04-02-2012, 09:44 PM
I appologize if this is to much of a bump, but I felt the need to comment and share my thoughts/understanding on matters. I will attempt to help...Mine are in bold...Just my thoughts....
[quote='unity100' pid='46761' dateline='1310485414']
the reasonings you have provided doesnt add up to enough. the picture you paint is as if Ra has intervened to prevent hatonn from doing tv communication. the appearance of Ra with a new project of advanced communication and this being preceded by hatonn ceasing direct communication does not necessitate Ra's intervention. this is the foremost point :
From my understanding the transition through contacts, from lesser to more complex(Ra being the "Highest* they ever got) was due to Carla's "Tuning" as she put it. She was attempting to get the best contact possible, attempting to perfect the channel/herself so to speak. The purer/better the channel, the better the contact it will receive. It just so happens that around that time they were sufficiently tuned to receive Ra.
For what it is worth, from my current thinking, it seems that the "Tuning" is a way of getting contact from higher and higher densities, a third density channel would likely max out with a third density contact, a fourth density channel would max out with a fourth density contact. Interesting note is that according to Ra, the members of the group were Wanderers, and most wanderers are 6th density. Ra was 6th density, and the highest level contact they achieved(Any more difficult would have likely killed Carla, which the Ra contact almost did anyway). There is something to this, something to ponder over. Prophecy is a complicated matter I suppose for me at this point lol...
in addition, what they say is not a 'false promise' of return - indeed, if someone wishes, they can return, because it is the mechanic which governs the calling.
Well, I offered that no, they can't. I have a whole other thread discussing the idea that the Ra contact was an intervention on Hatonn. And you clearly didn't like the opinion I offered there either.
Which, of course, is fine.
Maybe you could share more of where -you- are coming from. A personal story, perhaps, to help provide some context for your posts?
Can and Cannot are not terms that they seem to care much for, the contact with Hatonn ended because the group started the contact with Ra, a extremely physically draining and difficult contact, there was no reason to continue with Hatonn or any of the others because all that would accomplish is taking away energy desperately needed for the Ra contact, the one they had been waiting/working for all along in a way you could say. Hatonn could mass land if they wanted to, they could force the contact, they just didn't/don't want to, it didn't serve their purpose, it would hurt more than help. A point to consider around the philosophy of STO/STS and why they do what they do(Or in this case don't do)
it is not a matter of liking or not liking. its a matter of rationalization :
here you are forgetting the very basic mechanics of spiritual development - if there is a call, it is heeded. it doesnt matter whether the end result of the call may end up infringing in any sense you take it - if there is a call enough to allow an influence, it is allowed. this even includes orion, which seek to violate free will as much as they can.
Orion does not seek to violate free will much/any more so than the Confederation. There was a discussion in book 1 I think about why they don't just swoop down and crush the planet. They have a strong upwards drive towards the creator/spiritual growth just as the Positive entities have that is greater than their desire to take the planet, the option is open to them but the feeling is that they will not do this(Termed a gamble by Ra), they will not abridge free will at that level. The two sides are more similar than different, one directs its love towards self(Orion, that is) via manipulation of others and the others(Confederation/Positive in general) directs their love towards others. This is why they say something to the effect that Orion is Negatively oriented with the DISTORTION towards manipulation of others, the second part is not necessarily part of the Negative orientation, but in the case of the "Empire", they have chose this as a means to pursue spiritual growth along the negative path. Hope this helps in some way...
From reading up on encounters with the Negative entities, the general feeling I get is that the means are justified by the end to them. Not something you want to have a cup of tea with. Completely unwavering in their way, infinitely dedicated. As far as the general situation of the "Angels(Confederation) and Demons(Orion)" goes with us, remember it is a battle for the human "soul", not the body. The Body/"Physical Universe" is not real, it is a illusion, a figment of your human imagination/intellect. It gains Orion nothing if they crush the planet in a mass landing, and in the process violate our free will. In this case they lose their control over us once we die. They want us to willingly accept them/their philosophy, that is the goal. They have to bend our free will into that direction, manipulate us into accepting them. The devil works by tempting, so to say I guess. Not to say they wont happily kill/destroy a wanderer though, free will is by density, higher densities are responsible for lower ones. The war in heaven is very far reaching you could say.
No, my friend no. and i shouldnt be even needing to explain this to you, because your proposition is logically negligent :
negative path is the path in which entities are enslaved. IF you are following the negative path, enslaving entities IS something that you SHOULD be doing. the very definition of negative path, is enslaving entities.
It seems to be much simpler than this. To polarize positively, direct your love towards others in its entirety. To polarize negatively, direct it all to yourself in its entirety. The enslavement thing is something Orion exclusive, it is a amendment/addition to the base Negative philosophy/way of being. It is the way they have chose to follow Negative polarization by their own free will. For people of Earth, the hard part comes in defining/knowing what love is. It is a thing, imv, all to absent here. We are just a complex of energy, and energy is all that there is.
in short ; there are dos, and donts for arriving at a certain location at the end of a path. of course you are at liberty to choose any path you like, and change your path however often you want, however without actually walking the path that was chosen, no waypoint will be reached.
It takes great focus I will say, that is where my experience has brought me, it is a issue of focusing on what is important, what is not important just peels away. I am a new person every year.
you cannot 'play' with the dark and polarize. the only occasion in which you would need to 'play with the dark', would be to satisfy the experiential need inside you for experiencing that dark impulse you have in you, and then moving over. even at that point, you will not be polarizing positively while you are polarizing negatively. its not a game of 'random doings' with what one walks a path. when the entity experiences it and learns that it should not engage in that act due to the path it is following, it becomes something the entity should not do. if the entity is still compelled to engage in that act, it means the entity has not learned yet. but when it learns, the law of responsibility will act, and it wont just be a random game of anything you do goes.
Most of the people I know of who played with the dark died, horribly. And fairly quickly I might add. If they didn't die, something happened that traumatized them so bad they will never do it again. Playing isn't something to do in these areas....Just saying :3
[quote='unity100' pid='46761' dateline='1310485414']
the reasonings you have provided doesnt add up to enough. the picture you paint is as if Ra has intervened to prevent hatonn from doing tv communication. the appearance of Ra with a new project of advanced communication and this being preceded by hatonn ceasing direct communication does not necessitate Ra's intervention. this is the foremost point :
From my understanding the transition through contacts, from lesser to more complex(Ra being the "Highest* they ever got) was due to Carla's "Tuning" as she put it. She was attempting to get the best contact possible, attempting to perfect the channel/herself so to speak. The purer/better the channel, the better the contact it will receive. It just so happens that around that time they were sufficiently tuned to receive Ra.
For what it is worth, from my current thinking, it seems that the "Tuning" is a way of getting contact from higher and higher densities, a third density channel would likely max out with a third density contact, a fourth density channel would max out with a fourth density contact. Interesting note is that according to Ra, the members of the group were Wanderers, and most wanderers are 6th density. Ra was 6th density, and the highest level contact they achieved(Any more difficult would have likely killed Carla, which the Ra contact almost did anyway). There is something to this, something to ponder over. Prophecy is a complicated matter I suppose for me at this point lol...
in addition, what they say is not a 'false promise' of return - indeed, if someone wishes, they can return, because it is the mechanic which governs the calling.
Well, I offered that no, they can't. I have a whole other thread discussing the idea that the Ra contact was an intervention on Hatonn. And you clearly didn't like the opinion I offered there either.
Which, of course, is fine.
Maybe you could share more of where -you- are coming from. A personal story, perhaps, to help provide some context for your posts? Can and Cannot are not terms that they seem to care much for, the contact with Hatonn ended because the group started the contact with Ra, a extremely physically draining and difficult contact, there was no reason to continue with Hatonn or any of the others because all that would accomplish is taking away energy desperately needed for the Ra contact, the one they had been waiting/working for all along in a way you could say. Hatonn could mass land if they wanted to, they could force the contact, they just didn't/don't want to, it didn't serve their purpose, it would hurt more than help. A point to consider around the philosophy of STO/STS and why they do what they do(Or in this case don't do)
it is not a matter of liking or not liking. its a matter of rationalization :
here you are forgetting the very basic mechanics of spiritual development - if there is a call, it is heeded. it doesnt matter whether the end result of the call may end up infringing in any sense you take it - if there is a call enough to allow an influence, it is allowed. this even includes orion, which seek to violate free will as much as they can.
Orion does not seek to violate free will much/any more so than the Confederation. There was a discussion in book 1 I think about why they don't just swoop down and crush the planet. They have a strong upwards drive towards the creator/spiritual growth just as the Positive entities have that is greater than their desire to take the planet, the option is open to them but the feeling is that they will not do this(Termed a gamble by Ra), they will not abridge free will at that level. The two sides are more similar than different, one directs its love towards self(Orion, that is) via manipulation of others and the others(Confederation/Positive in general) directs their love towards others. This is why they say something to the effect that Orion is Negatively oriented with the DISTORTION towards manipulation of others, the second part is not necessarily part of the Negative orientation, but in the case of the "Empire", they have chose this as a means to pursue spiritual growth along the negative path. Hope this helps in some way...
From reading up on encounters with the Negative entities, the general feeling I get is that the means are justified by the end to them. Not something you want to have a cup of tea with. Completely unwavering in their way, infinitely dedicated. As far as the general situation of the "Angels(Confederation) and Demons(Orion)" goes with us, remember it is a battle for the human "soul", not the body. The Body/"Physical Universe" is not real, it is a illusion, a figment of your human imagination/intellect. It gains Orion nothing if they crush the planet in a mass landing, and in the process violate our free will. In this case they lose their control over us once we die. They want us to willingly accept them/their philosophy, that is the goal. They have to bend our free will into that direction, manipulate us into accepting them. The devil works by tempting, so to say I guess. Not to say they wont happily kill/destroy a wanderer though, free will is by density, higher densities are responsible for lower ones. The war in heaven is very far reaching you could say.
No, my friend no. and i shouldnt be even needing to explain this to you, because your proposition is logically negligent :
negative path is the path in which entities are enslaved. IF you are following the negative path, enslaving entities IS something that you SHOULD be doing. the very definition of negative path, is enslaving entities.
It seems to be much simpler than this. To polarize positively, direct your love towards others in its entirety. To polarize negatively, direct it all to yourself in its entirety. The enslavement thing is something Orion exclusive, it is a amendment/addition to the base Negative philosophy/way of being. It is the way they have chose to follow Negative polarization by their own free will. For people of Earth, the hard part comes in defining/knowing what love is. It is a thing, imv, all to absent here. We are just a complex of energy, and energy is all that there is.
in short ; there are dos, and donts for arriving at a certain location at the end of a path. of course you are at liberty to choose any path you like, and change your path however often you want, however without actually walking the path that was chosen, no waypoint will be reached.
It takes great focus I will say, that is where my experience has brought me, it is a issue of focusing on what is important, what is not important just peels away. I am a new person every year.
you cannot 'play' with the dark and polarize. the only occasion in which you would need to 'play with the dark', would be to satisfy the experiential need inside you for experiencing that dark impulse you have in you, and then moving over. even at that point, you will not be polarizing positively while you are polarizing negatively. its not a game of 'random doings' with what one walks a path. when the entity experiences it and learns that it should not engage in that act due to the path it is following, it becomes something the entity should not do. if the entity is still compelled to engage in that act, it means the entity has not learned yet. but when it learns, the law of responsibility will act, and it wont just be a random game of anything you do goes.
Most of the people I know of who played with the dark died, horribly. And fairly quickly I might add. If they didn't die, something happened that traumatized them so bad they will never do it again. Playing isn't something to do in these areas....Just saying :3