatest possible effort. To serve one is to serve all. Therefore, we offer the question back to you to state that indeed it is the only activity worth doing: to learn/teach or teach/learn. There is nothing else which is of aid in demonstrating the original thought except your very being, and the distortions that come from the unexplained, inarticulate, or mystery-clad being are many. Thus, to attempt to discern and weave your way through as many group mind/body/spirit distortions as possible among your peoples in the course of your teaching is a very good effort to make. We can speak no more valiantly of your desire to serve.

I too love my coworkers immensely but feel unfulfilled often at my job, and desire to spend more time withdrawn/with my husband, but I try to remember that it's important to mingle my energy amongst others, even if my energy is "better" the longer I'm away from the hub-bub. I think this is part of why we accept the somewhat ridiculous terms employment offers in our society - we are drawn into situations with people who *don't* necessarily share our interests in art and spirituality and maybe live more a mundane existence so they can experience the flavors of vibrations that we offer.

I think acting outside of the traditional money system is a very positive thing to do, and goes with the above. Even if others are judging you for your debt or your minimalist lifestyle or your "menial" job, you are acting as a mirror for them to realize in themselves that the possibility exists to be different and to not be confined by societal norms. Even if a thousand people pass you by with scornful disdain, the one who expands their being by the grace of your presence is The One you are serving.

In Session 2.1, Ra states:

There are few who will grasp, without significant distortion, that which we communicate through this connection with this mind/body/spirit complex.

So Ra is speaking to us, the few, those who desire to learn/teach and therefore teach/learn the Law of One, "the only activity worth doing", and encouraging us to go out and and experience one of the most efficient ways of learn/teaching.

[BrownEye]

Money is a form of energy. It flows in the same way. Personal beliefs define your position except in the case of incarnational boundaries preprogrammed by the higher self. IF you could communicate with Ra they would tell you that YOU ARE SUPPORTED. This means that they create reality around your own beliefs whether they be conscious of unconscious beliefs. Very simple concept. Though the simplest of concepts flies in the face of cultural programming. How do you escape the Matrix?

Theory is neither experience nor creation.

[Unbound]

It really is so simple, isn't it?

I just have to do something with it.

[Billy]

Does having money make life more enjoyable? I imagine having my own yacht or private jet would be quite enjoyable.

[ScottK]

Having money is really quite an interesting learning experience. All that it really does is it accentuates who you are.

I know several people who have given money to people, and since they've done that, believe they have the right to tell that person what to do. The thinking being that since they've given you money that you owe them back. In that way, money is quite a handy tool for STS - it's really one of the most common tools an STS oriented person can use.

One of the great challenges for an STO person with money is to not do that - to use money in a manner which understands the person on the receiving end, and to be reasoned and as unconditional as possible. There's a lot of things to juggle there.. It's a great learning tool.

STS could also use money to gain status in relation to others - to create a greater appearance of being elite.

The STO person could appear like they have greater status than others, but the proof is in one's interactions with others.

There's a myriad of additional catalyst available for those with money - and Tanner, you would do fine with it, but you would just learn a bit more about who you are.. It would also help you go a little further on your path.

From a higher level perspective, part of the issue we have in the world is that those people of STO orientation tend to shy away from money and sabotage themselves from enjoying abundance. Meanwhile, STS folks want as much money as possible, and then they leverage that money to gain power. Hence STS folks have gained control over society - until, of course, their greed and lust for power consume them.

[Unbound]

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edward Burke

I think this is really it, I have to stop thinking that I am somehow evil and I just don't know it and accept that I actually am a good person with good intentions. This quote and idea has been coming up more and more in my mind lately, there are so many good people in the world but so many of them feel there is no need, or it's not their responsibility, to "do" something about the state of the world.

I'm realizing I'm not one of those people who can just sit by and float through my own life and not make use of the goodness I know I have. I think that makes the difference between someone who has a good heart and loves unconditionally, and someone who sees that goodness as a reason to do something. Not that either is better or worse, but there are different kinds of people. I am learning that I am a man of action, and I agree that I think money would just make those elements of myself much more apparent.

I have given myself a duty in this life, not taken or given by anybody else, but a choice I have consciously made in this life. I live to be of service. I won't always be right and I won't always be effective, but I will live my life dedicated to lifting up others wherever is possible, with or without money.

That being said, I have a good feeling I could do a lot of lifting with some more resources...

[Billy]

You go girl.

[Unbound]

[βαθμιαίος]

Ra mentioned Albert Schweitzer as an example of someone who was able to use money in order to be of service to others:

34.10 ... The one known as Albert, who went into a strange and, to it, a barbaric society in order that it might heal. This entity was able to mobilize great amounts of energy and what you call money. This entity spent much green-ray energy both as a healer and as a lover of your instrument known as the organ. This entity’s yellow ray was bright and crystallized by the efforts needed to procure the funds to promulgate its efforts. However, the green and blue rays were of a toweringly brilliant nature as well. The higher levels, as you may call them, being activated, the lower, as you may call them, energy points remain, in a balanced being, quite, quite bright.

I think money is in large measure a yellow-ray thing, so opening yellow ray will be helpful to anyone interested in using money positively. Ra on opening yellow ray: "102.11 ...Each entity must, in order to completely unblock yellow ray, love all which are in relationship to it, with hope only of the other-selves’ joy, peace, and comfort."

[native]

Yes, Schweitzer made use of it and L/L Research functions through donations.

In our society, money = power, and power = ability to do work. Ra suggests "..seeking power in order to serve." They're referring to the disciplines of personality, but part of this experience also involves orange/yellow ray of course. I've had as many hang-ups attempting to understand and work around money as everyone else here, but the truth is, the collective has decided this is how it works here. Anyway you look at it, a lot of effort must be put into motion if you want to serve in a larger capacity, whether that be through social effort to collect donations, or attempting to change entire systems (requiring even more energy).

I've come to a place where I've learned to accept it, mostly because any significant change in that area requires a significant change in the populace's attitude towards it, and a significant restructuring of society. I can see how attempts to restructure society leads to "warring attitudes", so I would rather just view things in a positive light in an attempt to serve, while giving things away for free in the capacity that I'm able to.

Generally speaking, service is done in the moment. By paying attention and working on that subtle level, little opportunities present themselves (what Ra would refer to as being drawn to us), which I think is where the most significant work is done.

I also think we should just learn to enjoy ourselves. We are worth it.

[ScottK]

I've come to a place where I've learned to accept it, mostly because any significant change in that area requires a significant change in the populace's attitude towards it, and a significant restructuring of society. I can see how attempts to restructure society leads to "warring attitudes", so I would rather just view things in a positive light in an attempt to serve, while giving things away for free in the capacity that I'm able to.

I'd like to suggest that the restructuring of money will occur simply because of the process of bankruptcy and change in markets and prices will occur naturally as a result. That will lead to some attitude adjustment - some only.

Real change will not come from a societal level though. That would simply be anti-free will - trading one dictatorship for another. Real change will come from the bottom up. As money changes, watch for it, it'll start then..

I also think we should just learn to enjoy ourselves. We are worth it.

This is worth putting out there again

[Jade]

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edward Burke

I think this is really it, I have to stop thinking that I am somehow evil and I just don't know it and accept that I actually am a good person with good intentions. This quote and idea has been coming up more and more in my mind lately, there are so many good people in the world but so many of them feel there is no need, or it's not their responsibility, to "do" something about the state of the world.

I'm realizing I'm not one of those people who can just sit by and float through my own life and not make use of the goodness I know I have. I think that makes the difference between someone who has a good heart and loves unconditionally, and someone who sees that goodness as a reason to do something. Not that either is better or worse, but there are different kinds of people. I am learning that I am a man of action, and I agree that I think money would just make those elements of myself much more apparent.

I have given myself a duty in this life, not taken or given by anybody else, but a choice I have consciously made in this life. I live to be of service. I won't always be right and I won't always be effective, but I will live my life dedicated to lifting up others wherever is possible, with or without money.

That being said, I have a good feeling I could do a lot of lifting with some more resources...

Tanner, if we took a forum consensus, I'm 100% certain "evil" would never be one of the descriptors used for you. I also think others would agree that you are one of the more service (to others!) oriented people that radiates your being. You answer calls here on the forums with regularity. You work on your own consciousness diligently. If there's one essence of the Law of One that is important that I try to get to sink in more often, it's not what we DO, but who we ARE. Passively radiating your wisdom and knowingness is worth much more than any activity you can facilitate with money. "Give a man a fish/teach a man to fish..."

That's not to say any "action" is worthless. If you feel called to act, wonderful!! You are so young and even if you spend years being introverted and learning about yourself before you turn it into action then I think you are still being efficient.

If positive Wanderers had all the money, the game would be over. This is probably a big reason the majority of us have a "block" here. I think when you have a lot of money and start giving it away, there are free will ramifications to consider. Seeking out entities to minister to is much less efficient than just letting those who need your help cross your path. I know if I'm open and ready and asking for service, someone will appear who can utilize the resources I already have, even if it's just a smile, or a couple bucks to cover the rest of their grocery bill.

[ScottK]

Passively radiating your wisdom and knowingness is worth much more than any activity you can facilitate with money.

I will never quite understand this I guess..

Thinking and believing that a hungry man will be fed and sending positive energy to him seems much less effective than just giving him a sandwich..

[Jade]

It's definitely one of the greatest paradoxes. If all the hungry person truly needs is a meal, then a meal is the answer. If the person is upward reaching and hungers for the Creator and desires not just a meal but a different way of being where abundance is at their fingertips, then wisdom is far more valuable.

[Unbound]

Awesome posts, I'm enjoying this discussion, it is helping me to come to some new perspectives on this topic. Thanks for your comments Jade, I appreciate that, although I amusingly suggest that if I really was super evil then chances are I would want to keep it that way that no one would at all suspect as such aha

I guess I can take the fact that I am pretty much always working with someone on something that there is some call for my services and I am answering. I am also thinking that because money is such a natural part of our society now for most people it may actually help people to feel more familiar with me if I am making more conscious use of it.

[upensmoke]

I didnt read all the post in this thread, but Your thoughts create your reality. If you think you can or if you think you cant.... either way you are right.

If you use and apply the teachings in this book you will be able to obtain the finiacial freedom so many people wish to have. https://archive.org/details/TheScienceOfGettingRich.pdf

The most important part is ACTION TAKE ACTION!!!!! Please give this book a read it is 86 super small pages and has changed my life almost as much as the Law of One has PLease click the link and give it a shot if not to serve your self, then do it as a kind gesture to me. I would be very grateful.

I would also have to add that THE TRUE VALUE OF ANYTHING IS WHAT THE INDIVIDUAL IS WILLING TO PAY be it time or money!!!!!! I personally value knowledge and love above all else. I am fully aware that there are millions of people who would disagree. who is right me or them???? the answer is we are all correct!!!

that is my truth and i hope it helps people

[Unbound]

Did the book work for you?

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Huh, I think I've actually already read this book aha

[upensmoke]

yes it has i updated my first post to include this, also i wouldnt tell people to do something if i myself had not tried it or if I would not do it myself. using the teachings in this book is the same as using the law of attraction. I make an attempt to do so everyday

This book basically explains the LAW OF ATTRACTION in a more left brain way. incase you saw the secret and had trouble using the law of attraction.

The primary principle in the book is to give people more in USE VALUE, then you would recieve in CASH VALUE. in other words perform a service for other selfs that is more valuble than the cash that they give you. the book teaches you how to do so.

it has influence the way i think about life tremdously, in fact you will find similarity with the Law of One in this book But this book is not about spirituality its about using your mind to achieve your goals

[Billy]

What is financial freedom? How much money do you need to be free? Or does that differ from person to person? Interesting topic.

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Money and active service are probably my two biggest sources of discomfort and guilt. The responsibility that comes with both is burdensome at times. Damn good thread.

[Billy]

I read the first chapter of that book and felt quite sad. Not exactly sure why.

[native]

I am also thinking that because money is such a natural part of our society now for most people it may actually help people to feel more familiar with me if I am making more conscious use of it.

One thing we know for certain is that things are entirely overinflated, so I think by cutting good deals with people serves as a source of inspiration..same with offering to trade things.

[Parsons]

Thanks for your comments Jade, I appreciate that, although I amusingly suggest that if I really was super evil then chances are I would want to keep it that way that no one would at all suspect as such aha

I snapped this photo of Tanner and his lackeys... Your secret is out!

[Unbound]

I read the first chapter of that book and felt quite sad. Not exactly sure why.

It didn't really sit with me either, I think because it seems to be not really focused on what is important to me and rather seems to just be a "means to an end". Seems to work for some people though aha

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I am also thinking that because money is such a natural part of our society now for most people it may actually help people to feel more familiar with me if I am making more conscious use of it.

One thing we know for certain is that things are entirely overinflated, so I think by cutting good deals with people serves as a source of inspiration..same with offering to trade things.

I love doing trades and I'm always very flexible with any money exchange, I'm certainly not a hard seller aha

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Thanks for your comments Jade, I appreciate that, although I amusingly suggest that if I really was super evil then chances are I would want to keep it that way that no one would at all suspect as such aha

I snapped this photo of Tanner and his lackeys... Your secret is out!

Ahh, the ol' train trap, I miss the good old days of tying damsels to railroads. So much harder to do with these new electric and magnetic skytrains and subways...

[Blunt Force]

all money comes from other individuals and thus in order to in any way obtain money it must be received from or taken from other individuals

A company is not a physical person.
Btw, do you pay to your neighbour to be your good neighbor with all neighbouring social services?

[Diana]

What is financial freedom?  How much money do you need to be free?  Or does that differ from person to person?  Interesting topic.

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Money and active service are probably my two biggest sources of discomfort and guilt.  The responsibility that comes with both is burdensome at times.  Damn good thread.

Everyone is free from a certain perspective, as we are all free to respond, react, make choices based on the situation.

Money is just about choices in the 3D world. There is so much negative propaganda about money. I call it cabbage, to take the charge out of it.

Greed is an entirely different thing than cabbage (money). 

Financial freedom, in my opinion, is enough cabbage to not worry about cabbage. So, let's say you have enough cabbage in the bank to live for one year. That would be financial freedom if that meant you no longer had the background stress of living month to month. Maybe for another it would be 3 months of living. 

Beyond that, once the stress is relieved, financial freedom takes on another layer. The freedom to have desired experiences. Today, in our 3D world, much desired experience requires cabbage. For instance, a vacation to a lovely beach.

There is nothing wrong with cabbage. That is not to say the financial systems of the world aren't corrupted. But that's greed.

[AngelofDeath]

Some people keep so much cabbage it goes rotten.