1998.04.04 Quo on afterlife

[Siren]

On one hand you suggest that the dead return to visit their loved ones, and on what evidence you base that I do not know,

The "dead" do not necessarily need to return to visit anyone; however, they may do so.

(The evidence is nothing but direct, empirical experience. And on that note: none of these have been "ghosts" of my relatives, but random, unknown 3rd-density "dead dudes." I was never interested in them for them to pay me a visit. They simply appear to be lost and stranded, and I just simply happen to be there.)

and yet, on the other hand you state that there is no death,

Let's define death as: the cessation of viability of the physical body. In this sense, yes there is death, and there is plenty of death! One is born and dies multiple times, hundreds, thousands of times. It is simply the phasing in and phasing out from space/time to time/space. Why would it matter anyway? Why not count every rebirth as well? I always found it most curious how people place so much emphasis on "death."

and then, if you had yet another hand, and of that I admit that I also do not know, you declare that the disincarnate is naught but a 'personality shell/construct'.

Yes, the discarnate is as much a personality shell/construct as the incarnate.

I am glad that you have no more hands on which to count your many variations of what is.

You amuse me, Shin'Ar. Maybe I can use my fingers?

But your temporary identity still struggles with the reality of your 'personality shell/construct'.

I wouldn't consider it as struggle, but a challenge/catalyst/opportunity—one which I am more than perfectly fine with; after all, I chose it. I—that is, the one behind the name and the face and the image of the one who goes by the name of R. Kallisti here in this incarnation—am using this personality construct as a public figure and stage persona, if you will, to walk among a 3rd-density population. In this sense, I have totally become a 3rd-density entity.

And you seem confident until one reads your words and sees the confusion and contradiction.

I propose we leave my confusion and contradiction to the discernment of each reader.

This is not meant as an insult for we all seek to discern our thought processes and make sense of our speculations in the quest for truth and knowledge. I simply remind you of that.

And I appreciate it. The feeling is mutual.

Now, death is very real. You will meet it quite intimately one day.

I already have.

But this is the death of the temporary vehicle only.

Precisely.

Nevertheless, in that experience, it is the certain death and final experience of that identity.

Here we must differ. Perhaps we fall within the confines of semantics once again, but "identity" does not cease. Do you really suppose, Shin'Ar, that at the end of your present incarnation "you" will cease to be? My friend, this "you" that you are now will very much remain as the energy signature that characterizes you; "you", with all your harvested experience will remain, and more shall be added unto you even; or rather, this experience/memory of "you" shall be added to that infinitely rich, varied and unique resource of living memory-consciousness that is your "oversoul."

Nothing is lost, not even the tiniest speck of dust.

In the Inbetween that identity does not continue to exist as some immortal entity. And it shall certainly not return to existence as that identity. That which was is memory, and survives only as stored memory in the fields with which it connected.

Perhaps I do begin to grasp what you are attempting to convey. If I understand you correctly, I would agree 100% with you on this. Let's just take a Russian 44-year-old female surgeon as an example. Let's call her Dr. Lukyanova. Let's quickly trace her life in our imagination, from birth to child to adolescent to adult to present moment. A typical life, with nothing exceptionally outstanding: non-professing Catholic, somewhat agnostic, married at the age of 24 and had 3 children. An average middle-class life of relative comfort and good financial stability. She dies tonight.

It is her "identity," as the personality construct that she is, that passes on to the "afterlife" in time/space. Reviewing her most recent incarnation with the aid of guides and her higher-self's assistance (which is actually her truer selfness), she learns/remembers the purpose of life again. She prepares for a new incarnation and passes once more through the 3rd-density veil of forgetfulness. Now, of course her "identity" as 44-year-old surgeon Dr. Lukyanova will not return to existence as that particular personality construct! Of course not. She might be born now in 1964 as a poor homeless man in New York by the name of Christopher Adams. And the show goes on.

You could say that incarnational memory is stored in that electromagnetic field of consciousness that is the higher-inner self beingness totality of an entity (the 6D oversoul, if you will). Of course the "incarnational identity" is not a permanent, immortal entity! It's just an experience to be collected as memory.

To the field that experienced that incarnation and identity, now that it is ended, is no more than waste material and dust of the earth. That field now realizes that the identity it had then, was no more than a vehicle with which to drive through a particular journey of lessons and further development. And it now knows the next identity will be the same.

I largely agree with your statement. However, the only thing I would suggest for your consideration is that after death, a 3rd-density entity remains a 3rd-density entity in a metaphysical environment. This is perhaps overlooked by you. The self-realization of oneself is a gradual process that requires millions of incarnative experiences beginning in 1D/2D, as the prime elements subsequently spawning/transforming/evolving into the 2nd-density flora/fauna organisms leading to the 3rd-density life-form experience (and then the 4th and the 5th and so on).

Or would you tell me that when a monkey dies it immediately realizes it is an amazing field of consciousness of infinite worth playing an evolutionary game of experiencing itself? No, it is largely unaware of this, and its incarnations are programmed by the oversoul that oversees it (which the monkey does not even know it has—and cannot be aware of with a 2nd-density level of awareness). The same applies to a 3rd-density entity until it begins to play the game consciously and in tandem with its higher/inner oversoul beingness. This realization, however, is not immediate, and it comes only after a certain level of development has been achieved within the 3rd-density experience; as such, the conscious participation in the reincarnation process is a natural result of a the achievement of a certain degree of advancement pertaining that particular entity which is a manifestation/projection/extension of a greater oversoul/field of consciousness.

Also, to say the incarnation is no more than waste material and dust of the earth is the same as saying that the very light and energy/love involved and invested in the creative process of the 3rd-density physical environment is also a waste.

Each vehicle is another opportunity to discover that our true being does not really require a vehicle at all.

And in between vehicles we know this.

I disagree and partially agree with this.

Firstly, my humble disagreement. Without a vehicular physical body, evolution—and hence experience—is not possible. This is why a type of physical body is required through each density.

Actually, I remember Ra talking about this. Let me fetch the quote...

Each mind/body/spirit or mind/body/spirit complex has an existence simultaneous with that of creation. It is not dependent upon any physical vehicle. However, in order to evolve, change, learn, and manifest the Creator the physical vehicles appropriate to each density are necessary. Your query implied that physical vehicles accelerated growth. The more accurate description is that they permit growth.

Although I agree with you that consciousness itself does not depend on physicality, materiality or any form of manifestation, without bodies we cannot experience evolution, change, growth, or any measurement of development or experience of progression.

In between vehicles, as you say, we do know (to the extent that our personal evolutionary development allows, or is capable of, truly understanding it) that we are not the physical shell, the material form; yes, but we also learn/remember we are playing this game. And in order to continue our progression, balance and refine ourselves, we must continue reincarnating. It is truly a wonderful experience!

(I still do not seem to understand the reasons why you undervalue physicality so much, Shin'Ar.)

That knowledge gives the field no reason to intercede or return to any remnant of its past vehicle. All that it needs to do is discern that life and its lessons to prepare for the next vehicle, unless it has reached the state of awareness and being where it no longer requires being reincarnated in human form.

Agreed. In which case, it will graduate to a more appropriate learning environment. In that case it will commence its reincarnational experience in 4th-density.

The Lord Thoth is what I call that field which once bore that identity. In communication we who are incarnate, may honor those who we choose, and acknowledge any of their past vehicles, especially if a particular vehicle was responsible for enhancing or revealing certain experiences which correlate with your own path and experience.

And I humbly respect that.

It does not mean that such a Field of Consciousness continues to return or communicate as that past vehicle or identity. It simply means that It acknowledges my desire to honor that particular experience which it had and the legacy it left behind.

It doesn't have to, but it can. It can return in a thought-form projection. Many have reported being visited/contacted by Thoth himself (a man by the name Drunvalo Melchizedek comes to mind). How is this possible? Simple: thought-form projection. This is especially true of 5th-density entities who can even manipulate by thought the form of their physical bodies.

But it does not exist now as Thoth, except in my memory, in my desire to recall that memory, and in my desire to connect with that present field of consciousness as a name and experience that it once bore.

Should my field return again to those who might know my field as Shin'Ar, it will not be as Shin'Ar, it will be as their memory of Shin'Ar, should they choose to recall me by that name.

And that is precisely what I am saying, brother! I do not understand why you tend to disagree so much about things that I mostly agree with you to begin with!

But we can speak with some degree of wisdom if what we say is supported by many sources, rather than ego alone.

So it is a matter of quantity over quality, my friend? A man can speak for himself alone without anyone else granting him any validity. Another man can speak quoting a hundred different highly distorted sources. Would you give your ear to the latter rather than the former simply because he is "supported by many sources"?

It is this same ego which sees the ghost before them as their loved one returned to them from the dead. It is their own memory and desire to reunite.

Those who understand these fields will know where their old friends really are. And they will know that those identities now exist as a beings very different than the one they once knew.

Those who understand will have no reason to think of ghosts and expect old vehicles to return.

Those who continue to struggle with their own ego, will also struggle over the identity of others.

In essence, I absolutely agree with you once again.

None can declare that they have solved the Mystery.

And the Mystery shall ever remain a mystery.