(12-10-2009, 04:17 AM)ayadew Wrote: Oh, I see! Well, it's great that you feel better
I think it's quite hard to distinguish if people wish to force their reality upon a person or simply inform. It's a matter of perspective, I'm sure. And perhaps your mother inteprets it as forcing.
I think your mother is at a threshhold, and if she simply can get out of the fear she has from the christianity I'm sure she'll see some wonderful results.
But do let her do that on her own path and time! Know that your very presence is great comfort for her in this time.
Hello ayadew, thanks for the hope of positive perspective.
I really dont think me or my mom feel that the other is trying to force something onto the other. We talk freely most of the time without any problems, but sometimes she expresses the orthodox view and expresses she worries about my soul being saved. Even though she feels this way, I still feel as though it is all out of genuine care for me, not so much she wishes to force something on me. It is hard to describe our relation, I believe between mother and daughter, it is a very unique relation and one might assume that we are trying to convince eachother of a 'right or wrong' way. When sharing thoughts, it can easily be taken as that way.
I have told her many times, there is no right or wrong way, all paths lead to the same place. So it is things like that when she will also give thoughts back to me, and remind me, in a caring way, that she feels we must know Jesus, that this is the ONLY path.
Instead of going round with her about our differences, I came here and allowed myself to talk about the difference, which worked so much better then her and I going in a circle that wouldnt end anyways
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She asked me one day...'what do you think my bible says about what you believe in'....I smiled and said, 'well your bible would probably tell you to 'flee from me'....she laughed...we have both truly tested the unconditional love that exists between 2 people, her more so then I because her belief teaches her to not listen or give any attention to ones own reasoning's.
Thanks to all for helping me to remember to just be thankful for as it is, so it be.
Much love
Lynette
(12-10-2009, 04:30 AM)peregrine Wrote: Hi, Lynette.
This sounds like a situation close to your heart.
I don't know how much of the Ra Material you've read, but there's a recurring idea that you might find useful when trying to sort out your own and your mother's experiences. To wit, each experience is offered to the first chakra first, then if there's no internal reaction to the second, etc. If, however, there is an internal reaction at some particular chakra, then most of the energy of that experience will remain there at that level and proceed no higher until the "congestion" is cleared.
Therefore, if someone is fearful about something on a survival level, there's little point in speaking to them on an intellectual or spiritual level. That's just not where their focus is.
The origin of her, evidently, equating lack of dogmatic conformity with lack of survival might be quite deeply embedded within her...could be related to past life trauma watching her family killed for their heterodox beliefs, for example.
Sometimes people can be drawn out on these matters in an oblique fashion, that is, not by directly quizzing them on their personal irrational beliefs, but by discussing generally the perils and benefits of charting your course in life by what you know to be beautiful, loving and true instead of by slavishly following the party line. General, supportive discussions of that type may be of some service to her as they allow her the space to explore her feelings in a safe context...over some period of time.
Best of luck!
~p~
Thanks for helping me see why others might not be able to see something as we see it, and vise versa. She does have a reoccurring dream and experienced another 'self' in a past life during the days of Jesus. She feels that this self is relation to Pilate's wife and that Pilate and his family went through alot of changes after Jesus was killed. She defiantly feels very tied emotional to that time. I will do my best to allow her this space she needs to explore these feelings in a safe context in a more supportive way without bias. I do try to do this, it is inevitable to happen now and then, because we talk about such things so often. I am gong to try to not say things in ways that I know would make her possibly uncomfortable with due to her own belief.
A work in progress....we are
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