The act of eating is a service.

[Diana]

Ah, I see. Allow me to clarify- a "hangup", in the context of my post, refers to a concept which repeatedly gets interjected/projected into various discussions which isn't really about the subject matter at hand. It doesn't mean it is totally off-topic, however. For example, if I had a strong belief that eating ice cream is "wrong", and then proceeded to jump around from thread to thread posting about my beliefs about ice cream, that would constitute a "hangup". Even then, it isn't "wrong" to have a hangup, merely that it is an indicator that there is some underlying concern that it may be helpful to address more directly. For example, if I thought that this forum were being used to recruit people into an "ice cream cult" or something silly like that. Better to just come out and say it, in my opinion.

Got it. I agree that being open about things is best. Thank you for the clarification.

[Cyan]

Oh but this is a cult.

[Oceania]

i'd join one. can we have neopolitan?

[Tenet Nosce]

i'd join one. can we have neopolitan?

[In faux German accent (no offense to Meerie and Ashim )]

NEIN! Vanille oder Schokolade! Du musst eine auswählen Vanille oder Schokolade!

*head spins around precisely seven times, then explodes*

[TheFifty9Sound]

If the Law of One is not easy enough to understand on these matters, we might as well take a look at other teachings.

Matthew 15-11: "It's not what goes into your mouth that defiles you; you are defiled by the words that come out of your mouth."

- Could anyone help me understand this ?

I believe I can offer further comment on this point. Again my view of these teachings is different to that which have often been taught.

In Matthew 15:1-20, Jesus is speaking out against the Pharisees and their overly strict and restrictive religious dogma. The actual point they had challenged him on, was why he does not wash his hands before he eats, as in their view, doing so gains you favour with God, and not doing so goes against his will. Pretty silly right? Demands like this were being taught to the people and it was making it extremely hard for the regular Joe Blow to enter the "Kingdom of Heaven", because he was feeling guilty about not being able to meet every religious criteria. It was impossible to do so without contradicting yourself. (Still relevant today, eh?)

Matthew 15
1. Some Pharisees and teachers of religious law now arrived from Jerusalem to see Jesus. They asked him, 2. “Why do your disciples disobey our age-old tradition? For they ignore our tradition of ceremonial hand washing before they eat.”

3. Jesus replied, “And why do you, by your traditions, violate the direct commandments of God? 4. For instance, God says, ‘Honor your father and mother,’ and ‘Anyone who speaks disrespectfully of father or mother must be put to death.’ 5. But you say it is all right for people to say to their parents, ‘Sorry, I can’t help you. For I have vowed to give to God what I would have given to you.’ 6. In this way, you say they don’t need to honor their parents. And so you cancel the word of God for the sake of your own tradition.

Now a little further down, he brings up the point I was putting forward earlier in this thread, about the concept of right and wrong coming from within your own heart.

16. “Don’t you understand yet?” Jesus asked. 17. “Anything you eat passes through the stomach and then goes into the sewer. 18. But the words you speak come from the heart—that’s what defiles you. 19. For from the heart come evil thoughts, murder, adultery, all sexual immorality, theft, lying, and slander. 20. These are what defile you. Eating with unwashed hands will never defile you.”

Jesus is trying to tell us that our concept of right and wrong, our ability to get into the "Kingdom of Heaven" (which I think is a synonym for 4th Density), is weighed against what is in our heart. Not by what food we eat (Unless of course, what we're eating goes against what is in out hearts!), and by extension, not by blindly following laws and dogma.

Now, a slight tangent, but still relevant.

I am not offended by swearing. I love swearing. To me, swearing is not wrong or evil or offensive. In my heart, I do not feel guilt or shame for cursing, and I do not judge others in a negative manner for cursing either. For me to swear, I'm not doing the "wrong" thing.

But here is the kicker..

My swearing CAN become the "wrong" thing to do if we truly realise Unity. If I was to swear in front of an elderly lady, who I know would feel victimised by someone using that language in a conversation with her, I then become a victim. For is not to teach to learn? To honour to be honoured? To give to receive? To victimise is to become a victim.

Now if I did do that, she has the opportunity to forgive me, stopping the wheel of Karma right there and then, or judge me. If she judges me, is she not really judging herself? For if she so much as thinks the word I have used, in the manner I used it, she is subject to the same judgement. However if she forgives me, she is forgiving herself for any future or past indiscretions. This could go back and forth forever.

This concept is outlined multiple times in Matthew.

Matthew 6
14. “If you forgive those who sin against you, your heavenly Father will forgive you. 15. But if you refuse to forgive others, your Father will not forgive your sins.

Matthew 7
1. “Do not judge others, and you will not be judged. 2. For you will be treated as you treat others. The standard you use in judging is the standard by which you will be judged.

Matthew 20
16. “So those who are last now will be first then, and those who are first will be last.”

This next one is a nice illustration of the STO right hand and the STS left hand path.

Matthew 25
34. “Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father, inherit the Kingdom prepared for you from the creation of the world. 35. For I was hungry, and you fed me. I was thirsty, and you gave me a drink. I was a stranger, and you invited me into your home. 36. I was naked, and you gave me clothing. I was sick, and you cared for me. I was in prison, and you visited me.’

37. “Then these righteous ones will reply, ‘Lord, when did we ever see you hungry and feed you? Or thirsty and give you something to drink? 38. Or a stranger and show you hospitality? Or naked and give you clothing? 39. When did we ever see you sick or in prison and visit you?’

40. “And the King will say, ‘I tell you the truth, when you did it to one of the least of these my brothers and sisters, you were doing it to me!’

41. “Then the King will turn to those on the left and say, ‘Away with you, you cursed ones, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his demons. 42. For I was hungry, and you didn’t feed me. I was thirsty, and you didn’t give me a drink. 43. I was a stranger, and you didn’t invite me into your home. I was naked, and you didn’t give me clothing. I was sick and in prison, and you didn’t visit me.’

44. “Then they will reply, ‘Lord, when did we ever see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison, and not help you?’

45. “And he will answer, ‘I tell you the truth, when you refused to help the least of these my brothers and sisters, you were refusing to help me.’

And just to cap things off, anything that you do involving people who feel and think the same way, is fine. To keep with the swearing example, if I am to curse amongst friends who also enjoy cursing, then no one is offended, no one is hurt.

Matthew 18
19. “I also tell you this: If two of you agree here on earth concerning anything you ask, my Father in heaven will do it for you.

As Monica would point out, this is all relative to the STO path, as that's what Jesus was teaching. The rules would differ for those trying to polarise STS.

[Oceania]

so if i get another person that wants the world to turn into a gay circus with flying cars, god will do it?

[Monica]

Yes, I can see how if I decided to torture somebody, that would most likely be depolarizing! But other scenarios come to mind that aren't so straightforward, methinks.

First scenario is: Emotional entrapment. You know, the kind of person who gets butthurt at the drop of a hat? Then, supposedly because you know that some word or action is going to "cause" them to be butthurt, it becomes even more your fault (in their mind) when it happens? What I am getting at is, especially on an emotional level, there is a decision being made to suffer. People are entirely in control of how they wish to perceive a situation, and when it comes down to it, isn't most emotional suffering due to one's own perception? I'm gonna stick with the Buddha on this one!

In a case like this, intention is the determining factor. If I am just being me, and someone decides they don't like me and they get all butthurt, that isn't my fault and it's not depolarizing to me if I express myself. However, if I knowingly and consciously say or do something for the purpose of annoying or harming another person, that's entirely different. Then it's not because I'm just naturally being me, but am intentionally trying to get a reaction from someone. Intention is key.

Just as accidentally stepping on someone's toe isn't depolarizing in the least, but doing it intentionally, to harm the person, is.

Second scenario is: Necessary physical pain. Occasionally, it is necessary to suffer some form of physical pain NOW in order to avoid a greater pain, or even death, later. I can think of some really gory examples, but a rather tame one would be ingrown toenail removal. Is the doc depolarizing in causing their patient to suffer in the short term in the hopes of reducing suffering in the long term?

No. It's not so literal as that! We have to apply some common sense here. If the doc is motivated by his/her desire to help the patient, then it's polarizing positive. If, however, s/he delights in seeing the patient suffer, regardless of the final outcome, then that's not the same...

[abstrktion]

If light is information, and radiating light is just radiating information, the amount of light being connected to the amount of compassion coupled with knowledge, how does that become "control"?

Well... if only certain sources of light/information are radiated while other sources are willfully held back (ie we will only promote thoughts and ideas which support our agenda, while ignoring, limiting, or loudly squawking over, those viewpoints which contradict our agenda), then that would constitute manipulation- which is a form of control.

If we freely shared all available sources of light/information on a topic, and then encouraged our audience to weigh the entire body of information against their own inner guidance, then that wouldn't be control.

For example, if we were to a priori define "compassion" in a specific way, so as to preemptively exclude different understandings of "compassion", that would be control. If we encouraged others to seek compassion on their own terms and timeline, and then trusted that they would be eventually led to what we believe it means (because of course we are right about it ), that wouldn't be control.

This was so well put I just wanted to acknowledge it. Thanks Tenet!

[TheFifty9Sound]

so if i get another person that wants the world to turn into a gay circus with flying cars, god will do it?

I know you're only being facetious. But on that point, you kinda need to read between the lines at times. Anyone who has ever read a Chinese menu translated into English knows how lost in translation simple things can get. Jesus spoke Aramaic, his words got written in Greek and then translated into English.

When Jesus is talking about his "Father" I think sometimes he is talking about his conscience or perhaps higher self (though I'm yet to fully grasp the concept of the higher self).. Whatever part of us that is most connected to the Infinite Creator. And as I said earlier, I'm currently running under the theory that "Heaven" might be 4D. So when we read "My father in heaven will do it for you", I read it as, "It is compatible with my 4D vibrations".

..Or something. Haha!

[3DMonkey]

Interesting that Jesus said all that stuff about defilement and this and this and that, and all that came out of his mouth was "forgive forgive forgive forgive forgive forgive forgive forgive no matter what the offense forgive forgive forgive"

Interesting indeed. We take what we need and we leave the rest.

[Monica]

Interesting that Jesus said all that stuff about defilement and this and this and that, and all that came out of his mouth was "forgive forgive forgive forgive forgive forgive forgive forgive no matter what the offense forgive forgive forgive"

Interesting indeed. We take what we need and we leave the rest.

I agree. I wonder how much of the words attributed to Jesus was stuff he actually said, and how much came from his followers who wrote the books. The books were written decades after his death.

But the part about "love your neighbor" and "forgive 70 times 7" is so profound, such higher knowledge, that it had to come from a master. So I think that part must be authentic.

[Oceania]

isn't it enough to just forgive in a meh like fashion

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so if i get another person that wants the world to turn into a gay circus with flying cars, god will do it?

I know you're only being facetious. But on that point, you kinda need to read between the lines at times. Anyone who has ever read a Chinese menu translated into English knows how lost in translation simple things can get. Jesus spoke Aramaic, his words got written in Greek and then translated into English.

When Jesus is talking about his "Father" I think sometimes he is talking about his conscience or perhaps higher self (though I'm yet to fully grasp the concept of the higher self).. Whatever part of us that is most connected to the Infinite Creator. And as I said earlier, I'm currently running under the theory that "Heaven" might be 4D. So when we read "My father in heaven will do it for you", I read it as, "It is compatible with my 4D vibrations".

..Or something. Haha!

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is it related to "those who seek together find better"

[TheFifty9Sound]

Interesting that Jesus said all that stuff about defilement and this and this and that, and all that came out of his mouth was "forgive forgive forgive forgive forgive forgive forgive forgive no matter what the offense forgive forgive forgive"

Interesting indeed. We take what we need and we leave the rest.

I agree. I wonder how much of the words attributed to Jesus was stuff he actually said, and how much came from his followers who wrote the books. The books were written decades after his death.

But the part about "love your neighbor" and "forgive 70 times 7" is so profound, such higher knowledge, that it had to come from a master. So I think that part must be authentic.

This is essentially where I became interested in the Christianity. I've never been a model Christian or took my Catholic roots serious enough to become a "devout" Catholic. The channeled material that I resonated with so much all seemed to say the LOO is in the bible, if you look hard enough, and my girlfriend is an East Texas Baptist. So I figured seems the LOO and my girlfriend are both important to me, I should at least make an effort to understand the bible.

This really is another conversation for another thread, but in short (and I really will try and keep it short!), my seeking has brought me the following.

- The first 3 gospels (Matthew, Mark & Luke) are overwhelmingly positive, if read with disgression. (You need really need to go back to the Greek and Aramaic roots of words to get the, let's say, full flavor of the key concepts i.e the word "sin" was not used as we understand it)
- The Gospel of John is a completely different read. Only in this gospel does Jesus call himself the "Son of God" and not the "Son of Man".
- The Christian Gnostic tradition bears ALOT of similarities to the LOO, especially in regards to the shall we say, galactic spiritual sense. They even go as far as to say Christ was CHANNELED by Jesus. (Q'uo said the same thing)
- Once Paul got his hands on Christianity, he brought his Pharisee frame of mind and stamped it all over Jesus' words. Who he never even met mind you. Paul's work makes up nearly 50% of the NT.
- In 325AD, Constantine declared that all Arian text (in which the Gnostic tradition was lumped under) be destroyed, and anyone who was caught with them and had not turned them in would be put to death.
- The Gnostic tradition put the responsibily of right and wrong and spiritual salvation on the individual. Constantine was in the business of conquering and ruling. He couldn't have people believing that! We didn't know much about the Gnostic tradition, other than what was mentioned in letters, until 1945 when the Nag Hammadi texts were discovered.

The church proceeded the bible, not the other way round. I think it's important to remember that the texts that were selected we're those that supported a ruling authority. Had the Gospel of John not been included, the rest of the NT wouldn't have a leg to stand on, because only in John does it proclaim that Jesus was the Son of God and believing in him was the only way to salvation. John is the only Gospel that takes the power out of the hands of the individual. I'm not saying The Gospel of John was forged, or that it doesn't have any positive messages, but I definitely think in the least it was altered.

In any case, I'm overly enthusiastic about all this, because this is what I've been working on for the past month, and I'm yet to share these thoughts with anyone! I'm constantly learning new things the more I dig, and there is always a chance I'll have a completely different take on things next week!

Also, the thing I love so much about the Nag Hammadi texts, is that they layed in the earth for 1700 years, untouched, and yet somehow, they still carry the same flavor as what Ra gave us 30 only years ago.

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is it related to "those who seek together find better"

Could be. I'm the first to admit I'm not a religious scholar. It's entirely possible I'm only looking for meanings that align with what I already believe.

[Shin'Ar]

The human Being, as a process of the evolving All, evolves based upon their discrimination of opposites and the choices they make around such discrimination.

And if an individual discerns that apparent opposites are actually two sides of the same coin then... ?

I would just not want someone to misinterpret your words to mean that if we accept that we can by nature also be evil, that simple understanding of that makes evil suddenly a good thing, or creates a situation where there is no real aspect of difference between good and evil.

Shin'Ar- I accept your point, and even agree with it! But if I may ask, you appear to be reiterating this point over and over again in multiple threads. What's the hangup about, web-friend? Personally, I don't believe I have observed any regular members here advocating for "evil".

Perhaps it would be instructive for me to know your definition of "evil". How does one discern evil intentions in another?

First of All,

My fond thanks to Diana for standing up to the bully. Even though he was actually just being his old self. No threat was taken and yet I think we can all see how TN is a little aggressive at times. But that is his nature and I am sort of fond of the guy to be honest.

Now with regard to those 'many posts', I need to make it clear that those are threads that were posted BEFORE the mods made it clear to me that it was unacceptable to speak on similar issues in different threads because it might appear as proselytizing. I admit that I find ti difficult to avoid that as there are certain topics that pop up in a variety of threads that are always related to STS, etc., and I have had to avoid responding to those particular discussions because I had already spoken on them in another thread. For some reason the way I express myself causes me to run into issues with violating guidelines that no one else seems to have, and so I try to be mindful of what I write and do a lot of editing of, and avoiding of, threads lately.

So let me be clear that I have NOT been recently preaching about good and evil in many threads here recently.

secondly, this particular response in this thread was in answer to Monica's inquiry about whether or not the human can really know right from wrong. There is no hang up, or desire to preach on my part. I want to choose to believe that TN was not deliberately trying to open a nasty can o worms when he made his post but was seriously wanting to understand my reasoning.

But I admit to not really knowing why he seemed to think that I had suddenly become focused on good and evil. So I really can't respond anyway, even I was allowed. I thought I made it very clear, as Diana was kind enough to point out, that in my opinion, I think that people instinctively and inherently know right from wrong. It is a result of evolution.

As to further clarifying my definition of evil, I feel that I would probably be treading on moderators tolerance levels at that point so I will have to balk.

[Tenet Nosce]

Shin'Ar- My apologies if you felt "bullied".

secondly, this particular response in this thread was in answer to Monica's inquiry about whether or not the human can really know right from wrong.

Actually, I thought the quote was from your reply to TheEternal:

I would just not want someone to misinterpret your words to mean that if we accept that we can by nature also be evil, that simple understanding of that makes evil suddenly a good thing, or creates a situation where there is no real aspect of difference between good and evil.

So you were still responding to Monica? That's probably where I got confused.

seriously wanting to understand my reasoning.

Yes- I was seriously wanting to understand if you really believe that people in this forum are advocating for evil.

And if so, how you are defining evil. If you offered this information earlier, I am still missing it. The best I think I can come up with is that you would say evil is going against one's inner moral compass. But I much prefer to ask people to restate their own beliefs rather than put words into their mouths.

But I admit to not really knowing why he seemed to think that I had suddenly become focused on good and evil.

I think it had something to do with this post, where you used the word "good" seven times, and the word "evil" nine times. Not that there is something "wrong" with that- actually "good and evil" is one of the topics being discussed relative to eating as a service. So you were on point.

The question I had was not about why you were talking about "good and evil" in general it was about why you felt moved to issue a warning/admonition against people thinking that evil is good, based on the previous discussion. I just was unable to follow how the previous discussion could lead a reader to conclude that "evil is good".

You appear to have a marked concern about people concluding that "evil is good" and using that to justify and make excuses for morally reprehensible acts. I'm interested to know what drives this concern. For example, have you seen this happen in your own life with somebody you know? Or are you concerned about society and the general lack of moral character? Or...?

[Shin'Ar]

I can see where you got confused tenet, and don't worry about our interactions, we have spoken enough to know each other and our characters.

My repsonse came a little later than it should have followed up and got out of synch.

originally i was responding to Monica's post where she stated that she was not sure that we are able to know the difference.

I replied briefly and than Patrick posted and said he would like to discuss it further. Than I made the post that you quoted here. And yes the topic did lead to a defining of good and evil which as I said I must be careful about so I do not come across as preaching. Your perception is proof that I am still having a problem expressing myself without seeming to be preaching. I am still working on that my fiend.

All I can do is make sure that I always add to my posts that these are nothing more than my personal thoughts on matters being discussed and I am not trying to recruit anyone to any particular religion, as I do not belong to any. I am obviously not expressing my thoughts in ways that will not be taken that way but I am trying to rewrite my posts so that I do not draw attention to myself.

That said tenet, I am still not sure what you are asking me though.

You claim I have made an admonition to people about mistaking good for evil, and you are not sure how that is pertinent to the discussion. Can you quote the place where I made you think that, so I can respond to it, and can you tell me why my stating that I would have a concern about that would be confusing to you?

And I can't say for sure that I will be able to respond fully because it will depend upon how this discussion seems to be looking to the mods. I cannot breach the trust they have placed in me. So I must be very discerning about how I respond and what topics I get involved in. I do have a thread called The Eyes of a Stranger where the mods want me to restrict certain opinions to. if you want to open this discussion there.

[BrownEye]

It's entirely possible I'm only looking for meanings that align with what I already believe.

Everybody does this. Most are not looking for anything that will change their views. Of course Spirit may push them into it, and rub their face in it.

The Bible is sooo twisted around. I have a nice link for the NT somewhere, that lets you check each and every word by itself as to its original Greek meaning. By doing this you can find a lot of additions, some where they even added devil or satan where there was no mention. There are full on conspiracies based on text that was created out of thin air.

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Yes, there is a "right and wrong" way to go about eating, and what to eat as well.

Anyone that does consciousness work can look into the progress of any person on this forum, or anybody in the world for that matter. What I notice is that the folks that are happy with how things are now, are not changing. What this means is a continuation of the 3D experience. Their choice whether they are aware of this or not.

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Checking on Shin, he really is an elder, (I assumed he was just a nut). Although while being an old Soul he has also not remembered everything, and is stuck in this circle until he remembers just a bit more LMAO! Get on it Shin buddy

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Stems cells are only one thing to change in your DNA. What about your emotional engrams... the energy which allows consciousness? There are those in this room that need to hear this. Who is it you won't forgive? Who is it you think has etched in to your life something that you can never forget, and that you wake up every day with it? I know who's here. Remember... when a cell divides, let us call it a brain cell, it asks, "The same or different?" Have you talked to your cells about this? Do you want this in your life forever? "The same or different?" Your DNA can become more benevolent if you wish it to. It's more peaceful, if you want it to. Even an event, which caused that groove of horror to be etched into your brain that you feel can never be forgotten, can be rewritten into balance! Do you see what we are telling you? You are in control! Are you paying attention? You can rewrite anything. That's the power of the Human being in this new energy.

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Choices are always available LoL!

please help us understand the increase of allergies. What can we do to heal this phenomenon?

ANSWER: Reduce the steps in your food chain, which are adding chemistry to fresh food.

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As in all things biological, your body is your partner. If it knows what your intent is, it’ll help you by cooperating. If you leave body consciousness out of the process, it will simply “react” instead of cooperate.

[BrownEye]

what is meant by an "old soul"? Does having lived many lives mean that you’re a slow learner or that you’re unable to ascend or increase your vibration?

ANSWER: When we use the term old soul, it refers to a Human Being who’s been on Earth so many times that they come in with spiritual knowledge that sits on them like a mantel. They have "been there and done that." This doesn’t make them dense at all. Instead, it makes them very ready for the next step in Earth’s spiritual growth. They’re the ones who will awaken first.

[Monica]

The Bible is sooo twisted around. I have a nice link for the NT somewhere, that lets you check each and every word by itself as to its original Greek meaning. By doing this you can find a lot of additions, some where they even added devil or satan where there was no mention. There are full on conspiracies based on text that was created out of thin air.

Yes, very true. I was really into looking up the original Greek and Hebrew for awhile there (many years ago) because I wanted "the original meaning."

But later I realized, so what, even if I could fully understand what was originally written, it was still written by humans, or channeled by humans. Why should I put any more faith into it than into any other channeled work? It just so happens that this particular channeled work was used by those in power to control the masses.

What I notice is that the folks that are happy with how things are now, are not changing. What this means is a continuation of the 3D experience. Their choice whether they are aware of this or not.

OMG this really blew my mind!

Checking on Shin, he really is an elder, (I assumed he was just a nut).

I agree about Shin. (The elder part, not the nut part, haha!)

Stems cells are only one thing to change in your DNA. What about your emotional engrams... the energy which allows consciousness? There are those in this room that need to hear this. Who is it you won't forgive? Who is it you think has etched in to your life something that you can never forget, and that you wake up every day with it? I know who's here. Remember... when a cell divides, let us call it a brain cell, it asks, "The same or different?" Have you talked to your cells about this? Do you want this in your life forever? "The same or different?" Your DNA can become more benevolent if you wish it to. It's more peaceful, if you want it to. Even an event, which caused that groove of horror to be etched into your brain that you feel can never be forgotten, can be rewritten into balance! Do you see what we are telling you? You are in control! Are you paying attention? You can rewrite anything. That's the power of the Human being in this new energy.

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Choices are always available LoL!

please help us understand the increase of allergies. What can we do to heal this phenomenon?

ANSWER: Reduce the steps in your food chain, which are adding chemistry to fresh food.

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As in all things biological, your body is your partner. If it knows what your intent is, it’ll help you by cooperating. If you leave body consciousness out of the process, it will simply “react” instead of cooperate.

This was all very profound and quite timely. I am doing a cleanse and some old emotions came up and I knew it was the physical substance letting go, and thus releasing the emotional component that was attached to it. I've had this experience before, when I did some Chinese herbs. It was amazing how certain emotions that correlate to certain body parts, would systematically release as the herbs for that body part was used. Chinese medicine really understands this.

[Tenet Nosce]

I can see where you got confused tenet, and don't worry about our interactions, we have spoken enough to know each other and our characters.

My repsonse came a little later than it should have followed up and got out of synch.

Ah- that is probably why I had a different perception of it.

You claim I have made an admonition to people about mistaking good for evil, and you are not sure how that is pertinent to the discussion. Can you quote the place where I made you think that, so I can respond to it, and can you tell me why my stating that I would have a concern about that would be confusing to you?

Yes, it is the same quote I referred to before. But if you were responding to Monica, rather than TheEternal, that changes my perception of the quote. So it really is a moot point now.

I do have a thread called The Eyes of a Stranger where the mods want me to restrict certain opinions to. if you want to open this discussion there.

I will keep that in mind!

[3DMonkey]

Checking on Shin, he really is an elder, (I assumed he was just a nut).

I agree about Shin. (The elder part, not the nut part, haha!)

Now do me

[Patrick]

Thank you everyone. Very interesting discussion.

Here is my conclusion regarding right and wrong.

Each of us judges what is right and what is wrong for the Self. And this incredible power comes from the spirit complex, which is the part of us that brings self-awareness.

Personally I follow my intuition much more than my mind on these matters. Do you think that our intuition comes more from the spirit complex than from the mind complex?

[Monica]

Now do me

OK. You're not a nut, Monkey. You're a flower!

[Shin'Ar]

Thank you everyone. Very interesting discussion.

Here is my conclusion regarding right and wrong.

Each of us judges what is right and what is wrong for the Self. And this incredible power comes from the spirit complex, which is the part of us that brings self-awareness.

Personally I follow my intuition much more than my mind on these matters. Do you think that our intuition comes more from the spirit complex than from the mind complex?

I don't think your terminology would fit into Ra's usage of the complex form.
I would say that all intuition is bound in the Intelligent Energy and is accessed by consciousness as it evolves to higher understanding. The higher it evolves the more of the One Consciousness and its resources it can access and interpret. I also think that just as memory within this present incarnation can be triggered by certain events and situations, akashic memory and/or intuitive ability can also be triggered in the consciousness.

How often have you had an experience that reminded you of something that happened in your childhood, and then suddenly, because that memory was triggered, you can now recall the entire past experience with clarity and fullness?

In this same way the consciousness has access to the many ancient memories of the One Consciousness, the All, and the ability to open/connect/interact with those ancient 'records' is activated through various means.

So in a sense Pickle is absolutely right. There is much that I have to remember and learn. Yet I would consider myself as much of a 'nut' as anyone else daring to speculate on such things as though it was all possible.

But, we all know what we find inside a nut!

[Cyan]

We call concious access of past events memory, and we call the concious access of future memories foresight.

Imho, both tend to be just as fluid!

[Shin'Ar]

We call conscious access of past events memory, and we call the conscious access of future memories foresight.

Imho, both tend to be just as fluid!

Foresight is just a further aspect of infinity. Hense the fluidity.

In my way of thinking existence itself is memory, for the instant that a thought is born into existence it becomes a past event, and memory.

There is nothing but memory in an infinite design.

Though what is to come is unknown and forever elusive, in infinity it is already memory.

[Patrick]

Thank you everyone. Very interesting discussion.

Here is my conclusion regarding right and wrong.

Each of us judges what is right and what is wrong for the Self. And this incredible power comes from the spirit complex, which is the part of us that brings self-awareness.

Personally I follow my intuition much more than my mind on these matters. Do you think that our intuition comes more from the spirit complex than from the mind complex?

I don't think your terminology would fit into Ra's usage of the complex form.
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My friend, could you share with us your understanding of Ra's usage of the complex form ?

[3DMonkey]

Thank you everyone. Very interesting discussion.

Here is my conclusion regarding right and wrong.

Each of us judges what is right and what is wrong for the Self. And this incredible power comes from the spirit complex, which is the part of us that brings self-awareness.

Personally I follow my intuition much more than my mind on these matters. Do you think that our intuition comes more from the spirit complex than from the mind complex?

... Let's see... The Mind says "intuition" and also thinks "spirit complex", so IMO what is the spirit is spirit, and since we are thinking about intuition, it must be the mind.

(aside: we have "thought-form", we probably have a 'mystery-thought' too. Why stop there, could we have a form-mystery?)

[Patrick]

Thank you everyone. Very interesting discussion.

Here is my conclusion regarding right and wrong.

Each of us judges what is right and what is wrong for the Self. And this incredible power comes from the spirit complex, which is the part of us that brings self-awareness.

Personally I follow my intuition much more than my mind on these matters. Do you think that our intuition comes more from the spirit complex than from the mind complex?

... Let's see... The Mind says "intuition" and also thinks "spirit complex", so IMO what is the spirit is spirit, and since we are thinking about intuition, it must be the mind.

(aside: we have "thought-form", we probably have a 'mystery-thought' too. Why stop there, could we have a form-mystery?)

The spirit, being a shuttle, brings knowledge and yes it has to pass through our mind before we become aware of it. So intuition is the info from the One (spirit) filtered through our biases (mind) ?

[3DMonkey]

It isn't "intuition" until we think it's intuition, whatever that means.

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To me, it means that "intuition" is of the mind.