so what did you learn from Shin'Ar?

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Okayness of the thread?

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Great thoughts everyone, especially Tenet Nosce and Ankh. Thank you.

Monica has always been against putting someone on the table for dissection/analysis, and over the past few years that's been a core policy here.

I've asked myself regarding the wisdom of this thread, wondering if it moves outside of those parameters. I feel the goodness in Plenum's intent, especially the self-reflective questions he posed, but wonder as to the polarity in analyzing another. I don't know. However, I consider that, as Ra said, we are the material for study, and Shin'Ar has been quite self-conscious, reflective, and vocal regarding his role as “way-shower” in relationship to the community, and in relationship to the material. I believe that this discussion can be undertaken in a spirit of positivity and respect. I hope it continues to do so.


Proselytism?

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As to my thoughts. It didn't bother me that Shin'Ar has some fundamental disagreements with the Law of One. Disagreement is productive for great discussion.

What initially entered my radar as a moderator was his open admission to not having read the body of work on whose pages this forum is built. However after apprising him of the guidelines, he respectfully jumped into the Law of One material in order to participate as a more informed member. Thank you for this, Shin’Ar.

Otherwise the only catalyst I perceived from the one known as Shin’Ar did not so much regard the content of his worldview, but some of the, what I would call, pushiness in his sharing of that worldview.

It's one thing to say, "I disagree with some of the basic principles of your common philosophy, Bring4th members." And another to say, "You guys are wrong, you're in danger for believing what you believe, and you would do well to listen to me. My light is the greater here and sheds more illumination on the true situation than your own discernment is capable. Especially as I'm connected with these ancient laws and orders, and what not."

I've had many discussions with those I would consider of fundamentalist Christian orientation, and key among their shared philosophy is the rightness of and need for proselytism. One of the most commonly invoked analogies that I’ve heard for this argument is this. One person sees another person heading for a cliff without being aware of the cliff.

In such a case, would it not be right for the person seeing the real situation to notify the one heading for the cliff? And not just notify, but implore the one about to go over the edge to slow down, stop, and change direction? (Translated to their thinking, the cliff could be avoided by accepting Jesus Christ as their personal savior.)

The justification of Shin’Ar’s approach bears important similarities here. In all sincerity, he believe he sees a cliff many if not all Ra-studying individuals are headed for, and thus, in his duties to the light, it is incumbent upon him to sound the warning sirens of the impending danger.

In my limited viewpoint, Shin’Ar approaches discussion in the forums with a similar intent, as he wrote here. With no disrespect for you, Shin’Ar, and the perfect expression of the Creator that you are, as you are, that intent somewhat borders on the energies of proselytism, I think, because implicit in it is the calling yourself to service, rather than responding to the request.


Service?

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Another aspect that divides the polarities that I’m not sure you’ve yet discussed is how each polarity views service. In short and in my non-authoritative opinion, the positive polarity recognizes that the positive being can only serve to the extent that it is requested. (What constitutes that request is a subject of a lifetime of consideration.) The negative being recognizes that it need not await the call for service but must instead go on a self-initiated conquest or crusade to serve entities who are perceived to be in need of the negative entity’s service.

There is a lot of gray area, ambiguity, and nuance between the two. And I’m not in a million years lumping you into a negative category. Just drawing the broad outlines of the two paths, and reflecting on my source of catalyst with your posting.

And in all fairness you seem to lack the zealotry and fervor of the religious fanatic in that you're willing to discuss and consider other points of view, and you're not single-minded in a God-told-me-to-do-this Quest to save the unredeemed. You have discussions on lots of subjects other than your preferred passions, and you seem well capable of relaxing and just enjoying the vibe.

You are clearly on a path of seeking to understand your self, as well.


Cheers!

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Otherwise, cheers to the good discussion you’ve helped engender! Cheers to your great sense of humor! (Both intentional and unintentional humor. When you in all sincerity asked abridgetoofar how you could frame your words so as to respectfully tell him how you perceive him to be "deluded", I laughed my arse off.) And cheers to bringing polarity to the front and center of discussion!

Polarity is absolutely central to the third-density experience. It is a topic incapable of being exhausted. It is what our 75,000-year (give or take) sojourn through this density consists of.

The problem, as it were, of suffering and “evil” in this world poses the greatest challenge to the philosopher, the theologian, and all thinking and feeling peoples, the pious and the unbelieving alike.

I commend your attempt to make sense of it for yourself.

With love, Gary


PS: I use section headers just to break up large blocks of text and make it easier on the eyes. I abhor the length of my writings at times.