04-18-2012, 12:01 AM
(04-17-2012, 09:03 PM)zenmaster Wrote:(04-17-2012, 08:30 PM)godwide_void Wrote: Ah, I meant to say that if one needs evidence for these things in order for it to become a part of their accepted paradigm for reality. I was mainly pointing out that whether or not tangible evidence exists for this phenomenon has no bearing on the likelihood of abilities of this nature from occurring in individual cases.Again, I'm not sure how the point you are trying to make here has any bearing on experimental evidence.
You're right, it has no bearing on experimental evidence, but still something I wished to point out.
Quote:(04-17-2012, 08:30 PM)godwide_void Wrote: I also feel that there are certain facets of this phenomenon which cannot be revealed or observed through testing and that there are probably no known experiments or tests which are or may be devised to capture the suggested phenomenon. For instance there is no machine or set test which can display the power one's mind holds in shaping their reality, yet this is so.
But "psychic powers" is really an umbrella term for a variety of phenomena. In the case of the experiments, the treatment was limited to something testable. His methods were found to be faulty, however.
I agree. As I said before what some consider psychic powers others consider magick or latent capabilities of consciousness.
Quote:(04-17-2012, 08:30 PM)godwide_void Wrote: There isn't any experiment which would be able to capture every single time two individuals who are very close have spontaneous but obvious moments which would indicate telepathic connection yet regardless of there being or not being a scientifically acceptable method to display the truth of this phenomenon, it is a very common occurrence nonetheless and indicative at the truth of "psychic powers", even if it can't be proven in a lab.Ali Quadir just claimed he's moved matter only using his mind, dozens of times, with witnesses. Will it work in a lab as well? If not, why not?
I didn't catch that claim anywhere in the thread, or are you referring to his doing the psiwheel experiment? If he claims this is so then yes, I don't see why such a thing wouldn't be reproducible in a lab environment and I'd certainly be very interested in witnessing a lab test of this happening, or at least a video of this feat.