2007.03.25 The Female Orgasm

[Ankh]

Ankh, I am not sure how and from where you are extrapolating this interpretation.

No one, as far as I can tell, is saying that women are "better, smarter, more evolved" than men in any way. And certainly no one is suggesting the sorts of unenlightened views toward either sex cited above, unless I am missing something in this thread. :-/

Diana, I do not wish to continue the discussion of who said what in this kind of way. Do not screw my words, if you wish to continue this conversation, as I have no interest in saying stuff like - did I say "better, smarter or evolved" or this or that, etc etc...

I'm actually laughing at this. What an amazing example of how we all have our biases and distortions, and how words can be misconstrued even more when using this communication medium.

Check this out:

My single statement

...women have a sacred responsibility to help guide men from mere lust (lower chakras only) to the spiritual expression of sexuality (communion on the higher chakras also).

got misinterpreted to mean that:

1. women should be subservient to men
2. women are more spiritually advanced than men
3. women have a duty or obligation to men
4. women should guide men in all ways not just sexual
5. women and men are both locked into societal roles
6. men are incapable of feeling emotions
7. men need women to show them how to love
8. men are essentially just upright dogs with paychecks

Did I leave any out? All these misinterpretations came from that single sentence, and yet I didn't intend any of them. In fact, I emphatically disagree with all of them!

My statement was intended to convey one idea only: the integration of lust and love.

Both men and women lust, and both men and women love. But, in my understanding of what Ra and Q'uo are referring to, as well as ancient Taoist and Tantric teachings, it is the integration of lust and love that is the special role of the yin essence, potentially embodied by women.

Monica, I don't see any fun here right now. I am sorry. Here is why: I still find your statement offensive. I dropped this discussion after my last post, and thought it would be enough now, but see now that it is not. What I wanted to address furthermore, but did not is that you misinterpreted my words again by saying:

You are finding it offensive because you are still, apparently, thinking that I'm saying women are more evolved than men. I agree that would be offensive, if that's what I was saying, but it isn't. I repeat: it's not about who is the more evolved. (Please see the last edit in the post right before this one. I was editing that post while you were writing yours.)

I did not find it offensive because of thinking that you were saying that women are more evolved than men. Did I say it anywhere? What I was saying is that your quote - of women having a responsibility to guide men from mere lust, or lower nexi, to the spiritual expression of sexuality in higher centers - in short, exactly as you wrote it yourself, is offensive.

Furthermore, please do not confuse what I was trying to say with what Ali was trying to say, as we are two different individuals and had different things we wished to express. At least as I saw it.