11-26-2011, 03:10 PM
(This post was last modified: 11-26-2011, 04:55 PM by Tenet Nosce.)
(11-25-2011, 11:34 PM)apeiron Wrote: Then when the spirit complex potentiators play their act what is your reaction AT THE SPIRIT LEVEL? Not only at the mind level with its play of potential logic? But what is the "logic" of the spirit?
Yes, this is exactly why certain arguments fail.
First of all, you can't really make a rational/verbal argument for what is going on at the spirit level because the spirit level is beyond words.
Secondly, what some people fail to realize is that- YES- there are others in this thread who ARE considering this from a spiritual perspective, but aren't arriving at the same conclusion as you.
So the reaction is either "shock and amazement" or condescension. It is like when people say... "Well you know ONE DAY [when you are as old and wise as me] you will come to believe as I do." It is a bit derogatory.
Let me restate- in case you or others have missed it- that I actually agree that people will naturally eat less meat as certain changes continue to occur. I also agree that it is healthier to eat less meat. What I don't agree is with the assertion that not eating meat "makes one more spiritual". I don't agree that it is "wrong" for humans to eat meat because that would make the Creator wrong for creating the world this way.
I am also not sure that I agree that killing an animal for food somehow causes damage to its soul, or that its soul would even care one way or another. Even if an untimely death might have robbed a particular animal of a chance at individuation, I wouldn't anticipate that much time is necessary between incarnations. And besides it would give the animal soul a chance to choose a form which is more conducive to having success the next time around.
That being said, I fully concur that the industry practices around meat-eating are quite abhorrent and unnecessary. I am fully in support of practices which show a respect and appreciation for life, and I fully acknowledge the validity of the viewpoint of a person who raises their own animals, or who makes a special effort to purchase animal products from other people, rather than corporate giants.
We are in a 3D world where creatures eat other creatures for food. It is not wrong. It is so. In other densities- this is not the case. Well at least not in the flesh-and-blood way we think about it. Actually, in other densities the body is not so solid so entities are able to pass through one another without losing the connection between consciousness and form.
So why don't we focus on wrapping things up in this density rather than crucifying ourselves upon the Wheel of Karma in trying to make 3D into something it is not?
3D earth is not transitioning into 4D earth. It is not going to become 4D earth by the efforts of humans. 4D earth already exists. I would guess that- over there- they do not slaughter animals for food.
With respect to that, what would be the purpose of a 4D Wanderer to be here in 3D earth at this time/space nexus? Simply to teach vegetarianism? Or is there a Higher Purpose?
The Higher Purpose of Wanderers is to assist with the harvest. To discern who is ready to go from here to there and to help create a bridge between worlds. Vegetarianism is not a prerequisite for transport. It simply isn't. I'm sorry I can't say this in a way which respects "my truth" and "your truth". I didn't write the script.
apeiron Wrote:Once the mind aware of the situation at he spirit level what is the way?
Well, that is again kind of the point. If one were to take a survey of channeled sources, most of them (including Hatonn, Ra, and Q'uo) downplay the importance of abstaining from meat. So, I think it makes sense to assume that these attitudes are representative of how things are looked at from beyond the veil.
Secondary. A side issue. Not the point.
So for somebody to swoop in and declare "this is what the spirit says" then I say BS. I talk to my own spirit every day. This is what it has to say about food:
Continue to develop awareness of your cravings, and trust your body to communicate to you what it needs and when it needs it. That is all.
I mean no disrespect toward the spiritual paths of others, however to be frank- I would see those who conceptualize communication from spirit in terms of what is "right and wrong" or "allowed and disallowed" as being at a rather rudimentary stage. Spirit does not dictate rules by which everybody should live their life. That is the "old way" as represented by the false imposter Yahweh giving the Ten Commandments beginning with "Thou shalt not..."
Remember?