2007.03.25 The Female Orgasm

[Monica]

What I was referring to which you answer above, is your statement where you say that your interpretation of Ra is that it is women's responsibility

Apparently it's the word responsibility that is causing this reaction. How about sacred task? Or sacred opportunity?

to guide men from mere lust, or lower centers, to the spiritual expression of sexuality.

This discussion is, in my mind, a continuation of the other thread I linked to. Much was said in that thread that is on the surface of my mind, that might not be clear to others coming into this new conversation. I apologize for forgetting that there may be gaps in the conversation.

In the other thread, there was much discussion about porn and women's role in it, and the spiritual implications of that. This is all I will say here. The other thread delves more deeply into this, and might explain why I said what I did.

My interpretation of Q'uo is that women *tend* to have more connection with the unseen world, and may guide men to the inspiration of the spirit, *after* they have *both* reached the green ray transfer.

After they have both reached green ray, there is energy transfer at the green ray level. This doesn't mean that they aren't already affecting one another, though. Again, I wasn't referring to only energy transfer, but mutual catalyst as well.

I do not argue with you there, Monica, although have some questions about what is "culture" and what is "nature". But would like to add that both sexes, i.e. both men and women, would perhaps feel better with an emotional connection in the physical, intimate activity.

Surely. But we know from the material that there is a difference in their energies, so it makes sense to me that, while culture does play a role, a lot of it is indeed nature. It's part of the design, apparently. I don't think it's sexist to acknowledge that. We don't have to go to great lengths to minimize the differences, when Ra and Q'uo have just stated that there are differences.

I do not see anywhere myself that either Ra or Q'uo refers to this being a woman's responsibility.

...That it is a responsibility of both, to guide each other into the sacred moments in intimate expressions.

Are you saying you do think it's a responsibility, but Ra/Q'uo didn't say that? If so, then we're saying the same thing.

I totally agree with your thoughts here. But what *Ra* meant in that particular quote is that female offers "inspiration, healing, and blessing to the male" through the sexual energy transfer.

I prefer not to speak for Ra. You have your interpretation of Ra's words, and I have mine.

The orgasm, as I understand it personally, is something that can happen both with or without energy transfer, i.e. when the green center is opened and when it's not.

Yes. But, in my experience, it's quite different when there is energy transfer and when there isn't.

This conversation refers to "the" female orgasm, as though it were the same all the time.

But as I interpret the Q'uo quote, it is when the green ray is involved, that the female orgasm becomes useful:

I agree with that. My only point is that, in my opinion, the inherent tendency of the female to store more emotional energy, affects catalyst in the relationship in ways beyond the sexual.

I totally agree with you in the above statement. What I disagree with you, as I've already stated, is the statement where you said that it is women's responsibility to guide men from mere lust in lower centers, to spiritual expression of it. I totally agree though, that it is a responsibility/honor of both sexes.

I thought I clarified in an earlier post that both sexes have responsibilities, once they are consciously working on the relationship.

We're really not disagreeing here.

In that quote, as I see it, you do not talk about daily life, but the sexual activity yourself, by saying "spiritual expression of sexuality". Did you mean the daily activities as well, but did not say it, or what do you mean?

Based on my own personal long-term monogamous relationship, I don't separate daily life from sexual energies.

I think that both men and women can still have some blockages in lower centers after have reached the heart center. Not only men.

Undoubtedly! But they may manifest differently.

Q'uo stated that the higher centers are reached together as a couple, while Ra says the above, i.e. that after the heart center is reached, the journey does not have to be done together anymore so to speak. But I think that I got it now. What Q'uo specifically mean, in my understanding, is that *if/when* this journey is expressed in mutual orgasm, together, it lights up all that they state it lights up, while Ra talking about sexual energy transfers as a way for an individual of opening the higher centers, above the heart.

I would disagree here. My experience is that the higher chakras do indeed activate, and there is an energy exchange, with an orgasm by either party. It doesn't have to be simultaneous, thought that is of course very nice.

As I said before, this session is about female orgasm specifically, so Q'uo talking about the female orgasms specifically. *Nevertheless*, look what they are saying:

When working with sexual energy, it is very important to realize that you are dealing with enormously powerful forces, and therefore, as you become more intimate with your partner, you need to become ever more careful, ever more affectionate, and ever more thoughtful about how you say things as well as what you say. For you have become a powerful person to your mate and you wish to treat this mate with all the honor and respect that you would give to the Creator Himself or Herself.

They advice *both* sexes to be gentle and careful with each other.

Yes, agreed. Both.

Power expressions then between sexes may vary. Men may express their power in the ways that you've mentioned above. Women's power expressions may be different, like manipulation, words that hurt in an indirect way, talking bad about him behind his back, "headaches" etc. When there are blockages in lower centers, negative power expressions can be possible. My point is that negative power expressions are not something that should be assigned to men only. Women do that too.

I'm not sure what I said that gave the impression that only men had blockages. ?? Yes I agree absolutely.