11-21-2011, 08:43 AM
(This post was last modified: 11-21-2011, 01:15 PM by Bring4th_Austin.)
(11-21-2011, 01:42 AM)Bring4th_Monica Wrote:(11-21-2011, 01:32 AM)abridgetoofar Wrote: To reiterate from a conversation from long ago, I also see the Ra material as obviously saying that an entity graduates 2D once the spark of self-awareness is obtained. The yellow-ray body is what makes this self-awareness possible.
By "once" do you mean in an instant? Then why are my dogs and cats still with me? They've been self-aware for many years.
After the incarnation in which they have reached that point.
We have a single example of an entity having the possibility of returning to 2D incarnation after the point had been reached, and that is to be with the persons who it shared love with. This can't be extended to animals who have not already been enspirited by love being shared.
Quote:As a second-density entity returns as third-density for the beginning of this process of learning, the entity is equipped with the lowest, if you will so call these vibrational distortions, forms of third-density consciousness; that is, equipped with self-consciousness.
The lowest form of self-awareness is held by a new 3rd density entity. Were there lower forms of self-awareness to be held by 2D entities, Ra would not call this the lowest. Ra also very clearly equates "third-density consciousness" with "self-consciousness."
Ra also describes what is required for self-awareness in 19.10:
Quote:In order to be capable of such, this chemical complex of body must be capable of abstract thought. Thus, the fundamental necessity is the combination of rational and intuitive thinking. This was transitory in the second-density forms operating largely upon intuition which proved through practice to yield results.This particular definition can be related to modern science's "secondary consciousness." There have been experiments developed to figure out whether or not a being has this sort of consciousness, such as awareness of self or the use of abstract though. The list of animals showing signs of either of these is short, though it does include dolphins.
Quote:Humans have a criteria for graduating to 4D: 51% STO as a minimum. Yet, many humans are well over that threshold, and are still here, shining their light. They didn't graduate instantly once the minimum threshold was reached.
We know that the harvests across different densities have different mechanics. It isn't appropriate to compare 2D harvest to 3D harvest, nor 3D harvest to 4D harvest. We know from the Gandalf escapade that once an animal leaves the incarnation in which it is enspirited, it graduates, unless it chooses to reincarnate to be with the ones by whom it was enspirited. I can't see how this situation would extend beyond pets.
In 19.3, Ra clearly equates "enspirited" with self-awareness, and transition from 2D to 3D with the "realization of self."
Quote:(11-21-2011, 01:32 AM)abridgetoofar Wrote: Animals may have different faculties of awareness and psychology that we can relate to, since we were once (or still are) animals. I believe it's this relation which causes a psychological turn from the killing of animals in a person. We can't relate to plants the way we can relate to animals. I whole-heartedly feel that this psychological association does not mean that it is more right, moral, or spiritually aware to kill a plant over an animal.
I would be interested in your answers to the many questions I've asked over the past weeks, if you care to address them.
Which questions in particular?
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