In regards to eating meat

[Monica]

I don't think I ever said I was anywhere close to perfect.

I think you missed my point, which was that it's ok to acknowledge we might have some STS aspects or sometimes do STS things. That doesn't make us STS beings. We are still STO.

Who I am, this physical body and genetics is truthfully made of cells that formed from the foods that I and my ancestors ingested,

Did you know that there is not a single cell in your body older than 7 years?

some of which is animal protein. My very body is made of this. I have faithfully walked an STO path for many lifetimes. Truthfully I am physically made of animals,plants, carbon based elements in my physical being. And truthfully I have been on an STO path.

Whether there is animal protein in one's body doesn't make them STO or STS. So I'm not sure what your point is.

So to believe that eating or my diet is incongruent with my path would be not only untrue, but very unnaccepting of who I am.

I'll try again.

It's not about eating. It's about torture and killing.

One can accept an other-self, while still believing that certain of their actions aren't STO.

You are what you eat,

Well, partially. We're also what we think and feel. All of that comes into play.

But if we are what we eat, then why in the world would we want to ingest the fear hormones of an animal who died in terror and agonizing pain?

Seriously, that makes no sense to me.

But aside from that, again, as Diana said, why the focus on self?

I don't think so, I often feel dysjuncture when I am observing myself judging another. With a violent criminal, I usually immediately start to think about what happened in his childhood, who abused him in the past, what his/ her life was like up to that point.

I do exactly the same.

But see, we aren't judging people. That's what we all keep saying, and yet the meat-eaters keep telling us we're judging them. We're not.

Since you mentioned the violent criminal, when you have compassion for him, does that mean you approve of what he did to his victim? Or can you separate the violent act from the person?

If the message that I got is based on my incorrect perception, thanks for correcting my perception. But honestly, that's not what is being mostly written and debated in the thread.

That is the whole point, as far as I'm concerned. And I'm pretty sure the other vegetarians feel pretty much the same way.

It's mostly about the choice of eating or not eating meat,

But again, eating meat cannot be separated from the violence that produced that meat.

Question: Why is there so much insistence that we stick to talking about eating meat, and how it affects the self, instead of what it did to the animal who became the meat?

I'm still mystified at how the animal keeps getting left out of the equation. Why?

from what I discerned. Whenever the subject of humanely raised livestock came up in the thread, there was no agreement on that from your team, which is a shame, because it is one way to not only increase awareness, but also possibly find some middle -ground and stepping-stones towards a higher vibe, very early 4D planet.

Really? I'm surprised that you perceived it thusly. I thought we were pretty much in agreement on that, that it's a step in the right direction but not the destination.