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Thanks, Pablisimo, for getting this thread back on track!
I've seen this video and I think it's actually very balanced and objective, in contrast to some that seem to be making an already inflammatory topic even more inflammatory. This video offers information and education, and backs up its facts.
I agree that the commentary may have some elements of bias. However, the actual video footage of the slaughterhouses isn't biased, because it's factual.
It's sort of like being in a courtroom, observing a murder trial. Both attorneys offer their biased opinions, about the guilt or innocence of the defendant. But when graphic pictures of the victim are shown to the jury, that isn't bias. That's FACT.
I have a friend who took her children to a slaughterhouse, so they could decide for themselves whether to eat animals or not. I really admired her action. Her children made their decisions based on FACT, not biased commentary from Mom.
Excellent point!
Exactly why people don't like to see video footage of slaughterhouses. And yet, it's real.
And mine as well.
I know you're referring to mammals such as chimps, dogs, etc. But what of dolphins and whales, who may be even more intelligent than the smartest humans?
Here's what Q'uo had to say about dolphins and whales:
Excerpted from http://www.llresearch.org/transcripts/is..._0120.aspx
Dolphins are routinely killed in fishing nets. Whales are still hunted in some parts of the world. Both are held captive and forced to do tricks for their sustenance, at theme parks.
(05-03-2010, 06:48 PM)Pablísimo Wrote: This video is very anti-meat industry. Note that I have stated repeatedly that I am more upset with factory farming than meat eating itself. I think some common ground for vegetarians and omnivores should be improving conditions in which animals are raised.
NOTE - THIS VIDEO IS VERY GRAPHIC, DON'T WATCH IF YOU DO NOT WISH TO SEE SLAUGHTERHOUSE ACTIVITY.
http://www.meat.org/index-1.asp?c=gwdpba0510
Obviously, the link above is biased
Thanks, Pablisimo, for getting this thread back on track!
I've seen this video and I think it's actually very balanced and objective, in contrast to some that seem to be making an already inflammatory topic even more inflammatory. This video offers information and education, and backs up its facts.
I agree that the commentary may have some elements of bias. However, the actual video footage of the slaughterhouses isn't biased, because it's factual.
It's sort of like being in a courtroom, observing a murder trial. Both attorneys offer their biased opinions, about the guilt or innocence of the defendant. But when graphic pictures of the victim are shown to the jury, that isn't bias. That's FACT.
I have a friend who took her children to a slaughterhouse, so they could decide for themselves whether to eat animals or not. I really admired her action. Her children made their decisions based on FACT, not biased commentary from Mom.
(04-29-2010, 07:37 AM)Ali Quadir Wrote: Everyone who has or has had animals should know that the mammal brain is practically identical to human brains.. They experience our range of emotions and sensations. This isn't a surprise.. What is surprising is that people often fail to realize this. They think animals have no feelings, packets of meat devoid of those qualities we call human. Those qualities aren't human, they're mammalian it doesn't matter what we call them.
Excellent point!
(04-29-2010, 07:37 AM)Ali Quadir Wrote: eating animals requires a certain perceived distance between the self and the food.
Exactly why people don't like to see video footage of slaughterhouses. And yet, it's real.
(05-03-2010, 06:48 PM)Pablísimo Wrote: P.S. This exerpt was re-posted upon admin request due to having been lost inadvertently in the recent modification.
And mine as well.
(04-29-2010, 07:37 AM)Ali Quadir Wrote: Dumber specimens of human, are easily outsmarted by smarter specimens of other mammals. And most mammals have pretty much our exact emotional structure. They can feel the full range of our emotions. They just lack our cerebral capacity and opposable thumbs.
I know you're referring to mammals such as chimps, dogs, etc. But what of dolphins and whales, who may be even more intelligent than the smartest humans?
Here's what Q'uo had to say about dolphins and whales:
Quote:Just as your species has had its evolution interrupted by genetic manipulation many thousands of your years in the past, so has the evolution of those known to you as dolphins and whales and other cetaceans such as porpoises been interrupted, not by those from elsewhere than your planet but by those on the island-continent you have called Atlantis.
The consciousness of these mammals was enhanced by the genetic manipulation which caused the so-called human and the so-called cetacean [2] to be bonded and blended and unified into that which had every appearance of being a cetacean, yet that which now possessed a spirit complex of third-density level.
Thusly, the natural process of reproduction gradually invested all of these species with third-density consciousness. Consequently, you and the whales and dolphins are indeed brothers, moving through the third-density major cycle of 76,000 or so of your years.
The necessity to engage in a dialogue between humans and dolphins, humans and whales, and humans and porpoises is attractive and compelling to many of your scientists, who grasp the unusual intelligence of these ocean-going mammals. Perhaps we may say that the best way to learn from the cetaceans of your planet is to imagine how you might experience third density if your field of endeavor were limited to those activities which could be accomplished without the use of hands with the opposable thumbs which the one known as T mentioned in his query.
(snip)
Your world is full of limits: on this side is your property, on the other, someone else’s. In your closet are your clothes, not someone else’s. You spend a good deal of your time amassing your stockpile of useful and desirable items and these, too, must be maintained. Batteries need changing, power cords must be found. The list goes on and on.
This is in stark contrast to your brothers and sisters who are able to ride freely through the ever-changing waters where food is plentiful and is found with no discernable effort, where all waters are acceptable in temperature, where there is no money to make and there are no goods to buy. There is nothing to store up against a harsh winter or old age. There is only the air to breathe, the water in which to swim, companionship and the dreams, meditations and contemplations of all the years of life.
What can you learn from the contemplation of these differences, my brother? It was the choice of those Atlanteans who volunteered for the experiments in genetics to choose these beautiful animals. The politics of their home in Atlantis seemed to them to be questionable in polarity [and so it seemed] desirable to them, therefore, to use their technology to embark upon a great adventure.
These, then, who swim the seas of your time, are the descendants of the philosophers and sages who saw a better way to move through the spiritual evolution of third density, choosing not so much service to others as a refusal to live in service to self.
Excerpted from http://www.llresearch.org/transcripts/is..._0120.aspx
Dolphins are routinely killed in fishing nets. Whales are still hunted in some parts of the world. Both are held captive and forced to do tricks for their sustenance, at theme parks.