11-15-2011, 07:42 PM
(This post was last modified: 11-15-2011, 07:45 PM by turtledude23.)
(11-15-2011, 06:42 PM)Oceania Wrote: why is this bash Steve jobs thread? he was a human being. so what? was he supposed to be a saint? people love JFK and he was no saint. lots of our heroes were human. that'spart of the charm. as for materialistic gadgets, it wasn't that, he saw beauty in things, art. just cuz you can't see it doesn't mean it isn't there. he gave us quality that we actually can use. not gadgets. tools. he gave us tools. look at the iPad. that's the new direction. and he saw it years ago. he was a visionary. and NOT STS. who are you to decide what he was? jeeze. talk about high horses.
You seem to be personally affected by people sharing their opinions on a public figure. This is a thread about steve jobs, if some people bash him and other people defend him that doesn't mean it becomes a thread about either but about both.
You're defending him because he told his employees to make an computer with a touchscreen, I'm attacking him because he was mean to his employees and restricted what other innovators can do (e.g. iOS app developers, people who want to modify their macs, etc.). Maybe he was a visionary, but if his vision includes holding back other visionaries then what?
I wouldn't say he was significantly STS but I would definitely say he was more STS than the average person and I certainly do not look up to him as a human being, at most I respect him for being a good business person and marketer.
Let's not forget we're talking about a narrow definition of innovation here. We can all relate to the concept of making a phone prettier or adding a touchscreen to a computer because its simple and any one of us could have come up with it. Imagine how much creativity it takes to design an improved microprocessor. Do you know that microprocessors get twice as powerful every two years? Making the hardware that makes pretty phones possible takes alot of creativity and vision too, especially when you're expected to release an improved product every two years. Talk about pressure and vision.
(11-15-2011, 06:39 PM)UnifyingFactor Wrote: I like the internet too, but this summer I lived on an Ashram/Organic Farm for 3 months and I realized that I had no use for the internet anymore. That is until I came back to Toronto...
+ :idea:
I live in Toronto!