In regards to eating meat

[Monica]

I was thinking about this some more. They said the instinct to protect continues through fourth density. If you think about it, they didn't protect L/L. They advised them, true, but they didn't shield them.

If you are attempting to extrapolate from that, that we shouldn't try to shield animals, then I disagree. The objectives are different in each density. It would have been contrary to the purpose of the veil, and contrary to the purpose of 3D experience, to deny LL the opportunity to learn for themselves, how to respond to negative greeting.

We are in a totally different situation, so we must discern for ourselves what is appropriate. That is the whole point; we are in the density of Choice. We can't just say "well Ra didn't shield LL so we shouldn't shield the animals" because what Ra did in that case might not apply in this case. That's where choice comes in, and discernment.

Across the United States, nearly 10 billion land animals are raised and killed each year for meat, eggs, and milk.3,4
More than half of all confined farm animals by weight—54%—are concentrated in just 5% of the country‟s industrial animal production farms.5

So 46% of confined farm animals are produced by the other 95%.

I think you misread that. What it's saying is that 5% of the farms house 54% of the animals.

The factory farms have a disproportionately high percentage of the total animals.

In other words, 5% of the farms should house 5% of the animals, roughly. But they house 54%. This means that those 5% of the farms have abnormally high populations, and atrocious conditions for the animals.

The small % of farms - 5% - is irrelevant. What is relevant is the majority of animals - 54% - are being raised in these abominable conditions!

In other words, it's not monolithic.

It wouldn't be monolithic unless 100% of farms were factory farms, which we know isn't the case, so I don't see the relevance of the term monolithic.

What is relevant is that it's a majority of the farm animals - 54%, raised in these conditions. That's deplorable. Evil.

Also, they are apparently not counting the non-confined animals.

Aren't all farm animals confined in some way? They're all confined to a farm of some sort. I don't think they meant 'free range' because that is already covered by the 46%.

It's there, I think. Maybe compassion takes different forms than you expect?

I don't 'expect' anything but when I hear extensive arguments about how the treatment of animals doesn't matter, and how it's 'ok' to support the torture of them, that doesn't come across as very compassionate to me.

On 2nd thought, I guess I did expect something when I first started participating in this thread. I expected that most of the meat-eaters who are spiritually oriented just weren't aware of the atrocious conditions farm animals are subjected to, and I expected that once their eyes were opened, we'd be spending the rest of this discussion brainstorming ways to all work together to decrease animal suffering. I expected that they'd all shows concern and compassion, rather than arguing why they should still have the 'right' to continue supporting the cruelty.

Yeah, that's what I expected.

Boy was I wrong! That's what I get for having expectations!