03-08-2012, 09:00 PM
(03-08-2012, 10:01 AM)3DMonkey Wrote:Misunderstanding here. Wasn't going to get into an explanation, but the idea is that the subdensities map to the vMemes. Along with that is the idea that one can contact intelligent infinity/energy in any vMeme. But "We are usually not able to activate a level without being competent at previous levels. We can have brief ‘peak experiences’ of higher levels, but we inevitably slip back to our base level (Integral Psychology, Wilber 2000). Graves stressed, however, that the progression through the levels was an inter-dependent process rather than a linear one (Beck & Cowan 1996)." (http://www.vmacgill.net/paper.htm)(03-08-2012, 12:58 AM)zenmaster Wrote:(03-08-2012, 12:44 AM)3DMonkey Wrote: Yeah. What I'm saying is that we can call intelligent energy whatever we want because it can't be measured either way. 'Whatever suits your fancy'Yes, you can subjectively describe it in a variety of ways - which was the question asked in the first place. But "Homo sum, humani nihil a me alienum puto", the experiences are pretty much the same and it's a fairly obviously recognizable description. So while you can describe it the way you want, the form of awareness provided is gonna be brain and experiential-nexus interpreted and congruent. No one is that much of an island where they can stay connected and work creatively moment-to-moment. So we have the similar experience of awareness to describe, and that's it. We know what it is, given our nature. Interestingly, Ken Wilber commented that it could only be described from the standpoint of one's current valuing system (which is experiencer's current 'subdensity').
You, of all people, should see that this is one of those "fill in the blank with unconscious bias here" types of rhetoric
"...when one has a peak experience of a higher state of consciousness, it will necessarily be interpreted through the dominant lens (i.e., vMeme or developmental level). When one returns to everyday consciousness, the peak state, no matter how spectacular, can only be understood within the context of the current worldview. So, for example, when a person whose center of gravity is in the Blue vMeme (e.g., a devout Catholic) has an experience of nondual consciousness during a session of centering prayer, s/he will almost certainly experience that state of consciousness as a union with his/her notion of God (think Saint Theresa of Avila)."
(http://integral-options.blogspot.com/200...rchive.htm)
So even though the experience is necessarily ineffable, there will be some kind of a personal meaning for the experience, which may be explained according to one's worldview (vMeme/subdensity).
The question was "What does it FEEL LIKE". I took that to mean what does the change in personal awareness suggest? There no balance here with respect to awareness, there is action and motion according to attention and feedback. So we tend to move from one conscious state to another here. These states can indeed be described according to the perceived contrast from some other state (typically the average state of awareness).
So although one may know that each state is necessarily unfolding from intelligent infinity, one's conscious awareness is obviously NOT able to appreciate this in actuality - even with a strong sense of presence. I could be wrong, but it seems rather clear that the question was not intended to ask one's opinion of potentials. To me your answer does not seem appropriate in this context.