2007.03.25 The Female Orgasm

[Ankh]

Before that, I want to add that I personally reacted at your first statement

My interpretation of Ra's words on the subject is that women have a sacred responsibility to help guide men from mere lust (lower chakras only) to the spiritual expression of sexuality (communion on the higher chakras also).

as women having a responsibility to help to guide men from mere lust to the spiritual expression of sexuality. This is what caused my personal reaction

Yes, I get that you and Ali reacted to my choice of word responsibility. I tried to clarify that here:

It is worth considering that Ra notes that Chakras 1,3,5 have distinctly male overtones; whereas, chakras 2,4,6 have distinctly female ones. If we are to sort out specific honors or responsibilities (recall that every honor is also a responsibility)

Ah! So that's why I chose the word responsibility without even thinking about it! Thank you!

I will stop right here in order to clarify again (as I have already said that once before) - I did not react at that specific word - responsibility - as I already knew from the Ra material that responsibility equals honor.

16.40 Questioner: Can you tell me a little more about this honor/responsibility concept?

Ra: I am Ra. Each responsibility is an honor; each honor, a responsibility.

neither in the Ra material nor the Q'uo sessions, is there any advice to women to guide men into higher centers from the lower ones, as an activation of the green center means that the male is already in the "higher centers". Do you have any quotes to point me into this direction - I would gladly reconsider my understanding and opinion.

Well I already provided the quote which, in my interpretation, does indeed offer this advice:

Wait, it gets better:

If you are a woman, you treasure yourself. You do not worry about having an orgasm, as if it were the same thing as a man’s orgasm for, my friends, it is not. Certainly it can be made rough and primitive. It can have the energy simply of sexual congress in the red ray. However, it is far more likely for the feminine temperament to appreciate what’s going on when that orgasm happens to her. For a woman tends to have more of a connection with the unseen world. So, she is actually more aware of the kind of energy that is pouring through her when she is expressing an orgasm physically.

Consequently, a woman in that position is a priestess, just as a man is a priest, in sexual intercourse when they are working together sacredly. But to the man goes that kind of energy that is called by this instrument “yang,” to the woman goes the energy that is considered by this instrument “yin,” so that, in the sexual energy exchange that is sacred in nature, from the man comes that powerful energy of physical wellness and vitality—that which you think of when you think of the word “masculine.”

What the feminine offers is the inspiration from spirit. That is the other portion of that male expression of strength, power and virility. The woman is expressing acceptance, unconditional love, and the energy of the Creator Itself. For you see, the woman, unlike man, is possessed of a direct route or connection to the womb of, shall we say, Mother Nature or the red-ray energy of planet Earth.

The woman has that sea of infinity and eternity flowing through her. She is much closer to her priestliness because she must tend to the circumstances of her menses monthly and she feels the pull of the moon, the tides, and her passions in a way that, generally speaking, men are not encouraged to do in your culture.

Since you interpret it differently, then I don't think anything else I could say would alter that. We may have to just agree to disagree!

Monica, in the above quote Q'uo is talking about what happens after the green ray activation, in the context of sexual energy transfers. What you talking about is something that happens before the green ray activation, in the context of everyday life activities and sexual mating. I don't see anywhere in that quote Q'uo advicing women to guide men from lower centers into the higher ones. Could you point me into specific sentence/s where you see it?

In my opinion, Ra and Q'uo both seem to indicate the differences aren't just societal or subtle, but very distinct, in terms of function as related to energies. That is the point I'm trying to make.

Ok, I don't see that any of them saying anything about differences in function of our genders, but accept it as your interpretation in order to progress in this conversation.

So what you mean is that - in your interpretation of the session/quote of Q'uo/Ra which we are discussing in this thread - women guide men from lower centers into the higher ones?

I do not see anywhere in the session/Ra quote that it is a female who will guide a male from lower centers into higher ones. Do you?

Yes I do, in the Q'uote I just posted. But Ankh, you are leaving out much of what I said. Respectfully, you are oversimplifying my words. I attempted to draw a distinction between a man whose green ray is activated, and his translation of that to sex. That is the part you are missing. Anything else I could say would be repeating what I've already said, so I will stop here for now. Peace.

Monica, it's ok if you wish to stop. I want nothing but the peace myself. I am not fighting you. But I do not understand. You said that I have left out much of what you said, but I re-read this whole thread today and I still don't understand what you are trying to say. You say that I am missing the part of your attempts to draw a distinction between a man whose green ray is activated and his translations of that to sex. Ok, I surely did. Would you mind to explain that if it has something to do with the discussion we are having right now? If it can bring more clarity? If it can resolve the non-understanding and confusion we seem to experience?

But we got there in the end

Did we?

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