In regards to eating meat

[Monica]

I don't know about other meat eaters, but I certainly do not support the torture of animals. At least for some of us, I do believe it is necessary to eat meat.

Experts and statistics say otherwise.

Position of the American Dietetic Association: vegetarian diets

It is the position of the American Dietetic Association that appropriately planned vegetarian diets, including total vegetarian or vegan diets, are healthful, nutritionally adequate, and may provide health benefits in the prevention and treatment of certain diseases. Well-planned vegetarian diets are appropriate for individuals during all stages of the life cycle, including pregnancy, lactation, infancy, childhood, and adolescence, and for athletes. A vegetarian diet is defined as one that does not include meat (including fowl) or seafood, or products containing those foods. This article reviews the current data related to key nutrients for vegetarians including protein, n-3 fatty acids, iron, zinc, iodine, calcium, and vitamins D and B-12. A vegetarian diet can meet current recommendations for all of these nutrients. In some cases, supplements or fortified foods can provide useful amounts of important nutrients. An evidence- based review showed that vegetarian diets can be nutritionally adequate in pregnancy and result in positive maternal and infant health outcomes. The results of an evidence-based review showed that a vegetarian diet is associated with a lower risk of death from ischemic heart disease. Vegetarians also appear to have lower low-density lipoprotein cholesterol levels, lower blood pressure, and lower rates of hypertension and type 2 diabetes than nonvegetarians. Furthermore, vegetarians tend to have a lower body mass index and lower overall cancer rates.

For more guidance, see also:

http://www.vegetariannutrition.org/food-pyramid.pdf

Also, we do not seem to have the same definition of what a sentient being is. For me, this means self-aware and this comes in 3d.

My understanding from Ra is that self-awareness happens in 2D. It is the criteria for graduation to 3D. (Just as compassion/love happens in 3D, and is the criteria for graduation to 4D.) To verify this, just live with any dog or cat!

I also believe everything is conscious even if not self-aware.

I agree! But the difference is in group consciousness vs individual consciousness.

Personally, I am focusing on the path of acceptance. Even accepting that it is "ok" for the Elites to enslave me. It is "ok" for humans to go to war with each others. It is "ok" for us the judge each others. For all this provides extremely potent catalysts for our collective evolution and also ALL path ends with the Creator.

My service is accepting, to the best of my ability, that which is, exactly as it is. In so doing I channel the Unconditional Love and Light of the One Infinite Creator on our planetary sphere.

Incidentally, STS entities are also serving the One Infinite Creator which they are.

Yes, all true. But, in my understanding, Acceptance must be balanced with Choice.

Are you implying that eating meat would prevent one from being harvested in 4d positive?

No, not at all. Harvestability is determined by the overall percentage, the sum total of all our choices, not by a single choice.

You are right for the meat part, but if you mean the vegan way, then I do not agree that it wouldn't hurt anyone.

I agree that the vegan diet requires a bit more education, and the raw vegan diet even more education. But no, I wasn't referring to vegan. I was referring to simply quitting meat.

Note: Unless otherwise stated, all my comments are about vegetarian, which may include eggs and dairy, not vegan.

The killing of innocent children in wars comes directly from the act of judgment. Without judgment, there is acceptance. With acceptance there are no disagreements. And without disagreements there are no wars.

I don't see the relevance here. No one is killing anyone here on this thread. You were referring to the perceived 'judgment' here on this thread, right? To say that judgment, in and of itself, contributes to more negativity on the planet, than knowingly allowing the suffering of other beings...That is the part I disagreed with.

OK, but your statement was that judgment was more harmful than the actual killing. When applied to humans, does that still hold true?

Yes simply because without judgment there would be no murders. And in this context, even if a human would be to kill another human, we could not call it murder.

I disagree. People kill others all the time for myriad reasons. But that would be a whole 'nother discussion, to analyze the role of judgment in violence. At any rate, I still find it irrelevant, to your point about perceived judgment in a discussion forum being more negative than knowingly contributing to suffering. That doesn't compute for me.