In regards to eating meat

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Monica, what you said is that the arguments in this thread have mostly been about the self,

We are referring to 'self' in 2 different ways.

I was referring to 'self' as memememe, ie. "I like meat" in contrast to considering the feelings of others, in this case, the animals.

I didn't understand that there are different selves within one mind/body/spirit complex. That "mememememe" as you've put it, is the material for understanding.

As I see it, no one speaks more "Spanish" on this board than the other one.

In my analogy, Spanish = compassion for animals.

Surely you aren't claiming that the vegetarians and meat-eaters have an equal amount of compassion for animals, are you?

That would be akin to claiming that one has more compassion for another self than another self.

In my analogy, "Spanish" = compassion. Just one compassion, without division of it.

Comparing it to Ra, a sixth density entity, is also irrelevant, as all of us here are third density human beings.

You misunderstood. I wasn't comparing us to Ra.

I was utilizing Ra's use of the term teach/learn as an example of someone knowing more about a particular subject than others.

Ra clearly has more information than we do, yet they still learned from the experience of teaching us.

But they didn't learn the exact same information from us as they were teaching us. For example, they didn't learn about the pyramids from us, because they already know more about that subject than we do.

Again, Ra in sixth density. We are third density. Here, you have maybe more knowledge about this, but less about that, and we are also veiled, so here, in the third density, we both teach/learn and learn/teach on equal ground.

We do not consider that a separation exists between the consciousness-raising efforts of the distortion which you project as a personality and the distortion which you project as an other personality. Thus, to learn is the same as to teach unless you are not teaching what you are learning; in which case you have done you/they little or no good. This understanding should be pondered by your mind/body/spirit complex as it is a distortion which plays a part in your experiences at this nexus.

Therefore, in this situation specifically, on this board, we all teach/learn and learn/teach equally much about compassion.

I disagree. I think it's obvious we don't all have an equal amount of compassion for animals.

If we all had equal compassion, then do we also all have equal forgiveness? love? wisdom? Then we would all be exactly alike, which we clearly aren't.

I see it more in colors of: when you know more of something there is less of knowledge/understanding about something else. If you are interested in learning, you are at the same time teaching, and vice versa. There is of course no teach/learning, or learn/teaching, when it is not desired by the self.

Because if "meat-eater side" has been defensive, then the "non-meat-eater side" must have been attacking, right?

No, not necessarily. People often feel defensive because of their own guilt.

Conversely, someone can get attacked and not feel defensive, or have the need to make justifications, at all.

Why attack at all?

This is a group dynamic*. And seeing that one side did this and the other one did that, is just, in my eyes, creating more separation.

Well I agree, which is why I find all those comments about how vegetarians "lack compassion" to be just contributing to more separation.

You just agreed and then said that one side did this/that?

I totally agree with this view. Instead of feeling this suffering, and therefore add more suffering to the world, why not seek that suffering within the self, and heal it?

This has already been addressed, multiple times. Of course do that too.

But why not also physically quit contributing to the suffering?

I am. I am hopefully doing a dang good job as a mom to a five year old, and as a nurse at a hospice, physically alleviating sufferings of other selves. I am hopefully also doing alright when sharing love/light to others around me, and recycling, and saving the power, the water and the paper, not owning any car, but taking walks and public transportations instead, and more. But there are probably others who do more, and who do less. We do what we can.

I invite you to re-read Pablisimo's post about putting a firecracker in a frog's mouth and blowing it up, then trying to "radiate light" to the frog.

Sure, radiate light to the frog. But why blow it up in the first place?

Not sure how that fits into this discussion here.

I interpret this quote as: to attempting to remake or alter the society from the feelings of being personally correct or having answers, will activate orange and/or yellow centers.

If you think vegetarians are motivated by the need to be correct, then you don't understand us at all.

Couple of times I've read that if everybody would go veg there would be a much better world. Do you agree with what I've just said? If so, is that not a desire based on the feelings to alter and/or remake our current society?

I believe that both so called "sides" struggle with lessons of unconditional, universal love. Those who have learned these lessons do not participate in this thread, as they see only love, and hence have nothing to say.

So do you think someone who is operating from a place of love would never try to champion the oppressed?

By that logic, then some of the world's most highly revered 'saints' like Mother Theresa, Gandhi, Martin Luther King, and even Jesus, must have lacked love, but were only trying to 'change society out of their own need to be control or be correct.'

For the record: I am NOT, I repeat, NOT comparing myself, Diana, Pab, Pickle or any of the other vegetarians to these great leaders. We are NOT their equals. They are our mentors.

I am using them as an example of those who clearly DID take ACTION.

Were they loving, or were they controlling?

I am sure that whether meat-eater or non-meat-eater, each being is doing the best s/he can, as it is known to the self. In regards to the names you've mentioned, these people were fighting for different causes, and except for Gandhi (who I believe was born into a brahmanian family who are vegetarians by religion), I am not sure that these entities were vegetarians? Do you know that they were vegetarians?