(10-21-2011, 03:46 PM)JustLikeYou Wrote:But what is the point that a human being can pick up truth regardless of intent? As if there was another way that you are attempting to distinguish?zenmaster Wrote:Do you not see that I am not dismissing a narrative that serves as some allegory to some which may seem insightful? I know that different people have different moral compasses. Do you not see that I could care less if someone can find value and intuitive resonation with themes in it? That is utterly irrelevant to the situation of one that falsely depicts actual occurrences for the purpose of motivating thought and action towards a desired end. Actually those justifications serving to support such behavior are also consequentialist. So you provide the moral support and encouragement thereby. The marriage
Frankly, I am beginning to wonder whether I have any idea what exactly your critique is.
Information impacts my senses. I determine the value of that information based on all the information I have on hand filtered through two things: the logical system I use, plus my own inner resonance. The resonance tells me what the intent of the message is, my categories tell me how precise and coherent the message is. These are the effective truth filters than any human being has.
If you take issue with your assumption that the story is a lie (and I don't think it necessarily is), then this is my response: You also do not seem to appreciate the capacity that a human being has for picking up truth regardless of the intent of the writer. I have gleaned truths from HH's thread which HH did not even speak or suggest. I don't give a rat's a$$ if he is lying about everything. I found truth and I can demonstrate the usefulness of the concepts I have found if you should so ask. You can learn something important from everything that meets your awareness.
That fact that people continue to learn is beside the point. I thought I made that clear. It has nothing to do with what someone may or may not 'get out of it'.
(10-21-2011, 07:09 AM)3DMonkey Wrote: Yeah. I call it humanity. No matter what "level" one resides, this dynamic remains.A dynamic remains, certainly. But like everything else, dynamics evolve as distortions are removed.
So saying "this" dynamic remains is like continuing to point out that the earth orbits around the sun when the subject matter is that the sun orbits the galactic core. It's not disagreeable because it is valid in its own scope. The difficulty is getting past that restricted scope, and not placing needless limitations on ever evolving m/b/s dynamics.
As with always being able to make out figures in what any cloud formation suggests, we can always pick two polarities from which to depict opposites, and then proclaim "this dynamic remains". I do think it's funny because there is a dynamic - a valuing meme - that gives rise to that dynamic. At each subdensity we tend to think we've found 'it' (the meta-dynamic or whatever). You'd think we'd learn something by now.