Copied and pasted from the 2012 & Death thread to stay on-topic
In it's full context:
"Harvesting" seems to imply that the harvest is complete. Ra uses this term with regards to the levels/graduations of the harvest process in it's entirely.
If you search for the term Harvesting on LOO.info, Ra's use of the term is very consistent contextually.
A key example:
Harvesting is used with graduation. Transferable terms.
It appears that:
Harvest = current tense; in progress
Harvesting = past tense; complete
Actually, if you read each Q&A using the above 'harvesting' link, they are nearly all in the context of completion, while the 'harvest' is about the process. Have a look for yourself. Of course, each is open to one's own interpretation.
Do not ignore context. Ra is specific with words. This sentence is in no way ambiguous, and shouldn't be 'muddied' due to other potential interpretations in other answers. It stands on it's own.
While true, there are examples of each, you seem to have missed the crux of the discussion; the context of these two quotes in particular...
1) B's find, wondering if this meant that the harvest has not started
2) Ra using harvesting and graduation synonymously
Considering that 1) is the only direct quote which could be interpreted as the harvest having not begun, it seems, after comparisons with quote 2) (and many others), it could also be interpreted as:
"Ra: The harvesting is not yet" = "the harvest is not yet complete".
Combine that with the plethora of quotes listed in the first post, along with Q'uo's words, and the lack of data suggesting otherwise, the data is quite conclusive. In my opinion, of course :¬)
Some more examples (quotes show tense/process/completion):
Care to explain this?
In terms of completion:
Note how when harvesting is used, it's postfixed with process. This is not the case with the term 'harvest'
To sum it all up in three concise quotes:
In this context, graduation == harvesting...
The harvest is ongoing still...
This really, unless one does not trust Ra explicitly, should end all discussion on the subject. You either believe that Ra contradicts 'himself', which would put all of the Ra Material in question, or that the term harvesting can mean graduation. Which I might add, is used synonymously!
Peace and love :¬)
(12-21-2011, 11:08 PM)βαθμιαίος Wrote:(12-21-2011, 08:25 AM)Namaste Wrote: "I am Ra. The harvest is now"
Ra also said "the harvesting is not yet." (6.19)
In it's full context:
Quote:6.19 Questioner: Is it possible to estimate what percent of the present population will inhabit the fourth-density planet?
Ra: The harvesting is not yet, thus, estimation is meaningless.
"Harvesting" seems to imply that the harvest is complete. Ra uses this term with regards to the levels/graduations of the harvest process in it's entirely.
If you search for the term Harvesting on LOO.info, Ra's use of the term is very consistent contextually.
A key example:
Quote:34.16 Questioner: Would the red ray, an intense red ray, then be used as an index for seniority in incarnation as well as an intense violet ray?
Ra: I am Ra. This is partially correct. In the graduation or harvesting to fourth-density positive, the red ray is seen only as that, which being activated, is the basis for all that occurs in vibratory levels, the sum of this being violet ray energy.
Harvesting is used with graduation. Transferable terms.
It appears that:
Harvest = current tense; in progress
Harvesting = past tense; complete
(12-22-2011, 10:14 AM)zenmaster Wrote:(12-22-2011, 09:49 AM)Namaste Wrote: Harvesting is used with graduation. Transferable terms.It's also used without graduation, non-transferrable terms
(12-22-2011, 09:49 AM)Namaste Wrote: It appears that:Harvest is also used past tense - complete and harvesting used both in future tense and present tense - incomplete.
Harvest = current tense; in progress
Harvesting = past tense; complete
Actually, if you read each Q&A using the above 'harvesting' link, they are nearly all in the context of completion, while the 'harvest' is about the process. Have a look for yourself. Of course, each is open to one's own interpretation.
Quote:Ra: I am Ra. This is partially correct. In the graduation or harvesting to fourth-density positive
Do not ignore context. Ra is specific with words. This sentence is in no way ambiguous, and shouldn't be 'muddied' due to other potential interpretations in other answers. It stands on it's own.
(12-22-2011, 10:38 AM)zenmaster Wrote:(12-22-2011, 10:27 AM)Namaste Wrote: Actually, if you read each Q&A using the above 'harvesting' link, they are nearly all in the context of completion, .
present (ongoing) tense:
"it may be noted that all possible opportunities for incarnation are being taken at this time due to your harvesting process"
"Dealing with a plane such as this third-density at this harvesting,"
"It is a privilege to be allowed this early an incarnation as there is much experiential catalyst in service to other-selves at this harvesting."
future:
"violet-ray energy field will determine the harvesting"
(12-22-2011, 10:27 AM)Namaste Wrote: while the 'harvest' is about the process. Have a look for yourself. Of course, each is open to one's own interpretation
past:
"The harvest was none"
"The harvest of that time"
future:
"The harvest for us will be"
"the harvest will still be"
"will be included in the harvest."
While true, there are examples of each, you seem to have missed the crux of the discussion; the context of these two quotes in particular...
1) B's find, wondering if this meant that the harvest has not started
Quote:6.19 Questioner: Is it possible to estimate what percent of the present population will inhabit the fourth-density planet?
Ra: The harvesting is not yet, thus, estimation is meaningless.
2) Ra using harvesting and graduation synonymously
Quote:34.16 Questioner: Would the red ray, an intense red ray, then be used as an index for seniority in incarnation as well as an intense violet ray?
Ra: I am Ra. This is partially correct. In the graduation or harvesting to fourth-density positive, the red ray is seen only as that, which being activated, is the basis for all that occurs in vibratory levels, the sum of this being violet ray energy.
Considering that 1) is the only direct quote which could be interpreted as the harvest having not begun, it seems, after comparisons with quote 2) (and many others), it could also be interpreted as:
"Ra: The harvesting is not yet" = "the harvest is not yet complete".
Combine that with the plethora of quotes listed in the first post, along with Q'uo's words, and the lack of data suggesting otherwise, the data is quite conclusive. In my opinion, of course :¬)
Some more examples (quotes show tense/process/completion):
Care to explain this?
Quote:14.14 Questioner: Would there be any value to the people of this planet now to complete this machine?
Ra: I am Ra. The harvest is now. (current; process) There is not at this time any reason to include efforts along these distortions toward longevity, but rather to encourage distortions toward seeking the heart of self, for this which resides clearly in the violet-ray energy field will determine the harvesting of each mind/body/spirit complex. (complete.)
In terms of completion:
Quote:Ra: I am Ra. This is correct if the harvesting is to be for the positive fourth dimensional level.
Quote:Ra. I am Ra... The ability to love, accept, and use a certain intensity of light thus creates the requirement for both positive and negative fourth to fifth harvesting (graduation).
Quote:Ra. I am Ra... Thus the harvest (process) is automatic in that those harvested will respond according to that which is unchangeable during harvest (process). That is the violet ray emanation. However, these helpers are around to ensure a proper harvesting (completion)so that each entity may have the fullest opportunity to express its violet ray selfhood.
Note how when harvesting is used, it's postfixed with process. This is not the case with the term 'harvest'
Quote:Ra. I am Ra... Thirdly, in the past approximate 200 of your years you have experienced much visiting of the Wanderers. It may be noted that all possible opportunities for incarnation are being taken at this time due to your harvesting process and the opportunities which this offers.
Quote:63.22 Questioner: I would assume that this population is from other planets since the harvesting (graduation/completion) has not yet occurred on this planet. It is from planets where the harvesting (graduation/completion) has already occurred. Is this correct?
Ra: I am Ra. This is correct.
To sum it all up in three concise quotes:
In this context, graduation == harvesting...
Quote:Ra: I am Ra. This is partially correct. In the graduation or harvesting to fourth-density positive
The harvest is ongoing still...
Quote:Ra: The harvesting is not yet, thus, estimation is meaningless.
Quote:Ra: I am Ra. The harvest is now.
This really, unless one does not trust Ra explicitly, should end all discussion on the subject. You either believe that Ra contradicts 'himself', which would put all of the Ra Material in question, or that the term harvesting can mean graduation. Which I might add, is used synonymously!
Peace and love :¬)