In regards to eating meat

[Monica]

What do you think about what i said here In this post?

Since you asked...

It is what we DO with compassion that created the discussion about judgement, etc.

Sometimes, the only way to help the starving dog is to talk to the dog's human, and sometimes that doesn't work, so then the question becomes:

Which is more important: Answering the call for help from the oppressed? Or not trying to change the oppressor?

How do we help the oppressed, without interfering with the rights of the oppressor to oppress?

I contend that helping the oppressed trumps respecting the 'rights' of the oppressor.

If we just try to change someone, for no good reason, that is control and that's STS.

But if our activism is fueled by compassion, and the only way to answer the call of the oppressed is to decline the service of the STS oppressor, then that is, in my view, entirely appropriate.

Furthermore, it may even be a service to the oppressor, who might not actually be STS but might just want to be shown an example of compassion. Maybe. We can't know that, so that is irrelevant to us, but it might be a bonus in some cases.

Looking at Ra's choice of what they did with compassion: Ra didnt answer the call compassionately by placing themselves between other and other's catalyst. In other words, their use of compassion wasn't to step in front of me and wave their finger at my catalyst and say 'stop it, Ra is here now and you will cease being mean to my friend'.
Ra felt compassion and went straight to the one they perceived "in need", and proceeded to explain the this is where we are and we can learn to accept our circumstances of now in order become closer to the Creator.

Compassion.

Right. But in the case of the starving dog in the neighbor's fenced-in yard, the only way to 'go straight to the one in need' is to first interact with the abuser.

That's not to say Ra would have done that. They didn't interfere with the STS entity who was plaguing Carla. But, did Don or Carla ever ask them to intervene? Not that I recall. Don just asked what they could do themselves; I don't think he ever actually asked Ra for help with the STS visitor. So we really don't know what Ra would have done, had they asked.

My guess is that they wouldn't have intervened. But that's just a guess, based on the idea that it was LL's task to learn how to deal with negative greeting. But I could be wrong. The fact is we really don't know, because it didn't happen that way. It would have been interesting to see how Ra would have responded!

But that doesn't mean we shouldn't, in the case of the starving dog. Because, we cannot apply Ra's principles of behavior to our own situation, necessarily. We have to take into consideration that we are in a different density, with different lessons.

It might be that if we were to follow Ra's example, and not bother to talk to the dog abusing neighbor, then we are neglecting our mission; it may be that that dog abuser is sending out a call for help too! It may be that he is hoping some nice friendly next-door Wanderer will knock on his door and explain compassion to him.

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At any rate, I don't see the point of all this talk about controlling others. Having an internet discussion isn't controlling anyone. We cannot force anyone to change, even if we wanted to. So it's moot.