In regards to eating meat

[Monica]

Question to Shemaya: Why are you asking Monica the above bolded question? Is it a personal question or general? I think it needs clarification as we are trying to not be personal, especially in this thread.

Diana, this is the second time you have asked me to explain why I asked a question. Of course it is a personal question, I used the word "you".

I too was wondering, as Diana was wondering.

I have been asked dozens of questions from Monica

Not questions of this sort.

I am asking these questions because I am exploring the distortions that are prevalent in this topic.

Perceptions can be wrong (in terms of what the person actually intended). My perception of your question:

Do you believe you have attracted 4d to yourself because of your higher vibration?

...is that you are implying I am claiming to have a 'higher vibration' and therefore somehow superior or more advanced, because I don't eat animals. I also perceived a hint of sarcasm, which might not have been intended by you.

Maybe I'm reading an implication that you didn't intend, but apparently Diana and I both took it that way. I hope you can understand why such an implication (if indeed it's there) would rub us the wrong way, being that we've repeatedly stated we don't consider ourselves 'more evolved.'

If our perceptions were correct (and I readily admit they might be totally wrong), then such a question is different from asking a philosophical or academic question. We've asked many questions about personal opinions, but have tried to avoid any questions or comments that seem to imply something about a person's worth, spiritual advancement or in any way analyzes that person.

Does this clarify?

From what I understand, 4d will come in it's right time to planet Earth, like the striking of a clock at midnight. Are you talking about Ra's teaching on Harvest and Q' uo's description of the steps of light?

My understanding is that Earth becoming a 4D planet, and 3D entities being harvested to 4D, are 2 different things. But this is discussed extensively in multiple threads in the Harvest section.

The relevant point in the context I intended, is that, in my belief, we attract our own personal perception of reality, and maybe even reality itself (whatever that is! haha) according to our choices. I think it's unreasonable to assume that we can continue engaging in actions that lack compassion, and then expect to instantaneously be transported to a place where everyone is compassionate. That reminds me of the Christian 'rapture' doctrine and just doesn't work for me.

I subscribe to Edgar Cayce's adage "You don't go to heaven; you grow to heaven!"

If 'heaven' is a 4D reality in which living foodstuffs are the norm, I have trouble comprehending how someone who is awake and aware of animal suffering, can justify continuing to support it, while saying "It doesn't matter because soon I'll be in 4D."

This is the prevailing attitude I've perceived from many of the participants in this thread.

That, to me, is very similar to the Christians saying "It doesn't matter what I do because I've accepted Jesus and therefore I'm saved and Jesus will take me to heaven soon, where all will be blissful."

For me, personally, it has more to do with distortions within myself and interactions with others, orange and yellow ray distortions primarily. Because I relate more intuitively, as opposed to intellectual...it is these distortions of self-and otherself interactions that interest me. That is why I asked the question.

This forum is for those who want to grow spiritually and that is done by exploring and understanding our distortions. The distortions that I recognize are not purely intellectual.

We're all getting out of it what we choose to get out of it. Apparently, this forum serves different purposes for different people.

If personal questions are off limits, then I am sure the moderators will let me know.

Your questions didn't violate any forum guidelines. I see it as more of a group effort by all of us, to keep this discussion impersonal, because of its volatile topic. If, for example, I had responded to the numerous times someone asked me to critique their dietary choices, can you imagine the outcry?

We have refrained from doing that. We respectfully request that the meat-eaters grant us that same courtesy.

We don't want to judge anyone personally. We just want to discuss the topic.

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Are you saying eating meat is akin to mass murder and war ?

I'm saying the meat industry is an abomination, in the same way war is an abomination.

Is a farmer who has humanely raised his livestock for food guilty of murder and war against animals?

If I answer this question, my words will be misconstrued. 100% guaranteed. How do I know this? Because it has already happened, in this thread.

So rather than repeat myself, I will suggest that, if you wish to know my opinion about this, you read the entire thread.

Clue: Notice my exchanges with Austin.

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I think Monica's "Huxley" post was in response to Monkey's comment.

Actually, it wasn't. I just happened to post it right after my response to Monkey. I just added a line break to that post.