In regards to eating meat

[3DMonkey]

It is possible to love somebody but not love their ways.

I disagree. People are their ways. Either I accept what they do or I don't.

"I love him, but I hate what he does". No, you don't love him. You are being dishonest with yourself.

That is my opinion.

Then how do you decide how to act yourself?

And no one ever said hate. You can disagree with an action and not hate it.

I disagree with torture. I disagree that torture should be allowed. I do not hate the people that torture others. I love them but feel their actions should not be allowed because of its effects on society and others.

I think, perhaps, it is something you just simply do not understand. I am not being dishonest with myself when I say that I love the one who tortures. I see myself in them, them in myself, but I do not agree that those actions which we are both capable of should be carried out. There is no dishonesty.

Lol. Did you just say "disagree" = "not love"? I said "hate" because that is my equivalent to "not love".

So, I'm "not loving" you right now? Because I do disagree.

I think if you feel that someone shouldn't be allowed to do something then you don't love them. They are the doer of what you disapprove of.

I would not choose to torture. If I saw someone being tortured, I would defend them. In all this doing, I do not love the torturer. That sounds ridiculous. I hate the bastard with my whole being (ask Norral about this ).

Now, taking it back to topic. If I put a mandate on meat eaters that I do not like the choices they make, I do not love them. No, I expect them to change and get on board MY ship before I love them. Because they eat animals....

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to respond to Monica's breezy assurance that "someone might have said something like that months ago, before you were even here," which I thought smacked a lot of the kind of faked political correctness that unity100 was recently complaining about.

Oh wow. I just now noticed the word faked.

It's not fake. Believe it or not, I truly do care about being careful to not hurt anyone's feelings. But it's rather difficult, to have a strong conviction about something that others disagree with. Vegetarians don't even have to say anything, and they get accused of being 'judgmental' when the meat-eaters take offense and get defensive.

I apologize if I inadvertently offended anyone. But I won't apologize for my convictions.

I would guess that meat eaters are offended because they wouldn't say "you shouldn't "not eat meat". Which seems to be the premise when vegetarians say "you don't need to eat meat!"