2007.03.25 The Female Orgasm

[Monica]

First of all, you mean Q'uo, right? This is a Q'uo session that we are discussing here, not the Ra material. You continue saying Ra in your later posts, when I think that you mean Q'uo, but we'll see. The Ra quote that you made in this thread though, goes definitely with this topic as well, in order to illuminate some things:

I meant Ra. The quote I posted. Quoting Ra is always on-topic.

Prerequisite for the sexual energy transfer is that the energy has reached the green center, or the heart. I believe that in the quote that plenum provided about female orgasm, Q'uo addresses that kind of energy transfer when they are talking about sacred sex.

So, I believe that saying that it is women's responsibility to "guide men from mere lust (lower chakras only) to the spiritual expression of sexuality (communion on the higher chakras also)", is not what Q'uo or Ra said.

As I explained to Ali, I was referring to mated couples, presupposing that there is already a green ray connection.

A man might truly love his partner but still have a disconnect between lower chakra sex and sacred sex. The woman can help him by doing what Ra said females do: offering emotional energy as part of the sex act.

There is nothing in that particular quote that says that women need some kind of prerequisite in order to create a safe atmosphere for women to have an orgasm.

I didn't say anything about the Ra quote saying that. Q'uo said that.

It is true that statistically, women report a greater significance to emotional connection affecting physical satisfaction. So Q'uo's words ring true.

However, Q'uo addresses this matter:

How can you, then, value the female orgasm? You value it by creating a safe atmosphere in which such a thing can take place. You value it by continuing an atmosphere of gentleness, honor, romance, if you will: those small things that, to the feminine temperament, indicate a genuine and deep interest and not simply the red-ray sexual energy of lust.

That sounds like good advice for the male. And, interpreting Ra's words, good advice for the female might be to allow a safe space for the man to acknowledge and express his emotions, something that isn't easy for many men.

I would call both of these sacred responsibilities. So there is no inequality here.

You see here that Q'uo are talking about the whole atmosphere and not only about the initial stages.

Absolutely. We're talking about 2 different things here. I was attempting to validate Q'uo's and Ra's words, not dispute them.

Mind also their choice of word "value" when speaking of a female orgasm. However, Ra said that this orgasm is not necessary for the sexual energy transfer to occur:

That's true. But this thread is about the female orgasm not just sexual energy exchange, though sexual energy exchange is a big part of the discussion. Energy exchange can happen anyway, but it seems reasonable to assume that if either partner isn't considerate of the other person's pleasure, that would block the energy exchange.

It seems to me that what the quote was referring to was when the orgasms aren't simultaneous. Energy is still being exchanged. This is reassuring because one person pleasuring the other can still result in energy exchange, and it releases any potential fretting if it doesn't always happen for both partners simultaneously.

Q'ou talk *specifically* about the female orgasm in this session, and not about men's. Nevertheless, what they are saying is that:

Consequently, if two entities choose to become magical in their sexual practice, they have the ability to become great ambassadors, if you will, of light. For as they consciously call up this power that they have together and give it to each other, when they are completely saturated and filled up with this energy of orgasm, they then allow that orgasm to shine, both into the world of time/space and the world of space/time.

In the world of time/space, it is a kind of birth of created light. You have, in your own way, lightened that expression of the Creator that is occurring upon your Earth at this particular moment. You have energized and healed, with your magically offered energy, the natural function of your sexuality.

Women may guide men, but it is done *after* they have both reached the heart center, and become magical, but mind how much they use word "together".

I disagree that women cannot guide men until after having sacred sex. Both men and women guide each other on a daily basis, in many ways. They provide myriad catalyst to each other. It's a normal part of the relationship. I think it would be inaccurate to say women aren't guiding men or vice versa. Just by relating to each other, even before they start having sex, this is happening.

Ah, I see the reason for the apparent disagreement. If I'm understanding you correctly, you are focusing on the sex act itself. When I made that statement, I was referring to daily life as well, not just the sex act. As I said previously, the man may have reached the heart center, but still have difficulties and blockages pertaining to sex, in the lower chakras.

See this thread for more on this.

Of course, sometimes the roles might be reversed.

Which is, interesting enough, a bit contradictory to what Ra says in this matter:

It will be noted that once green ray energy transfer has been achieved by two mind/body/spirits in mating, the further rays are available without both entities having the necessity to progress equally.

What's contradictory? I don't see any contradiction.

Did you mean Ra or Q'uo?

Both. At that point I was specifically referring to Ra, but the Q'uote you just posted also supports my premise.

Look at the advice Q'uo offered to men: to be more sensitive to the woman. I'd say that's allowing the woman to guide him in the expression of his emotions and the development of caring/consideration as part of the sex act, instead of viewing sex from the perspective of the lower chakras only, which has historically been quite a challenge for men in particular. (As evidenced by men raping and pillaging, etc.)

I think that confusion between two of you started with the post, where you stated that women are tasked to guide men from mere lust, or lower centers, to the higher ones, to which Ali replied in the first place. Then you said the above and this is where confusion started.

Has the confusion been cleared?

Which specific Ra quote's does the above correlates to?

The one I posted.