In regards to eating meat

[Monica]

1. Your average MD would never even see a textbook like this, as they have hardly any training in nutrition, whatsoever.

Very true. Most MDs have almost zero training in nutrition. Which is crazy. It's like a mechanic not knowing how to change the oil in a car. But then, medical schools are funded by the drug companies.

But there are mainstream dieticians, who have wildly differing views when compared to holistic practitioners. I'm assuming such a textbook is accepted by mainstream dieticians?

I think this is a really good textbook, though I guess I can't really expect anybody else to take my word for it.

I take your word for it. My point is just that the field of metabolism still has a lot of unanswered questions, and any textbook might not be up-to-date on all the clinical research.

And that's not even taking into consideration any possibility of mutation due to spiritual evolution.

Based on some responses to my posts, I can see that I haven't really much credibility on this forum.

I wouldn't say that. Personally, I respect your training and experience!

It might help to remember that this forum is populated by people who generally don't accept anyone as authorities on anything. Remember, most of us have shed the shackles of mainstream religion. Many have shed the shackles of mainstream medicine too.

NOT saying you're mainstream! I know you're an ND. I'm just suggesting that the lack of instant trust in your views based on your medical training not be construed as a lack of respect for you as a person or as a practitioner.

Remember, a highly credentialed RN/nutritionist is the one who got me addicted to excessive cleansing and drinking distilled water, which almost killed me!

To this day, since I encounter a lot of practitioners, I still come across highly credentialed people who recommend distilled water, as well as others who are horrified that anyone would still recommend it!

I meet highly credentialed practitioners who advocate heavy meat diets, while others advocate plant-based diets.

Even among the so-called 'experts' there is a wide variety of opinion about many aspects of health. Highly intelligent, highly trained people often disagree.

So please understand that it's nothing personally directed at you, if some members of this forum question some things that might seem 'fact' to you.

3. The argumentation offered above is different than simply alternative view. It would actually overturn everything we know about human physiology. The conclusions actually contradict the "scientific" premises upon which they are based. Not to mention that it is just not deductively sound. Even if the conclusions were true, the logical pathway they used to get there is fallacious in many respects. This isn't about me trying to defend the mainstream view this is about offering bunk arguments to counter the mainstream view. That's two different things.

I understand your point, and you might even be right in this particular case. I don't know enough about lipase to have an opinion.

I am curious, though, what you thought of Viktoras' views on enzymes? As I said, I haven't watched that particular lecture, but I have heard him lecture numerous times before, and as I recall, he did back up a lot of what he said with references to research.

Recently, one of the doctors (an ND) who bought a water machine from me, explained that when the body is too acidic, the areas of the body that are actually supposed to be acidic (stomach, vagina for example) have the reverse effect and are too alkaline. So those with acid reflux and poor digestion actually have stomachs that are too alkaline. When their body's overall pH is brought into a slightly alkaline balance, guess what, the stomach gets more acidic and, if female, the vagina gets more acidic.

I found this to explain my own experiences with improved digestion and relief from previously chronic female problems. And, incidentally, taking enzyme supplements had never really helped me in any way that I could tell. But now, if I take enzyme supplements, I end up burping them up and get a bit of acid reflux! I don't know quite what to make of that! but have concluded that maybe now my stomach acid is what it's supposed to be, and maybe I don't need them anymore...?

I think that, just as with nutrients from food vs artificial vitamin supplements, maybe there's a difference between enzyme supplements vs naturally occurring enzymes from living foods.

So what I do now is eat more raw, live foods. And if I do have a cooked meal, I try to always have a glass of veggie juice with it. So I'm getting the enzymes but in food form instead of supplement form.

4. The responsible thing for gurus and alternative practitioners to do would be to communicate with soft qualifiers... this may be the case... this possibly affects this... but we don't really know... and so on. I think the problem with this approach for certain people is they feel it doesn't pack enough "punch". So in their minds they would rather twist or dumb-down the truth so as to be more "impactful" i.e. attract more clients and increase their sales. Or they are just stuck in absolutist thinking themselves.

I agree with you here. We've all seen those books that say the cure for ALL disease is xyz...whether it's candida, parasites, removing dental fillings, abstaining from xyz food, or whatever. I find that oversimplistic. There is no one-size-fits-all in that sense.

6. I find the logic offered above similar to the notion that every disease is caused by "parasites" or "yeast". We actually have real tests to check for these things... not just muscle testing and other intuitive methods. I see people all the time whose natural practitioner or guru swore up and down they had parasites or yeast, when it turned out to be a bacterial issue. I have also actually found parasites when I didn't expect to find any at all. Now- I hardly blame the individual who accepts misdirection from a practitioner... but what does this say for the practitioner when they don't offer actual lab tests that can back up their diagnosis, when they exist and are available? I just see that as irresponsible.

I see your point here. I seem to remember hearing something about "mainstream lab tests don't show systemic candida infections" or something like that. Does the mainstream even recognize candida at all though? I thought they didn't...?

Hey speaking of parasites did you hear about that tapeworm therapy? I actually met a woman who paid $7k to have tapeworm eggs injected into her body! CREEPY!!!

7. Regarding colon hydrotherapy, my biggest concern is that is clears out the good stuff along with the bad.

Been there done that.

By good stuff I mean beneficial gut microbes. I observe many colon hydrotherapists don't even suggest a probiotic formula to their clients...??

You're kidding! How irresponsible is that!!!

Also, sorry but if somebody needs to get their colon blown out 2 - 3 times a week for a year, that tells me the treatment isn't working. Once every few months is a different thing.

Either that or the colon therapist is greedy and wants them coming back to pay more $$. That's what happened to me! As I was telling you, I was 21 and 97 lbs...and squeaky clean! But she kept telling me I was still 'toxic.' (Ugh but I'm not bitter! I HAVE forgiven her! I have! )

I think colon cleansing is a very valuable and important tool for someone transitioning from the SAD diet to a healthy diet. It can speed up the process of detox drastically.

But, a couple times a week for a few weeks maybe, in conjunction with juicing etc. After that, it shouldn't be needed anymore if the diet stays clean.

8. In my experience, I have found health to have much more to do with getting the right stuff in, rather than getting the wrong stuff out.

Oh I'd have to say, both are important. But if the person focuses on just getting the right stuff in, the bad stuff will eventually come out. It'll just take a lot longer. Rapid detox might make the difference between living or dying for some people, especially those with cancer. They might really need to detox fast.