2007.03.25 The Female Orgasm

[Monica]

Does this mean you are saying that "other men require to be guided by women to be able to express their sexuality in a spiritual way other than merely as lust" while your husband is the exception to this rule?

No, not at all. I'm not saying any man is "required" to be anything. I'm saying that Ra's words make sense to me.

Ah we agree on that

Whew!

Actually, we agree on a lot. It may seem like we're disagreeing, but I actually agree with most of what you said, in regards to 3D relationships.

I think the reason our conversation seems to be taking 2 different tracks is that, while I agree with your comments about 3D relationships, ie., wherein people are tasked with opening the heart, my comments are primarily referring to sexual energy transfer at the level of the higher chakras.

But do you also agree with me that "the idea that motivations for sex for men and women are totally different" is as sexist and nonsensical as the idea that women are naturally subservient to men?

I understand what you're getting at here, and of course I agree, in general. Of course there are many men with wide open hearts, and many women who just want to "scratch an itch." And that's not even taking into consideration gays, transgenders, and other complexities.

(Speaking of whom, I'd like to extend apologies if any of this conversation is offensive to any gays who might be reading this. My own comments are focused on the male-female relationship, because that's the only kind I know anything about, and because I'm primarily interested in exploring Ra's words on the subject. My words are not intended to exclude or judge those with different sexuality.)

I never called the sexes same... I called them equal, but that was not the essential content of my communication. I called the sexist beliefs inappropriate. And that is my point.

Agreed. Which is why I must clarify: My comments are directed at the sexual energy exchange at the higher chakras, which applies to a very small segment of the population, and aren't directed at people in general.

I often read opinions about what men and women are supposed to be.

What do you think about the Ra quote? How do you interpret and apply Ra's words?

Just as a thought experiment.. Can you name one relevant aspect where men and women are inherently different?

Their plumbing is different. And women can make babies and men can't.

According to ancient Chinese secrets, the way the energy percolates and finally explodes, is different for men than for women.

And can you express this in down to earth terms. So that I can explain it to my next door neighbor who is not spiritually inclined? Because I can't, other than naming the x and y chromosomes.

I don't think you need to explain it to your next door neighbor. This is a discussion about sexuality from a Law of One perspective.

Mind you "inherent" means there can be no man or woman who deviates from this inherent truth. The quality comes inherent with your gender. Again. I often read about what men and women are supposed to be.. But it never goes for every man or every woman.

Would you agree that the archetypal energies that animate us all, are inherently the same for everyone? But just the expression of each may vary?

It's as if people are talking about stereotypes in their mind and not about real people.

I'm not talking about stereotypes at all. I agree with you that stereotypes aren't cool.

I'm talking about archetypal energies. Those are the same, but may be in different stages of expression, depending on the person.

The female energy resides in both males and females, and vice versa. And in those with non-conventional sexualities, the configuration may be quite different. For example, 2 gay men...1 might be much more in touch with his emotions than the other. As another example, think of a woman who isn't in touch with her emotions mated with a man who is very in touch with his emotions. For them, the roles might be reversed. But the energies are the same.

Does this clarify?

While I see beauty in the symmetry of this theory, I don't believe it to be correct.. I think better sex leads to a deeper emotional connection for both genders.

The key word there was initial.

This is of course a generalization, but having read the original texts, they were saying that women tend to get more aroused when they are emotionally connected, whereas men tended to not have any trouble with arousal, whether they were emotionally connected or not. This may be true for men too, but the emotional connection tends to be more important for women, at the foreplay stage. Yes yes this is a stereotype but that doesn't mean there isn't truth in it. Just relaying what the Chinese sages said...which, again, I think correlates to what Ra said, generally speaking.

Obviously there are all sorts of exceptions and deviations. But, as an archetypal pattern, if it's true, I don't think it's demeaning to either sex in any way. Rather, it may help explain traditional stereotypes.

Men and women have both broken free of traditional stereotypes to a large degree, but there might also have been something lost in the process.

I think an emotional connection leads to better sexual experience for both genders. I personally need an emotional connection before I can enjoy sex. And I know for a fact that most men are like this. I know more women than men who have no problem picking up random guys just to scratch an itch.

A woman picking up some random guy just to "scratch an itch" isn't likely to have an energy exchange in the higher chakras, in that encounter.