02-29-2012, 04:46 PM
(02-29-2012, 01:27 PM)Bring4th_Monica Wrote: As I explained to Ali, I was referring to mated couples, presupposing that there is already a green ray connection.
A man might truly love his partner but still have a disconnect between lower chakra sex and sacred sex. The woman can help him by doing what Ra said females do: offering emotional energy as part of the sex act.
What I was referring to which you answer above, is your statement where you say that your interpretation of Ra is that it is women's responsibility to guide men from mere lust, or lower centers, to the spiritual expression of sexuality. Of course it is your interpretation which is very personal. However, I do not see anywhere myself that either Ra or Q'uo refers to this being a woman's responsibility. My own interpretation of that particular Ra quote is:
1. Females store mental or mental/emotional energy.
2. Males store physical energy.
3. When both have reached the green ray center, the exchange of these energies may occur.
My interpretation of Q'uo is that women *tend* to have more connection with the unseen world, and may guide men to the inspiration of the spirit, *after* they have *both* reached the green ray transfer.
Bring4th_Monica Wrote:It is true that statistically, women report a greater significance to emotional connection affecting physical satisfaction. So Q'uo's words ring true.
I do not argue with you there, Monica, although have some questions about what is "culture" and what is "nature". But would like to add that both sexes, i.e. both men and women, would perhaps feel better with an emotional connection in the physical, intimate activity. That it is a responsibility of both, to guide each other into the sacred moments in intimate expressions.
Bring4th_Monica Wrote:Quo Wrote:How can you, then, value the female orgasm? You value it by creating a safe atmosphere in which such a thing can take place. You value it by continuing an atmosphere of gentleness, honor, romance, if you will: those small things that, to the feminine temperament, indicate a genuine and deep interest and not simply the red-ray sexual energy of lust.
That sounds like good advice for the male. And, interpreting Ra's words, good advice for the female might be to allow a safe space for the man to acknowledge and express his emotions, something that isn't easy for many men.
I would call both of these sacred responsibilities. So there is no inequality here.
I totally agree with your thoughts here. But what *Ra* meant in that particular quote is that female offers "inspiration, healing, and blessing to the male" through the sexual energy transfer.
Bring4th_Monica Wrote:That's true. But this thread is about the female orgasmnot just sexual energy exchange, though sexual energy exchange is a big part of the discussion. Energy exchange can happen anyway, but it seems reasonable to assume that if either partner isn't considerate of the other person's pleasure, that would block the energy exchange.
The orgasm, as I understand it personally, is something that can happen both with or without energy transfer, i.e. when the green center is opened and when it's not. But as I interpret the Q'uo quote, it is when the green ray is involved, that the female orgasm becomes useful:
Q'uo Wrote:This is green-ray affection and it is at this point that the female orgasm becomes useful. There are more miles to go indeed in exploring sacred sexuality, but this is where it begins.
Bring4th_Monica Wrote:I disagree that women cannot guide men until after having sacred sex. Both men and women guide each other on a daily basis, in many ways. They provide myriad catalyst to each other. It's a normal part of the relationship. I think it would be inaccurate to say women aren't guiding men or vice versa. Just by relating to each other, even before they start having sex, this is happening.
I totally agree with you in the above statement. What I disagree with you, as I've already stated, is the statement where you said that it is women's responsibility to guide men from mere lust in lower centers, to spiritual expression of it. I totally agree though, that it is a responsibility/honor of both sexes.
Bring4th_Monica Wrote:Ah, I see the reason for the apparent disagreement. If I'm understanding you correctly, you are focusing on the sex act itself. When I made that statement, I was referring to daily life as well, not just the sex act. As I said previously, the man may have reached the heart center, but still have difficulties and blockages pertaining to sex, in the lower chakras.
In that quote, as I see it, you do not talk about daily life, but the sexual activity yourself, by saying "spiritual expression of sexuality". Did you mean the daily activities as well, but did not say it, or what do you mean? In that case, I am not seeing Ra mentioning it either, or do they?
I think that both men and women can still have some blockages in lower centers after have reached the heart center. Not only men.
Bring4th_Monica Wrote:(02-29-2012, 04:12 AM)Ankh Wrote: Which is, interesting enough, a bit contradictory to what Ra says in this matter:
session 32:5 Wrote:It will be noted that once green ray energy transfer has been achieved by two mind/body/spirits in mating, the further rays are available without both entities having the necessity to progress equally.
What's contradictory? I don't see any contradiction.
Q'uo stated that the higher centers are reached together as a couple, while Ra says the above, i.e. that after the heart center is reached, the journey does not have to be done together anymore so to speak. But I think that I got it now. What Q'uo specifically mean, in my understanding, is that *if/when* this journey is expressed in mutual orgasm, together, it lights up all that they state it lights up, while Ra talking about sexual energy transfers as a way for an individual of opening the higher centers, above the heart.
Bring4th_Monica Wrote:Look at the advice Q'uo offered to men: to be more sensitive to the woman. I'd say that's allowing the woman to guide him in the expression of his emotions and the development of caring/consideration as part of the sex act, instead of viewing sex from the perspective of the lower chakras only, which has historically been quite a challenge for men in particular. (As evidenced by men raping and pillaging, etc.)
As I said before, this session is about female orgasm specifically, so Q'uo talking about the female orgasms specifically. *Nevertheless*, look what they are saying:
Q'uo Wrote:When working with sexual energy, it is very important to realize that you are dealing with enormously powerful forces, and therefore, as you become more intimate with your partner, you need to become ever more careful, ever more affectionate, and ever more thoughtful about how you say things as well as what you say. For you have become a powerful person to your mate and you wish to treat this mate with all the honor and respect that you would give to the Creator Himself or Herself.
They advice *both* sexes to be gentle and careful with each other.
Power expressions then between sexes may vary. Men may express their power in the ways that you've mentioned above. Women's power expressions may be different, like manipulation, words that hurt in an indirect way, talking bad about him behind his back, "headaches" etc. When there are blockages in lower centers, negative power expressions can be possible. My point is that negative power expressions are not something that should be assigned to men only. Women do that too.
Bring4th_Monica Wrote:Has the confusion been cleared?
This is something that you need to ask Ali.
Pssst! Ali, is confusion less now?
