In regards to eating meat

[Monica]

I do not even kill flies or spiders at home, I just bring them outside. Because there is no need to kill them.

So I would say yes here.

Medical research disagrees with you. There is no proof whatsoever that meat is necessary for anyone.

Those who desire to quit eating meat, may do so with a bit of education. It is doable.

to the extent necessary for individual metabolism

What exactly is this extent? NOT asking you this personally, but here is a general question:

Can anyone here honestly say that eating meat daily, and in the amounts commonly eaten, are truly necessary? Can all the meat-eaters here honestly say that they have exhausted all avenues of quitting meat? Because only then would I believe that it was truly necessary.

But of course, that is for them to decide. I would never presume to tell anyone whether meat is truly necessary for them or not. My point is that scientific research supports the position that it's simply not necessary.

Given Ra's words on this, how, then, is it justified as being necessary?

"Is it compassionate to animals to let someone else kill them, and maybe even torture them, so that we can eat them?"

If those handling these animals were to ask my opinion, I would certainly tell them that I would prefer animals were treated with compassion.

Well that's very nice, if but one chooses to eat the animal anyway, knowing how it was treated, then that is sharing in the responsibility.

Just as in a court of law...someone who watches a crime while doing nothing to stop it, is still held partially responsible.

"that much is clear"

You can't know that.

Valtor, I can only assume by this statement that you haven't watched the slaughterhouse videos. A being struggling furiously and wailing in pain and terror, is communicating with us. It boggles my mind that anyone could watch this and conclude that we can't know whether the animal wished to die, so I will conclude you haven't watched the videos.

If you now argue the point that they do wish to die on a soul level, then try applying that to humans and see how it works. If a human needs the catalyst of being murdered, then fine, but it's not the job of the STO entity to oblige that. That's an STS function.

And if so, it would also apply to plants.

We've already covered that, ad nauseum.

The way these animals are treated.

Is not killing someone poor treatment?

Exactly the one we live in.

Are you sure? What if they're populating a world much darker than the one we live in? Do we really want the responsibility of that?

And, even if it is just like the one we're in, why would anyone wish that upon fledgling 3D entities? Don't we want to do our part to create something better for them? This has been a most traumatic 3D sojourn. It's unusual. Most planets don't have the amount of bloodshed our planet has endured.

I want no part of perpetuating that.

Then those treating animals this way, if aware, are maybe the STS entities you're talking about.

Either that, or they're just really blocked up or ignorant.

But eating meat produced in such way - and this includes ANY visit to virtually any restaurant - is sharing in the responsibility in that STS action.

Actually, our task is to respond to catalyst.

I disagree. If we wish to polarize STO, then it does matter how we respond to catalyst. That is what determines our polarizing process.

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I'm not skipping the heart chakra. It's balanced.

I don't believe any of us can truly know for sure the degree of our balancing, until we walk the Steps of Light.

I'm not here to polarize, I am here to balance too much wisdom with compassion.

Well if that's the case, then an opportunity to embrace greater compassion is right under your nose.

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Compassion is the key to polarizing STO.

But, acceptance is the key to compassion.

So the first key is acceptance, yes, but it doesn't stop there. We must also get to the compassion part, in order to polarize STO.

"Acceptance is the key to positively polarized use of catalyst. " -Ra

That's what I just said. Positively polarized = compassionate.

Acceptance is the key to polarizing STO.

Yes, but it's the key because it allows compassion to occur.

Compassion results from polarizing STO.

I disagree. Compassion is what polarizes. One cannot polarize STO without compassion. Compassion is an indication that the green ray is activating. That doesn't happen by acceptance alone. And certainly not by indifference, which is often confused with acceptance.