Did the first Higher-Self have a Higher-Self before it was a Higher-Self?

[anagogy]

Ra: I am Ra. You are existing at all levels simultaneously. It is specifically correct that your higher self is you in mid-sixth-density and, in your way of measuring what you know of as time, your higher self is your self in your future." <--- BOOM!
And I'm keen on saying, I win

I joke, i joke.

This can still be interpreted as though speaking of the higher self as you as the One. All this does is acknowledge that our present identities are One with the All.

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As Patrick noted, I don't think anyone is disputing the fact that anybody's present identities are part of the One. Or even the Higher Self. However, there are individuations of the creator which perform different functions. Just as we in our 3rd density consciousness are not *consciously* one with all, the 6th density Higher Self is also not *consciously* one with all. It is close though, and its means of progression to conscious "all-ness" with the creator is partially effected by offering this service to its self in the past.

Ra has specifically stated that the mid sixth density version of ourselves is the portion of the creator which turns back and offers its wisdom to its past selves as a guiding resource if they request such wisdom. Because of free will, it cannot offer this guidance unsolicited.

6th density is not the same as 7th density. There is still some measure of individuation in 6th density. For example, Ra states:

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3.10 Questioner: Then if an individual is totally informed with respect to the Law of One and lives the Law of One, then such things as the building of the pyramids by direct mental effort would be commonplace. Is that what I am to understand?
Ra: I am Ra. You are incorrect in that there is a distinction between the individual power through the Law of One and the combined, or societal memory complex mind/body/spirit understanding of the Law of One.

In the first case only the one individual, purified of all flaws, could move a mountain. In the case of mass understanding of unity, each individual may contain an acceptable amount of distortion and yet the mass mind could move mountains. The progress is normally from the understanding which you now seek to a dimension of understanding which is governed by the laws of love, and which seeks the laws of light. Those who are vibrating with the Law of Light seek the Law of One. Those who vibrate with the Law of One seek the Law of Foreverness.

We cannot say what is beyond this dissolution of the unified self with all that there is, for we still seek to become all that there is, and still are we Ra. Thus our paths go onward.

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All of these quotes being used here are, in my opinion being misread and contorted, unless your interpretations can be supported more concisely from other quotations. I would be keen on seeing something else to suggest that how you are interpreting this 'higher self' which Ra speaks of here as a future self is precisely what you are claiming it to be.

What I interpret from Ra's message is that the higher self being spoken of is the One Consciousness, the All. It is not any one particular identity or fragmented evolving field of consciousness. If you read these quotes and think of higher self as simply meaning the evolved consciousness of One evolving All, than there is no need to debate the dynamics of infinity and simultaneity.

70.10 Questioner: Am I correct in assuming that all of the mind/body/spirit complexes that exist below levels of mid-sixth-density have a Higher Self at the level of mid-sixth-density? Is this correct?

Ra: I am Ra. This is correct.

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Essentially, here, Ra is acknowledging that the Higher Self is of a sixth density nature. Sixth density is not consciousness of the all, therefore is is not totally unified. Ra has stated that seventh density is consciousness of the all, thus, it is logical to conclude that the Higher Self is of certain degree of individuation -- a sort of liaison, if you will, between 7th density consciousness and the 3rd density consciousness.

Ra has identified itself as 6th density social memory complex.


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16.22 Questioner: Thank you very much. In previous material, before we communicated with you, it was stated by the Confederation that there is actually no past or future … that all is present. Would this be a good analogy?
Ra: I am Ra. There is past, present, and future in third density. In an overview such as an entity may have, removed from the space/time continuum, it may be seen that in the cycle of completion there exists only the present. We, ourselves, seek to learn this understanding. At the seventh level or dimension, we shall, if our humble efforts are sufficient, become one with all, thus having no memory, no identity, no past or future, but existing in the all.

16.23 Questioner: Does this mean that you would have awareness of all that is?

Ra: I am Ra. This is partially correct. It is our understanding that it would not be our awareness, but simply awareness of the Creator. In the Creator is all that there is. Therefore, this knowledge would be available.

1.1 Questioner: Do you have a specific purpose, and if so, could you tell us something of what your purpose is?
Ra: I am Ra. We communicate now. We, too, have our place. We are not those of the Love or of the Light. We are those who are of the Law of One. In our vibration the polarities are harmonized, the complexities are simplified, and the paradoxes have their solution. We are one. That is our nature and our purpose.

We are old upon your planet and have served with varying degrees of success in transmitting the Law of One, of Unity, of Singleness to your peoples. We have walked your earth. We have seen the faces of your peoples. This is not so with many of the entities of the Confederation. We found it was not efficaceous. However, we then felt the great responsibility of staying in the capacity of removing the distortions and powers that had been given to the Law of One. We will continue in this until your, shall we say, cycle is appropriately ended. If not this one, then the next. We are not a part of time and, thus, are able to be with you in any of your times.

Does this give you enough information from which to extract our purpose, my brother?

70.11 Questioner: Would an analogy for this situation be that an individual’s Higher Self is manipulating, to some extent shall I say, the mind/body/spirit complex that is its analog to move it through the lower densities for the purposes of gaining experience and finally transferring that experience or amalgamating it in mid-sixth-density with the Higher Self?

Ra: I am Ra. This is incorrect. The Higher Self does not manipulate its past selves. It protects when possible and guides when asked, but the force of free will is paramount. The seeming contradictions of determinism and free will melt when it is accepted that there is such a thing as true simultaneity. The Higher Self is the end result of all the development experienced by the mind/body/spirit complex to that point.

70.12 Questioner: Then what we are looking at is a long path of experience through the densities up to mid-sixth-density which is a function totally of free will and results in the awareness of the Higher Self in mid-sixth-density, but since time is illusory and there is a, shall I say, unification of time and space or an eradication of what we think of as time, then, all of this experience that results in the Higher Self, the cause of evolution through the densities, is existing while the evolution takes place. It is all simultaneous. Is this correct?

Ra: I am Ra. We refrain from speaking of correctness due to our understanding of the immense difficulty of absorbing the concepts of metaphysical existence. In time/space, which is precisely as much of your self as is space/time, all times are simultaneous just as, in your geography, your cities and villages are all functioning, bustling, and alive with entities going about their business at once. So it is in time/space with the self.

Ra is saying in this quote that all times are present. Past, present, and future exist all at the same metaphysical present.

And one more about the higher self traveling into the past:

36.5 Questioner: Could you give an example of how this programming by the Higher Self would then bring about education through parallel experiences?
Ra: I am Ra. Perhaps the simplest example of this apparent simultaneity of existence of two selves, which are in truth one self at the same time/space, is this: the Oversoul, as you call it, or Higher Self, seems to exist simultaneously with the mind/body/spirit complex which it aids. This is not actually simultaneous, for the Higher Self is moving to the mind/body/spirit complex as needed from a position in development of the entity which would be considered in the future of this entity.

I cannot really state my understanding more clearly than I have already done in my post above, but to disregard what I have pointed out by using quotes from Ra that can still be argued as possibly being misinterpretations, does not deny the credibility of my views and thoughts on the matter. It is no different than the protestant using King James version of the Bible and their interpretation to debate the Catholic Bible.

Have you also considered the possibility that your interpretation could be the misinterpretation?

I would also like to point another aspect of this that has been opened. This speculating about a higher evolved consciousness returning to experience lower densities. These higher evolved fields are not the higher selves of particular fields returning to them in the past, in my opinion.

The Higher Selves are not returning to experience the lower densities. The Higher Self simply guides when asked. It doesn't manipulate its past selves.

It is rather strange to have seekers on the one hand claiming that they are the Creator, and then on the other hand declaring that their future higher identity somehow guides them now. If they are the Creator, than how can they have a Higher self than that?

I agree with you that there is nothing "higher" than the creator. But the creator is not just human, it is more than human. When you are interacting with said creator, wouldn't you want those interactions to be understandable to you, as a human entity? The 6th density Higher Self is that individuation of the creator that can do that. It is the translator between the infinite and incomprehensible (from the human vantage point) creator and the 3rd density human being. It is liaison between intelligent infinity and your humanity.

There is the One Field, the Source Field that began it All. and there are the countless fragmented fields that evolve and through which the One experiences the All and evolves into Mystery and Infinity. These fragments have been evolving since the Source, and many are as ancient as the Source Itself and then on down the line of the evolving Process. There are obviously many various stages and evolved degrees of fields of consciousness.


Are some fields of such ability and evolved status that they able to return to a past identity which it once lived? Why would it?

Would that not in itself be a breach of free will? is that exactly what Ra is trying to tell you here as it attempts to define the difference between evolved fragmented consciousness and the One Consciousness of the All?

a field of consciousness which has evolved into higher states of being has already walked that path to get there. All those choices made to get there are now memory and experience stored in the One Consciousness. to suggest that a field can somehow, or would even want to somehow, go back and redo that journey and/or alter it in some way, suggests that creation itself is subject to a constant redesigning of experience and memory already established by free will and intent. this would be paramount to suggesting that there is no such thing as memory, because in that scenario all memory is subject to alteration, which renders it non existent.

But see, you are still thinking about this in linear terms. You say the Higher Self has walked the path and has no need to walk it it again, however, the first time that path was walked, it also had guidance from its Self in the future. Many people don't like to think about time travel because the human mind isn't particularly suited to understanding things outside of a linear string of events. We can't help that, our brains are 3rd density, after all.

Time doesn't really exist in some absolute sense. It is just another kind of space for the continuum of "change" to express itself in. Humans find it disturbing to think that one could go back in time and change some aspect of history. And rightfully so. But its not exactly accurate to think that way. If someone went back in time and changed something, that was how it happened the first time. As I said, time is just a kind of space. You alter the structure, and that is how it always was, because there is no "time" above "time". This is a can of worms to the linear mind. All such changes have already been made by such "time travelers". And yes, free will is still intact. You can "do", whatever it is you "will" to do.

What you have is a hyper-sphere of experience, which goes through many dimensions, times, densities, and planes of existence which is perfect, and represents the One Infinite Creator.

Memory in my understanding is the fabric of our existence and the ingredient behind the design of the One Consciousness establishing its evolution. Memory of particular experiences is what is shared between fields of consciousness as they evolve, and is the factor which enables these fields to expand in understanding and knowledge.

The suggestion or speculation that a future self can return to alter memory just does not fit into any of what I have read of the Ra material or anything that I have come to understand of Cosmic Divine Design. And it also violates every law of physics that I am aware of as well.

All that memory is dissolved in 7th density, so I wouldn't get too attached.

This is not to declare that I am learned in any of these matters. I am always open to other speculation, but I will always also challenge such with an open mind seeking truth rather than popular opinion or misinterpretation. After all, is that not the danger we would choose to radically evade as seekers and wanderers knowing the delusions that religion has nurtured for so many centuries?

Well I'm glad you're open to other speculation.